IVERSON vs KOBE

[trickster_23]

kobe and iversons scoring ability is very similar, but were kobe really stands out is with his 3 championships and ability to single handedly win matches. people say kobe is hungry and plays for himself, but he only shoots heaps as a last resort. how many times have kobe sat off the last quarter in a big win of scored hardly anny points. he loves to get other players into the game.

 

[CURVE]

Though saying Kobe is not anywhere near Jordans league is incorrect. Anyone who scores 81 points, is surely to be considered one of the greatest offensive talents around. I tend to dismiss Wilt Chamberlin's 100, as he was a giant of a man that only few could stop. Though Kobe managed to drop 81, as a SG, and he managed to score from everywhere in that game.

Chamberlain's 100 points was one of the truly great feats, as there was no 3 point shot. To dismiss it borders on stupidity, and shows a true lack of appreciation and understanding of this wonderful game.

 

[mdc]

Chamberlain's 100 points was one of the truly great feats, as there was no 3 point shot. To dismiss it borders on stupidity, and shows a true lack of appreciation and understanding of this wonderful game.

Except that Chamberlain was largely being paraded as a sideshow at the time, and the owner of the team demanded that he play as many minutes as possible and score the ball every time he touched it, even if it was to the detriment of the team.

Kobe's 81 is much more impressive.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Except that Chamberlain was largely being paraded as a sideshow at the time, and the owner of the team demanded that he play as many minutes as possible and score the ball every time he touched it, even if it was to the detriment of the team.

Kobe's 81 is much more impressive.

At the time Wilt had the second highest FG% in the league. If he was a sideshow he was a hugely efficient one.

 

[mdc]

At the time Wilt had the second highest FG% in the league. If he was a sideshow he was a hugely efficient one.

Or to put it another way, he shot just 50% despite being much taller and faster than anyone else.

He also played 48.5 mins/game and took 39.5 shots/game.

There's no doubt he was instructed to play for numbers rather than wnis.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Or to put it another way, he shot just 50% despite being much taller and faster than anyone else.

He also played 48.5 mins/game and took 39.5 shots/game.

There's no doubt he was instructed to play for numbers rather than wnis.

Don't forget his sexual conquests!!!!!!

 

[plowking]

Chamberlain's 100 points was one of the truly great feats, as there was no 3 point shot. To dismiss it borders on stupidity, and shows a true lack of appreciation and understanding of this wonderful game.

Like mydarlingclementine said. He was a sideshow and played only for numbers. Do you realise he shot 50% that game. So going by logic, Kobe's scoring rampage was more efficient then Wilt's. Yet Wilt also had the advantage of being far taller then anyone else.

Of course 100 points is a great accomplishment by any standard, though a shooting guard scoring 81 points, while being triple teamed occasionally is more impressive IMO.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Or to put it another way, he shot just 50% despite being much taller and faster than anyone else.

He also played 48.5 mins/game and took 39.5 shots/game.

There's no doubt he was instructed to play for numbers rather than wnis.

You could put it that way but seeing as only one other player shot 50% then it was still incredibly efficient. He was the team that's why he took so many shots and the only thing that stopped him from winning it all was the great Boston team. He played every minute each game because he could and his team needed him to. How does that diminish his accomplishments?

 

[mdc]

You could put it that way but seeing as only one other player shot 50% then it was still incredibly efficient. He was the team that's why he took so many shots and the only thing that stopped him from winning it all was the great Boston team. He played every minute each game because he could and his team needed him to. How does that diminish his accomplishments?

Hardly.

For starters, he had Paul Arizin on his team, who is a HOFer, and at the time was one of the most prolific scorers in NBA history. He also had Tom Gola, another HOFer.

And it's not like Wilt's Warriors were beating everyone other than the Celtics. Their best record was 49-26, in his rookie season. Every other season was worse, including a sub-.500 season when they first moved to San Francisco.

And as for the 100 point game specifically, it's well documented that the Warriors specifically tried to get Wilt 100 points, reverting to fouling the Knicks when the game was already over, to get Wilt more shots. If it happened today, the entire team would be crucified for it (see: Ricky Davis tries to get a triple double).

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Yeah. Kobe actually gets deep position quite often (especially true of that 35ppg season), but he doesn't really have a post repertoire.

He also has Bynum and Odom down there, who both like to use the block. Not to mention he played with Shaq. Payton did a lot of his best low post work after Kemp left and when Baker was on the decline, where in Chicago with Jordan bigs were usually used on the high post anyway and not always involved in the offense.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Hardly.

For starters, he had Paul Arizin on his team, who is a HOFer, and at the time was one of the most prolific scorers in NBA history. He also had Tom Gola, another HOFer.

