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Originally posted by jod23
Wrestling wouldnt be what it is today without Hulk Hogan.
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Substitute the words "Hulk Hogan" for "Vince McMahon" and that statement is true.

Do you honestly think that if Vince hadn't taken the WWF national and made it accessible entertainment for the geneal public that Hogan would have been big? If the WWF remained a regional company in the North-East of America (as it was in the early 80's) then Hogan would be no more than a big wreslter in a small promotion.

Hogan was the company's bigest star, but if it wasn't for the business people that took the WWF national, Hogan would be nothing.

Originally posted by jod23
The man almost single handedly turned wrestling into one of the most exciting sports in the world.
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Wrong. Vince McMahon was the one who did that. Hogan was simply the company's biggest star, during the time that the WWF became a well known company. Hogan didn't make it exciting himself. He had a lot of help from the script-writers who made him a superhero, and Vince McMahon who took the company national.

Also, if you watch Hogan'e matches, his opponents (most of whom were better at technical wresling) carried the matches. Hogan was the biggest star, but he was so famous because he happened to be the biggest star during a period where the WWF changed into a national company.

The creative team behind the WWF, and the storylines and culture they instill in the company and it's wrestlers will always be the main reason behind the success of the company. Wrestlers need to have talent, but once the wreslters are with the company, it's what the creative teams does with them that is the important thing.

Originally posted by jod23
Hulk Hogan is bigger tahn wrestling, he always was and always will be.
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What???? Bigger than wreslting? Hahaha. Ummmm, I don't think so Jod. :o If he was bigger than wreslting, please tell me why the WWF made more money, achived highet PPV buy rates, and sold more merchandise in the late 90's without him? Hogan had been gone from the WWF for 8 years and the WWF was fine without him.

I'm not disputing he was a big star. He was the biggest at the time. But the WWF became huge in the late 90's because the creative team instilled the new "Attitude" culture in it's company. Gone were the cartoonish 80's charcaters like Hulk Hogan, and in came characters with more depth. We now see bad guy vs bad guy matches, more complicated stoylines, and more interesting characters. The WWF moved with the times, as did Hogan himself when he became bad guy for WCW.

If Hogan was bigger than wrestling, then why did the WWF outrate WCW a few years ago, when Hogan was with WCW? If Hogan was bigger than wrestling wouldn't everyone be watching him? The WWF outrated WCW because they moved with the tiems, instilled a new "Attitude" philosophy, and made the wreslters adhere to this new philosophy.

Hogan was never as big with WCW as he was with the WWF, because the WWF knew how to use him better.
 
Originally posted by Dan26


Substitute the words "Hulk Hogan" for "Vince McMahon" and that statement is true.

Do you honestly think that if Vince hadn't taken the WWF national and made it accessible entertainment for the geneal public that Hogan would have been big? If the WWF remained a regional company in the North-East of America (as it was in the early 80's) then Hogan would be no more than a big wreslter in a small promotion.

Hogan was the company's bigest star, but if it wasn't for the business people that took the WWF national, Hogan would be nothing.



Wrong. Vince McMahon was the one who did that. Hogan was simply the company's biggest star, during the time that the WWF became a well known company. Hogan didn't make it exciting himself. He had a lot of help from the script-writers who made him a superhero, and Vince McMahon who took the company national.

Also, if you watch Hogan'e matches, his opponents (most of whom were better at technical wresling) carried the matches. Hogan was the biggest star, but he was so famous because he happened to be the biggest star during a period where the WWF changed into a national company.

The creative team behind the WWF, and the storylines and culture they instill in the company and it's wrestlers will always be the main reason behind the success of the company. Wrestlers need to have talent, but once the wreslters are with the company, it's what the creative teams does with them that is the important thing.



What???? Bigger than wreslting? Hahaha. Ummmm, I don't think so Jod. :o If he was bigger than wreslting, please tell me why the WWF made more money, achived highet PPV buy rates, and sold more merchandise in the late 90's without him? Hogan had been gone from the WWF for 8 years and the WWF was fine without him.

