Is Vernon Philander the next big thing?

[Hellgood]

Who gives a **** if he is outbowling Steyn? Along with Morkel they are all on the same team and form the best bowling attack in the world. It's great to watch.

Love watching Philander bowl and seeing his average still coming down with each wicket, averages 13 or something after 45 test wickets is just amazing. Doesn't have extreme pace, but has the ball on a string, puts it where he wants and it can go either way. Would be a nightmare to face. And even if you do survive him somehow, you get 150kmh swing bowling coming from Steyn and 140kmh bouncers from Morkel. How South Africa can't win enough games to take the number one ranking is beyond me.

 

[Bucking Beads]

How South Africa can't win enough games to take the number one ranking is beyond me.

It is called the choke.

 

[R00StaR]

Who gives a **** if he is outbowling Steyn? Along with Morkel they are all on the same team and form the best bowling attack in the world. It's great to watch.

Love watching Philander bowl and seeing his average still coming down with each wicket, averages 13 or something after 45 test wickets is just amazing. Doesn't have extreme pace, but has the ball on a string, puts it where he wants and it can go either way. Would be a nightmare to face. And even if you do survive him somehow, you get 150kmh swing bowling coming from Steyn and 140kmh bouncers from Morkel. How South Africa can't win enough games to take the number one ranking is beyond me.

As another poster mentioned, add in that batting line up and its a phenomenal team. Hopefully our line up of young quicks can become as good, our batting is still a little brittle still but has improved of late.

Cummins reminds me a bit of Steyn, nice smooth balanced approach with good control.

Starc: 140k bouncers from height out of the left hand.

Pato: 140k+ solid, aggressive workhorse type.

Plus plenty more that could make it like the saffers list.

 

[Krooooze]

Philander has certainly impressed me, he just bowls stump to stump and has a lot of ability in terms of getting the ball to move off the seam. Look forward to seeing him bowl in England in a few months.

 

[The Speaker]

Clearly out bowling Steyn. Has Steyn taken as many wickets as Philander of late??

Steyn has not taken a 5fa with Philander in the team.

 

[Radical Roo]

Australia will really need to nurture Pattinson and Cummings properly not leaving it up to them. Lemme put this down for ya, these two are the next Ambrose Walsh partnership where Steyn and Philander is the Donald Pollock of SA.

 

[Simple Jack]

If we're talking in footy terms, SA have the best 'list' in world cricket by a street.

If they hardened up even slightly they'd dominate.

 

[Bucking Beads]

If we're talking in footy terms, SA have the best 'list' in world cricket by a street.

If they hardened up even slightly they'd dominate.

Imagine if they had the South Africans playing for England

 

[Doodlesweaver]

As another poster mentioned, add in that batting line up and its a phenomenal team. Hopefully our line up of young quicks can become as good, our batting is still a little brittle still but has improved of late.

Cummins reminds me a bit of Steyn, nice smooth balanced approach with good control.

Starc: 140k bouncers from height out of the left hand.

Pato: 140k+ solid, aggressive workhorse type.

Plus plenty more that could make it like the saffers list.

I don't think he's got a smooth action. His delivery action puts so much pressure on his body. He unfortunately reminds me more of Shane Bond.

 

[Ill Chicken]

It is called the choke.

Ha. No it's called a corrupt ICC and a terrible ranking system. The more matches you play, the more points you get.

 

[Ill Chicken]

I don't think he's got a smooth action. His delivery action puts so much pressure on his body. He unfortunately reminds me more of Shane Bond.

They'll probably have a similar test career as well.

Philander is genius.

 

[Belnakor]

If we're talking in footy terms, SA have the best 'list' in world cricket by a street.

If they hardened up even slightly they'd dominate.

their batting is the weakness. Smith is the weak link, poor record vs the top flight teams. The top order are good but have weaknesses.

 

[frankrizzo]

Ha. No it's called a corrupt ICC and a terrible ranking system. The more matches you play, the more points you get.

not sure about that, after south africa got their big breakthrough win against australia in late 2008 they basically couldn't win a series vs a top 4 or even top 6 team.

