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Stax on the mill said:
Has been a very good test batsman for an extended period of time. However I strongly disagree that he comfortably ranks alongside Greg Chappell, Hayden, Hussey and maybe even Langer. Definitely not up their levels.
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Exactly. He ranks with the Chris Rogers, Simon Katich types
 

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PhatBoy said:
Yeah that’s a bit forced
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Usman >Boon

Was tempted to leave it at just that, but that would've been mean to suck you in 🤣

But in reply to your earlier post that was wiped, i agree it's difficult to compare players of different generations – but I still feel that's what stats are for. I mean you say Usman Khawaja didn't come across bowlers of the same calibre as Boon (namely the Windies quicks), but did neither did Bradman if you think about it. Yet no one still came remotely close to averaging 99.94 – so of course you can't discredit the runs he made. So my point is you can only do as well as what's before you – and in light of that I'd say you could argue his career was as successful as the players i mentioned earlier: Mark Taylor, Langer, Mark Waugh – and yes, the great David Boon.
 
Was being a little precious

Had a good career though

Ussie when you're not making runs you get criticism - that's the nature of cricket when you're out of form at ANY AGE and whatever your role is in the team - you didn't do yourself any favours golfing etc.

Good luck - i'm sure the sports media and broadcasters will find a spot for you.
 
brutus76 said:
Was being a little precious

Had a good career though

Ussie when you're not making runs you get criticism - that's the nature of cricket when you're out of form at ANY AGE and whatever your role is in the team - you didn't do yourself any favours golfing etc.

Good luck - i'm sure the sports media and broadcasters will find a spot for you.
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Played 88 tests and still said what he said today.

I've seen plenty of players been treated worse overall and in terms of selection.

He should have thanked his teammates for wrapping up the series in 3 tests and ensuring he got a farewell test.
 
Definitely the right call. Think if the India tour was this year he would have tried to get a few more months out of himself but think the next tours are too far away and the downward trajectory has been fairly steep. Good on him for being able to announce it on his own terms, by getting back in the team after losing his spot this series but mainly by working his way back after it looked like career over in 2019

Funny sort of career, ended up being in two equal parts. First part of his career he was often dominant at home and struggled away, always ended up getting dropped whenever we played in Asia. Second part of his career he was our best overseas batsman and did very well in Asia, and ended up being vulnerable at home or against quality pace bowling in his last couple of years

First part of his career

44 Tests, 2887 runs, 40.66 average, 8 hundreds, 14 fifties

Second part of his career

43 Tests, 3319 runs, 46.09 average, 8 hundreds, 14 fifties

I had written him off after he got dropped in 2019. If he had have finished with just 44 Tests and less than 3000 runs it would have been a bit of disappointing career for the talent he had. Fantastic for him to get back and then dominate in 2022 and 2023 like he was able to. 6000 runs is the type of career I envisioned when he came onto the scene
 
I remember when he was in his early days, I wanted him to get selected, to me he was like Symonds, you wanted them to get that break-through score. Usman had a very solid career, he was what we needed, but I feel in my guts that he hung on too long. It's kind of irony in a way, they took forever to select him in his youth, and then took forever to move him on.
 

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Bedi said:
Usman >Boon

Was tempted to leave it at just that, but that would've been mean to suck you in 🤣

But in reply to your earlier post that was wiped, i agree it's difficult to compare players of different generations – but I still feel that's what stats are for. I mean you say Usman Khawaja didn't come across bowlers of the same calibre as Boon (namely the Windies quicks), but did neither did Bradman if you think about it. Yet no one still came remotely close to averaging 99.94 – so of course you can't discredit the runs he made. So my point is you can only do as well as what's before you – and in light of that I'd say you could argue his career was as successful as the players i mentioned earlier: Mark Taylor, Langer, Mark Waugh – and yes, the great David Boon.
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Of course, and he can’t help that. But if their records are similar, which they are, then the logical thing to do to try and compare them is to analyse how they fared against the best bowlers of their era or bowlers that were of a similar standard.

I don’t subscribe to an ‘everything was better because it happened in the past’ mantra. I simply wdo barbie to an attitude that of all the attacks either player faced the best two are probably - well no probably about it at all really, the West Indies attacks David Clarence faced.

The next best are probably the SA attacks Usman has faced early on, then the Pakistan attacks Boon struggled against.

After that it’s the pommy attacks, both played some good Indian attacks away, Boon never faced any good Indian attacks here, he faced some good early Saffer attacks after reintroduction. And good kiwi attacks albeit they relied heavily on Hadlee.

Yes it’s harsh to judge someone because of who they DIDNT play and I understand that but what I’m saying is against the best opposition he met, he fared worse. I think he sits about where he should
 
Asked ChatGPT and it said his average as an opener was 48

Dunno if that's right but it's pretty impressive if it is, even if he did cash in on lower ranked nations
 

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revo333 said:
Played 88 tests and still said what he said today.

I've seen plenty of players been treated worse overall and in terms of selection.

He should have thanked his teammates for wrapping up the series in 3 tests and ensuring he got a farewell test.
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I was actually expecting him to go a bit harder 😁Always has been in general a nice but at times very abrasive and not a flexible type person right from early juniors to international.
Think he is a bit lucky the 'golf game' didnt result in a test loss plus he also has ongoing background issues with the QCA- particularly with what happened 12 months ago .

Very good test player who the coach loved which helped him hang in possible 12 months too long - probably got picked too late in his second stint though .
 
revo333 said:
Played 88 tests and still said what he said today.

I've seen plenty of players been treated worse overall and in terms of selection.

He should have thanked his teammates for wrapping up the series in 3 tests and ensuring he got a farewell test.
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Yep.

There’s a bloke in Queensland fighting for his life at the moment who missed 5 years of test cricket because of one shot and a perception that he liked himself. And with respect to Usman, he was a far better cricketer than he was ever going to be, and I can’t really recall him ever pulling that sort of crap in front of a camera.
 
Jack Mundy said:
One more thing: no Victorian has scored more test runs than Usman
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Yep when a Victorian gets dropped they stay dropped, Uzzie has been dropped 7 times over his career, a Victorian got as many chances as his had they would be up there in test runs
 
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