I'm not disputing he was a big star. He was the biggest at the time. But the WWF became huge in the late 90's because the creative team instilled the new "Attitude" culture in it's company. Gone were the cartoonish 80's charcaters like Hulk Hogan, and in came characters with more depth. We now see bad guy vs bad guy matches, more complicated stoylines, and more interesting characters. The WWF moved with the times, as did Hogan himself when he became bad guy for WCW.

If Hogan was bigger than wrestling, then why did the WWF outrate WCW a few years ago, when Hogan was with WCW? If Hogan was bigger than wrestling wouldn't everyone be watching him? The WWF outrated WCW because they moved with the tiems, instilled a new "Attitude" philosophy, and made the wreslters adhere to this new philosophy.

Hogan was never as big with WCW as he was with the WWF, because the WWF knew how to use him better.
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Blah blah blah blah.....so lets give all the credit to McMahon and claim that Hogan did nothing.....CRAP! Yeah the storylines were good but you needed someone like Hogan to carry it out. Its obvious how great he was because of the fact that he actually couldnt wrestle....he could do body slams, clotheslines and his patent leg drop. He isnt a very good wrestler but nobody cares. Its him we want to see, his flair, his personality, his amazing fightbacks from the brink of defeat. He is the best.

Dan, you have it all backwards...the storylines today are F*CKING SH*T!!! I hate wrestling today. Weddings and car accidents and crap on and crap on.....its more like Days of our Lives than actual wrestling. Plus the characters in todays game are boring. The only guy in the WWF with any sort of personality is the Rock. The Undertaker, Stone Cold, Rob Van Damm, Kurt Angle, Triple HHH.......there all bloody boring.

Nothing like the characters of the early 90's....Bret Hart, Ravishing Rick Rude, Ultimate Warrior, Andre the Giant, Million Dollar Man, Demolition, Earthquake, Macho Man, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Koko B Ware, The Rockers, Hulk Hogan, Jake the Snake.....these guys were entertaining.

Wrestling today is boring. Wrestling was the best when Hulk Hogan and Hulkamania was at its peak....and as much as the writers or McMahon did it was still the Hulkster that carried the weight. He is the greatest wrestler of all time....no question.
 
Geez I'm probably going to get some "heat" for this and be a "heel" with some of you guys but I feel sad for you. I loved the days when I could watch the wrestling and enjoy what was on the screen, which I still do. There are some great matches, some funny bastards and some great interviews. As there was in the 80's, who cares if Hogan couldn't wrestle that well, I am fairly sure that you would watch him in every match he had in the 80's and early 90's. We all knew that he couldn't wrestle but I loved it when he was down and out and then hulk up, big boot and then leg drop and get me drunk at parties and I'll still do the Hogan post match posedown.
I, like everyone, reads the Wrestling sites etc but it doesn't dictate what I watch or think.
Don't you wish you could enjoy the wrestling, which let's face it is what it is for, for entertainment. It seems many of you are so jaded and caught up in the backstage rubbish that doesn't really concern any of us and are missing the point of the sport, to be entertained. Who cares if HOgan wouldn't "job" to Kidman, they wrestled and I enjoyed the match because it meant I was watching the wrestling that night, which I love doing. Sure there are matches that are not as good as others but who cares I love all wrestling because it's wrestling.
I'll get a heap of abuse from those of you who know all the terms and all the backstage gossip but couldn't give a rats, I just wonder if you enjoy wrestling at all. I"m not looking for trouble but seems to me that going back to a childhood state and remembering when you used to just love watch the wrestling, I'm still like that, just love watching it, if it's Hogan beating Kidman or Rock vs Austin or STeamboat vs Savage, it's all wrestling and I love it.
 
Originally posted by jod23



Blah blah blah blah.....so lets give all the credit to McMahon and claim that Hogan did nothing.....CRAP! Yeah the storylines were good but you needed someone like Hogan to carry it out. Its obvious how great he was because of the fact that he actually couldnt wrestle....he could do body slams, clotheslines and his patent leg drop. He isnt a very good wrestler but nobody cares. Its him we want to see, his flair, his personality, his amazing fightbacks from the brink of defeat. He is the best.