From jan 2009 through december 2011 south africa recorded 1 test series win..against the 8th ranked west indies.

Since that 08 win south africa played pakistan, played Australia twice, played india twice and england and didn't win a single series.

It would be strange if a team with 1 test series win in three years was the top ranked side.

 

[Ill Chicken]

not sure about that, after south africa got their big breakthrough win against australia in late 2008 they basically couldn't win a series vs a top 4 or even top 6 team.

From jan 2009 through december 2011 south africa recorded 1 test series win..against the 8th ranked west indies.

Since that 08 win south africa played pakistan, played Australia twice, played india twice and england and didn't win a single series.

It would be strange if a team with 1 test series win in three years was the top ranked side.

And how does that not reflect the more matches you play, the more points you get?

Series test totals played since 2009;

India 35
Australia 36
England 39
South Africa 24

 

[4evablues]

Philander has certainly impressed me, he just bowls stump to stump and has a lot of ability in terms of getting the ball to move off the seam. Look forward to seeing him bowl in England in a few months.

Yeah, you are so right. The seam is impressive and he should have a field day in England.

His figures are outstanding but I believe it's a reflection on how the Saffas bowl as a unit. He just gets the results with the wickets next to his name.

 

[Belnakor]

Bit like Patterson, he has profited by a unit that works as a team.

 

[frankrizzo]

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[damochandler]

i reckon he is right now the best bowler in the world. i reckon he's going to dominate in england in a few months

 

[Slax]

Vernon Philander IS the next big thing

 

[Ill Chicken]

i reckon he is right now the best bowler in the world. i reckon he's going to dominate in england in a few months

Haha. I'm a massive fan of Philander but he isn't the best bowler in the world. Steyn and Anderson are still way ahead, give Philander another ten tests to prove that he is. A bloke scores 4 hundreds in 6 tests and no one is going to run around saying he is the best batsman in the world, for example Michael Hussey 3 tons in five tests in 2005.

 

[Radical Roo]

Andersen is the one swing bowler that is the danger man for SA but as far as broad and tremlett goes, their attitude isn't fully backed up by their skills. Both broad and tremlett are fast medium at best, their pace isn't going to hurry up the sa batsmen as the sa to the english. If SA plays 4 seam attack; steyn fills the swing role, philander fills the tight line and length role and morkel + de lange fill in the aggressor (bouncer) role.

England's major weapon are anderson and swann. Broad and tremlett must fill the holding role.

 

[ajdude]

Tremlett's gonna be out for a while tbh, it's more Bresnan or Panesar, and Panesar's on his way to surpassing Swann as their number one spinner, Swann hasn't looked right in recent times

Well done to Philander, 51 wickets in 7 tests (with another innings to possibly come), nuts

 

[Heater39]

Ha. No it's called a corrupt ICC and a terrible ranking system. The more matches you play, the more points you get.

Yeah, but your ranking is based on your average points per match.

E.g. SA are currently behind India, Australia, Pakistan and Sri Lanka on total points but are ranked ahead of all these sides owing to their superior average points per match.

 

[Pera]

Will run an absolute muck in England.

 

[Dipper]

Andersen is the one swing bowler that is the danger man for SA but as far as broad and tremlett goes, their attitude isn't fully backed up by their skills. Both broad and tremlett are fast medium at best, their pace isn't going to hurry up the sa batsmen as the sa to the english. If SA plays 4 seam attack; steyn fills the swing role, philander fills the tight line and length role and morkel + de lange fill in the aggressor (bouncer) role.

England's major weapon are anderson and swann. Broad and tremlett must fill the holding role.

The thing with Broad is after years of underperformance he got his game together a year ago and has been in pretty much every Test that he has played, so I think you're beign overly dismissive of him.

Tremlett is injured but he's stood up in the last year and half and averages around mid 20s.

Then you've got Finn who's improved out of sight and Bresnan who has a great record.

Pretty even for me.