And it's not like Wilt's Warriors were beating everyone other than the Celtics. Their best record was 49-26, in his rookie season. Every other season was worse, including a sub-.500 season when they first moved to San Francisco.

And as for the 100 point game specifically, it's well documented that the Warriors specifically tried to get Wilt 100 points, reverting to fouling the Knicks when the game was already over, to get Wilt more shots. If it happened today, the entire team would be crucified for it (see: Ricky Davis tries to get a triple double).

I think it's sad trying to denigrate Wilt in order to elevate Kobe. The Celtics knocked them out in the playoffs and they also won 49 games that season. And if you want to play that game, the Warriors won less games in the following seasons when Wilts scoring dropped.

Way to take things out of context too.

The Knicks tried fouling other Philadelphia players to keep the ball away from Chamberlain, but the Warriors countered by committing fouls of their own to get the ball back.

http://www.nba.com/history/wilt100_moments.html

 

[mdc]

I think it's sad trying to denigrate Wilt in order to elevate Kobe. The Celtics knocked them out in the playoffs and they also won 49 games that season. And if you want to play that game, the Warriors won less games in the following seasons when Wilts scoring dropped.

They won the most games when Wilt's scoring was at its lowest (rookie season). That they could only go 49-31 with Wilt averaging 50/25, and were sub-.500 next season with Wilt averaging 44/25 is telling.

Way to take things out of context too.

http://www.nba.com/history/wilt100_moments.html

Wow, nba.com glorifying a moment in NBA history. Say it ain't so.

Obviously the Knicks didn't exactly do the sportsmanlike thing, but it doesn't change what the Warriors did either.


Look, I'm not trying to denigrate Wilt. He was a freak of nature who benefited from playing against guys that were smaller and slower than he was. He made the most of it, as did his team owner.

But if you consider the pace of the league, the athleticism of the players, and the position they played - Kobe's 81 is simply more impressive.

 

[plowking]

They won the most games when Wilt's scoring was at its lowest (rookie season). That they could only go 49-31 with Wilt averaging 50/25, and were sub-.500 next season with Wilt averaging 44/25 is telling.




Wow, nba.com glorifying a moment in NBA history. Say it ain't so.

Obviously the Knicks didn't exactly do the sportsmanlike thing, but it doesn't change what the Warriors did either.


Look, I'm not trying to denigrate Wilt. He was a freak of nature who benefited from playing against guys that were smaller and slower than he was. He made the most of it, as did his team owner.

But if you consider the pace of the league, the athleticism of the players, and the position they played - Kobe's 81 is simply more impressive.

This is the exact point I'm trying to illustrate. Wilt's 100 may be more, though Kobe made 81 as a shooting guard and far more efficiently. Look at the game back when Wilt played, it was usually very high scoring.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

They won the most games when Wilt's scoring was at its lowest (rookie season). That they could only go 49-31 with Wilt averaging 50/25, and were sub-.500 next season with Wilt averaging 44/25 is telling.

Keep distorting buddy.

Obviously the Knicks didn't exactly do the sportsmanlike thing, but it doesn't change what the Warriors did either.

It changes it totally, showing the the Warriors were reacting to a tactic to stop Wilt scoring rather than the total opposite which is what you posted. You've been caught out being totally dishonest in an attempt to prop up your hero.

 

[Borgsta]

This is the exact point I'm trying to illustrate. Wilt's 100 may be more, though Kobe made 81 as a shooting guard and far more efficiently. Look at the game back when Wilt played, it was usually very high scoring.

I keep hearing this. What the heck did he shoot that day? .600??

 

[CURVE]

What's truly remarkable about Chamberlain's 100 is he shot 28 from 32 from the stripe. He only averaged 0.520 for his career.

One thing most people have been forgetting is Wilt scored his 100 against second rate opposition and Kobe scored his 81 against the pitiful Raptors. The opposition was not the strongest for either of these records. Personally I think Wilt's 72 against the Lakers the following season was probably his greatest offensive game, as the Lakers were genuine contenders and outside Boston the best team in the league.

Both Wilt's 100 and Kopbe's 81 are remarkable individual performances and deserved to be for the great feats they are, but neither should be denegrated at the expence of the other. That's poor form. And anyway neither of them get close to Magic's performance in Game 6 of the 1980 Finals series. Without question the greatest individual performance in NBA history.

I've updated the 61 to 81.

 

[plowking]

What's truly remarkable about Chamberlain's 100 is he shot 28 from 32 from the stripe. He only averaged 0.520 for his career.

One thing most people have been forgetting is Wilt scored his 100 against second rate opposition and Kobe scored his 61 against the pitiful Raptors. The opposition was not the strongest for either of these records. Personally I think Wilt's 72 against the Lakers the following season was probably his greatest offensive game, as the Lakers were genuine contenders and outside Boston the best team in the league.