Dan, you have it all backwards...the storylines today are F*CKING SH*T!!! I hate wrestling today. Weddings and car accidents and crap on and crap on.....its more like Days of our Lives than actual wrestling. Plus the characters in todays game are boring. The only guy in the WWF with any sort of personality is the Rock. The Undertaker, Stone Cold, Rob Van Damm, Kurt Angle, Triple HHH.......there all bloody boring.

Nothing like the characters of the early 90's....Bret Hart, Ravishing Rick Rude, Ultimate Warrior, Andre the Giant, Million Dollar Man, Demolition, Earthquake, Macho Man, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Koko B Ware, The Rockers, Hulk Hogan, Jake the Snake.....these guys were entertaining.

Wrestling today is boring. Wrestling was the best when Hulk Hogan and Hulkamania was at its peak....and as much as the writers or McMahon did it was still the Hulkster that carried the weight. He is the greatest wrestler of all time....no question.
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Jod,

I take on board what you say, but you didn't answer my questions:

A.) If Hogan was bigger than wrestling, then why did the WWF outrate WCW a few years ago, when Hogan was with WCW? If Hogan was bigger than wrestling wouldn't everyone be watching him? How come they were weren't watching him?

B.) If Hogan was bigger than Wrestling, how come another wrestler (Stone Cold) sold more merchandise?

Also, whether or not YOU like the current storylines is beside the point. Most other people do, which is why the WWF do it that way. They survey fans, find out what they want, and give it to them. They move with the times. What you think is irrelavant, because it is what the MAJORITY wants that the WWF will cater for - not what you want.

I am not disagreeing that Hogan was a big star. But at the time he didn't have a lot of main event competition. He was the biggest star at the time the WWF went national, which increased his exposure. All those "fight backs from the dead" that Hogan did in his matches were storylines he was asked to do by Vince.

I understand how you feel. You think Hogan is the Michael Jordan of westling. I know how you feel about MJ and I agree wholeheartedly, and I reckon I can read your mind on that (tell me if I read it wrong.) But Hogan is no Jordan.
 

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Originally posted by Dan26


Jod,

I take on board what you say, but you didn't answer my questions:

A.) If Hogan was bigger than wrestling, then why did the WWF outrate WCW a few years ago, when Hogan was with WCW? If Hogan was bigger than wrestling wouldn't everyone be watching him? How come they were weren't watching him?

B.) If Hogan was bigger than Wrestling, how come another wrestler (Stone Cold) sold more merchandise?

Also, whether or not YOU like the current storylines is beside the point. Most other people do, which is why the WWF do it that way. They survey fans, find out what they want, and give it to them. They move with the times. What you think is irrelavant, because it is what the MAJORITY wants that the WWF will cater for - not what you want.

I am not disagreeing that Hogan was a big star. But at the time he didn't have a lot of main event competition. He was the biggest star at the time the WWF went national, which increased his exposure. All those "fight backs from the dead" that Hogan did in his matches were storylines he was asked to do by Vince.

I understand how you feel. You think Hogan is the Michael Jordan of westling. I know how you feel about MJ and I agree wholeheartedly, and I reckon I can read your mind on that (tell me if I read it wrong.) But Hogan is no Jordan.
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Answer to A.....Hulk Hogan is a big drawcard but he cant carry the WCW. The WWF had all the stars and them combined outrated Hogan and the WCW.

Answer to B....Wrestling is a lot bigger than it was when Hogan was leading the charge, more ppl watching, more ppl buying merchandise.

Do either of these make Hogan less of a hero or the greatest wrestler of all time... no.

To be honest Dan....i just cant stand todays wrestling, well if you call what they do wrestling. Its more like Days of our lives. I agree with WKB, i just love wrestling and in todays game there isnt actually much wrestling. Oh and Hulk Hogan is the MJ of wrestling. Name a wrestler thats bigger than Hulk Hogan???
 
Originally posted by jod23

Name a wrestler thats bigger than Hulk Hogan???
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The Rock, as much as I hate him, is bigger than Hogan

And if you are one of these "old" fans that just likes the wrestling part of it, how can you say Hogan was the best?? He can't wrestle for ****. His finisher is a leg drop!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by McCartney5


Wrong! :D

You are entitled to your ridiculous opinion though
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nah the thing is that you are the wrong one, you are just in denial ! HULK RULES

End of story
Anyone who prefers stacy over torrie wilson has no idea !
 
Originally posted by jod23
Answer to A.....Hulk Hogan is a big drawcard but he cant carry the WCW. The WWF had all the stars and them combined outrated Hogan and the WCW.
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I thought you said Hogan was bigger than wrestling? Obviously, you didn't mean what you said.

Originally posted by jod23
Answer to B....Wrestling is a lot bigger than it was when Hogan was leading the charge, more ppl watching, more ppl buying merchandise.
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Exactly. Wrestling is bigger. It is bigger because the product is better. The stars today are more well-known than the stars of the 80's. We reminisce about the 80's in a romantic sense, so we think those stars were bigger. But, 20 years from now, we will reminisce about today's stars and feel the same way about them. The difference is that today's stars are bigger, because wrestling is bigger.

Originally posted by jod23
To be honest Dan....i just cant stand todays wrestling, well if you call what they do wrestling. Its more like Days of our lives.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but one of your criticisms was the WWF's tendency to do things like "weddings" nowadays. Back in the 80's I recall a wedding between the Macho Man and Elizabeth. Did you complain about that? The storylines back then followed the same principles as today's storlyines, but todays stories have more depth.

I remember back in 1987, the weekly wrestling show Superstars featured 6 matches per week, with every one consisting of a big name star versus a jobber. The jobber was just some dude no one knew, who was there to lose so that the well-known wrestler could win. It was so predictable. We never even saw Hogan until pay-per-views.

These days we have two pay-per-view calibre shows every week (Raw and Smackdown!), and we have the best guys going up against the best guys all the time. It is so much better than how it used to be. The results are always unpredictable, Jod. No one knows what is going to hapen or who is going to win in the WWF these days. This makes it far better to watch, unless you yearn for the days of predtictable results.

Originally posted by jod23
Name a wrestler that's bigger than Hulk Hogan
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Stone Cold Steve Austin. At his peak in 1998-00, Austin was massive. He was huge. The merchanside he sold, and the roar he drew from the crowd was AS big as any roar any other wreslter has been able to achieve. He was even listed in a WWF poll as the WWF's biggest ever star.

Hogan made a successful comeback to the WWF on Raw this week. His presence was superceded by the Rock who came out to challenge Hogan. The fans were excited to see Hogan, but the Rock chants were the chats filled the building.

Hogan just did an interview for wwf.com and he stated that the reason he was so big in the 80's was that there were no other good-guy main-eventers to challenge him. Here is what he said. Jod:

"....The bottom line is, in the 80's we didn’t have Stone Cold Steve Austin. We didn’t have Hunter. We didn’t have the Undertaker. We didn’t have The Rock. We had Hulk Hogan. We had the Ultimate Warrior, but then he disappeared after a few months. He’d come back, and then he’d disappear. So basically – I’m not saying the show was all me – but if Hulk Hogan was there, it made a difference...."

What Hogan is basically saying is that he was the only big star. These days it is shared between 6 or 7 wrestlers. If the Rock was doing what he does now back in the 80's and there was no Hulk Hogan, the Rock would have been the biggest star.

Hogan might have been the biggest star when YOU enjoyed the wreslting, Jod. But the WWF's most successful, most popular and most marketable superstar (and I believe those are the qualities that make someone the best ever) of all time is Stone Cold Steve Austin.

In other words, Hogan was the biggest star of the 80s; Austin was the biggest star of the 90's. When you combine the two, Austin is the bigger star. He has proved to be the WWF's most successful, most popular and most marketable superstar.
 
Im sorry Dan...ive exhausted all i can say in this topic. You are deluded......Hulk Hogan is the biggest star that wrestling has ever produced. Simple as that.