Both Wilt's 100 and Kopbe's 81 are remarkable individual performances and deserved to be for the great feats they are, but neither should be denegrated at the expence of the other. That's poor form. And anyway neither of them get close to Magic's performance in Game 6 of the 1980 Finals series. Without question the greatest individual performance in NBA history.

He also managed to scored 65 points against Dallas in only three quarters of basketball that year.

 

[mdc]

Keep distorting buddy.

Facts getting in the way of your story again?

It changes it totally, showing the the Warriors were reacting to a tactic to stop Wilt scoring rather than the total opposite which is what you posted. You've been caught out being totally dishonest in an attempt to prop up your hero.

Please tell me what part of what I said is incorrect:

the Warriors specifically tried to get Wilt 100 points, reverting to fouling the Knicks when the game was already over, to get Wilt more shots.

The Knicks had every right to try to stop Wilt from breaking a hundred.

I guess you also weren't happy when the Jazz fouled Ricky Davis to stop him from getting that infamous triple double. How dare they!

 

[CURVE]

He also managed to scored 65 points against Dallas in only three quarters of basketball that year.

As stated I'm not discounting Kobe, I honestly believe his is the best player in the NBA at the moment. Offensively, he has no equal, and deserves to be compared with Jordan and all the greats, but I don't think he is better than them, and I don't think he will end up as one of the 10 greatest players. He does have defiencies in his game, and character.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Facts getting in the way of your story again?



Please tell me what part of what I said is incorrect:



The Knicks had every right to try to stop Wilt from breaking a hundred.

I guess you also weren't happy when the Jazz fouled Ricky Davis to stop him from getting that infamous triple double. How dare they!

OK if you're going to be an idiot about it then forget it Kobe is the greatest ever. Have a nice day.

 

[mdc]

OK if you're going to be an idiot about it then forget it Kobe is the greatest ever. Have a nice day.

lol. Cheers, thanks for playing.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

iverson is a no. 2 that throws up heaps of shot a game and makes less than any great. I'd be very disapointed if he ever made the hall of fame.

.400%ish

he is a shit gangster who has no place compared to any great.

Kobe is great but we all know how good Shaq made him look. Not sure why lakers sold Shaq, after all he was a bing player in taking Miami all the way, and kept Kobe.

Kobe to me is like a Dumas

If your going to crap on about the greatest try Mikan. So good the current rules are due to how much he dominated. Or while Jordan is incomparable from my generation, Thomas played a better 11 seconds than any player ever.

 

[brent-83]

Kobe is great but we all know how good Shaq made him look. Not sure why lakers sold Shaq, after all he was a bing player in taking Miami all the way, and kept Kobe.

What nonsense. The Lakers sold Shaq was a perfectly fine move, they didn't want to pay him a long-term max contract which is what he wanted. Miami got 1 good year out of Shaq and now they are paying for it, he is now basically always injured and under-performing for someone who gets paid $20 million per year. At this rate, they will lose Wade because Miami is going no where for the next 2 years.

Lakers on the other hand are into a massive resurgence, have a future long-term star prospect in Bynum.

Kobe doesn't need anyone to make him look good, he has done it perfectly fine carrying such a horrid team since Shaq's departure. Look at what happens when he gets some decent players around him - i.e this year. They are by no means in the top 4-5 teams in the league but they are a hell of a lot better than they should be for their list.

 

[plowking]

How is Miami going no where for the next two years. This years draft is packed, and the right player will make all the difference. Even though they're raw and inexperienced, they could still be able to turn a whole teams season around, like Shaq and KG have done to many teams.

You've got Beasley, Rose, OJ, Gordon, Jordan, Arthur, Augustin. All players who can turn it around for a team, especially IMO Jordan once he fully develops his game.

 

[mdc]

How is Miami going no where for the next two years. This years draft is packed, and the right player will make all the difference. Even though they're raw and inexperienced, they could still be able to turn a whole teams season around, like Shaq and KG have done to many teams.

You've got Beasley, Rose, OJ, Gordon, Jordan, Arthur, Augustin. All players who can turn it around for a team, especially IMO Jordan once he fully develops his game.

I think 2 years is a very optimistic time-frame for Miami. Until they get out from under Shaq's contract, they're going to be a lottery team.

As for the talent this year, only Beasley would make a real difference in Miami, and even then not for a couple of years (see how Seattle is faring with Durant - and Beasley's nowhere near the player Durant was). Rose is a pure PG who wouldn't really work with Wade, Mayo is a SG. The other three guys aren't anywhere near being franchise guys.