Oh just one thing. In the 80's and early 90's Hogan wasnt the only star. Andre the Giant, Jake the Snake, Macho Man Randy Savage, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Rowdy Roddy Piper, The Ultimate Warrior. Yeah the only star my ass.
 
Oh and just on Stone Cold....he was big for a couple of years and thats it. Now he is just another wrestler in the lineup. Hogan was HUGE for like a decade!! You cant beat Hulk Hogan.
 
Originally posted by jod23
Im sorry Dan...ive exhausted all i can say in this topic. You are deluded......Hulk Hogan is the biggest star that wrestling has ever produced. Simple as that.
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Except for Stone Cold, who made more ojey from his popularity, sold more t-Shirts, and established himself as the WWF's biggest ever star. I get the feeling Jod, you don't "want" to believe anyone other than Hogan was the biggest.

In response toy your comment about Stone Cold, he wasn't just big for a couple of years. His run began in '97 and is still going 5 and a half years later. Hogan was the biggest star of the 80's when you were growing up, which explains why you feel the way you do. I've watched wrestling non-stop for 16 years now, and I can tell you that Stone Cold is the WWF's most popular superstar in their history. Just because you don't like the WWF's new "style" doesn't magically mean that Austin isn't the biggest.

Originally posted by jod23
Oh just one thing. In the 80's and early 90's Hogan wasnt the only star. Andre the Giant, Jake the Snake, Macho Man Randy Savage, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Rowdy Roddy Piper, The Ultimate Warrior. Yeah the only star my ass.
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Andre couldn't wresltle, had a disease (gigantism) which meant he could never be given the title, because he couldn't appear at enough events. He was big, but he was never healthy enough. He was not a threat to Hogan for that reason.

Jakes the Snake, Piper, and Dibiase, were mid-high card wrestlers. Most of the time they were at the intercontinental title level sometimes pushing up to main event status. Dibiase had a brief time at main-event level in 1988 before slumping down to the tag team division. Jake the Snake was mid-card for his whole career. Randy Savage was the big threat to Hogan, and he won the title a few times over his era.

As Hogan said on WWF.com, the Ultimate Warrior, was unreliable and he often didn't turn up to events. He was only around for a short time anwyay. There was no long term good guys at main event level to challenge Hogan. There was no Austin, Rock, HHH, Shawn Michaels etc etc. the WWF didn't have anyone like that.
 

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Originally posted by Dan26


Andre couldn't wresltle, had a disease (gigantism) which meant he could never be given the title, because he couldn't appear at enough events. He was big, but he was never healthy enough. He was not a threat to Hogan for that reason.
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Got to pull you up there Daniel.

Andre by the Eighties had already been wrestling for nigh on fifteen years from the mid-sixties. During that time he had literally wrestled thousands of matches all over the world. His health was never a problem for making appearances night after night, year in, year out.

By the time they were actually looking to set him up as a heel it was different. Then he was beginning a rapid health descent, a descent that eventually led to his early death.

But to say he was never healthy enough to wrestle alot of events isnt correct.
 
Spot on Grendel. Andre was a more than decent wrestler in the 70s. According to Powerslam magazine, he had a reputation for being very easy to work with, could do athletic moves (including dropkicks!!) and was a good worker by the standards of the time.

Unfortunately, the Andre most of us saw was the old Andre, whose acromegaly (the disease from which Andre suffered-basically an over abundance of growth hormone) worsened with time and his performance suffered.

Grendel, you are a lucky man to have seen the late, great Andre the Giant live in his prime.
 

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Originally posted by McCartney5


He was a legend

He is now a joke
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once your a legend you are always a legend, you cant just no longer be a legend. He is a legend regardless of the garbage you spout out.
The only joke around here is you and your weird beliefs
 
Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
Excuse me, but don't besmirch a great wrestler's tag-line by attributing it to that travesty Hogan thankyou.

Long live The Hitman - the best there ever was, is or will be.
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:D

Nah second best Benoit at his best was better than the Hitman at his best.

Am a little biased seeing my anme and all:D, but really believe Benoit to be slightly the better of the two.

Hopefully (if he ever gets back from injury:( )
I will be proven correct
 

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