Opinion Jack Newnes

[holllywood]

Jack Newnes has barely missed a game of football since his debut in 2012 and he improved as a player, in the eye test as well as statistics, every year up to 2016 and then maintained his good 2016 form into 2017 with pretty identical numbers.

This year, he had an injury interrupted preseason due to knee surgery and has to regressed as a player. The 15.8 possessions is the least amount of disposals he has averaged since 2013, his marking has dropped off as has his tackling. This has all lead to him becoming a whipping boy on the forum, with many wanting him out.

But surely he has enough runs on the board that we stick with him. Yes, there is no doubt he is having a rough year, but he has been a very dependable player in our team since 2012 and I would say he has been an important player since 2014.

I reckon many have been too quick to write Newnes off, especially when you consider he is 25 years old, so about to hit the prime of his career.

We all know of the importance of a good preseason and what happens when one has an injury interrupted preseason and Newnes’ 2018 is a case in point.

I expect that he will have a good preseason and become the solid,!dependable and important player we know that he is, not the version we have seen this year.

 

[Nutsngum]

The virile directed at Newnes is a good indicator of the general cluelessness of half of the posters on this forum at the moment. As for selection, well in a tem bereft of experience you have to back in those who actually have it and frankly Richo did a good thing by pushing him up forward where his fitness isnt such an issue to his impact.

If he has a good pre-season and fails to bounce back to his former form then we can start seriously consider his worth to the team but until then leave the guy alone.

 

[saintbill]

The virile directed at Newnes is a good indicator of the general cluelessness of half of the posters on this forum at the moment. As for selection, well in a tem bereft of experience you have to back in those who actually have it and frankly Richo did a good thing by pushing him up forward where his fitness isnt such an issue to his impact.

If he has a good pre-season and fails to bounce back to his former form then we can start seriously consider his worth to the team but until then leave the guy alone.

Sorry but could not disagree more. Is easily the softest bloke in the 22 at the minute. Attack on the ball is very ordinary. Terrible awareness, never lowers his eyes just bombs it long without any thought process whatsoever. Lazy footballer.

Pass it off and injury if you like, but I am not buying it. Has only made incremental improvements for a couple of years. His inability to break into a midfield role in a side that has consistently had one of the bottom 3 midfield on the comp is a major indictment. Does not win anywhere near enough hard balls.

Gets a lot of cheap ball and sometimes kicks a nice goal to confuse the issue. In reality he is just a poor man's Jason Gram.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Jack Newnes has barely missed a game of football since his debut in 2012 and he improved as a player, in the eye test as well as statistics, every year up to 2016 and then maintained his good 2016 form into 2017 with pretty identical numbers.

This year, he had an injury interrupted preseason due to knee surgery and has to regressed as a player. The 15.8 possessions is the least amount of disposals he has averaged since 2013, his marking has dropped off as has his tackling. This has all lead to him becoming a whipping boy on the forum, with many wanting him out.

But surely he has enough runs on the board that we stick with him. Yes, there is no doubt he is having a rough year, but he has been a very dependable player in our team since 2012 and I would say he has been an important player since 2014.

I reckon many have been too quick to write Newnes off, especially when you consider he is 25 years old, so about to hit the prime of his career.

We all know of the importance of a good preseason and what happens when one has an injury interrupted preseason and Newnes’ 2018 is a case in point.

I expect that he will have a good preseason and become the solid,!dependable and important player we know that he is, not the version we have seen this year.

Good post mate.

Currently playing hurt (as well as underdone) and pushing himself through games for the good of the team (and in a different role to normal too). People tend to have amazing short memories with players. Newnes will bounce back next year and some people will remember why he is the best young leader we have.

Seems like a lot of this vitriol stems from Richo constantly picking underdone, injured and not fully recovered players (Newnes, Acres, Mav, Bruce, Dunstan, Webb, Steven, McCartin, Armo etc). Leads supporters to chuck a tantrum at their performance, declare player x from the above group useless / cooked and want to trade the them (see above).

Hopefully an off-season revamp and some stronger personalities in the football department will put a stop to this policy before it ruins someone's career. Big preseason and Newnes will be fine. Least of our problems at the moment

 

[DarkSaint]

I don't think anyone is saying delist him or get rid of him. What people are saying is that he should be selected because like you said is playing clearly injured and not having an impact in most games whilst being in our bottom 6 week after week.

Clearly Had no pre season and is carrying some sort of shoulder injury that won't get worse by playing.

In saying that though our1player management has been hopeless when it comes to continually playing injured and underdone players last 2 years.

If he needs surgery book him in and let another youngster get experience playing. It's pretty simple really.

The guys is clearly severely hampered and is shockingly out of form. Coaches need to take responsibility and not play him.

No one is having a go at Newnes as a person or player. Just this year he has been woeful and shouldn't be in the 22. When in form is easily top 12 in our team.

 

[tomjoad]

The guy has been pretty reliable for quite sometime. I do find it funny though that Billings was sent back to Sandy for a "circuit breaker" but Newnes has been able to carry on. Agree with Dark Saint, if he needs surgery, then put him on ice...play a kid. It makes more sense to let the bloke heal up properly, and head into pre season with a clean bill of health.

 

[mightymalaka]

If it's true that he has been playing with injury like Dunstan, then even more reason
to be scathing on this clueless coaching group!
What possible benefit is it to Anybody to keep playing players who are hurt
when the season was lost a long time ago!

Staggering really!

 

[PoppedCorn]

Currently playing hurt??

All we hear is that everybody plays hurt to some degree

Lets be honest, if hadnt of kicked 15.15 odd for rhe year he would be on the verge of being traded
I like him at the HFF.
But needs to go harder

 

[Saintos The ITK]

There is always that dugong footage. Sinkers didn’t delete his copy.

 

[gringo2011]

If it's true that he has been playing with injury like Dunstan, then even more reason
to be scathing on this clueless coaching group!
What possible benefit is it to Anybody to keep playing players who are hurt
when the season was lost a long time ago!

Staggering really!

I think that's called a lack of depth when half a Newnes is required. We have lots of kids and a few spud but guys like Roberton and Koby hurt our depth this year. Add in a drop off from several mid tier players and there wasn't much left in the cupboard.

 

[holllywood]

I think that's called a lack of depth when half a Newnes is required. We have lots of kids and a few spud but guys like Roberton and Koby hurt our depth this year. Add in a drop off from several mid tier players and there wasn't much left in the cupboard.

Stop being hyper-negative

 

[SaintOfLondon]

Prefer him up forward instead of Weller although he’d then become be more of a depth player once Long comes in.

Id be happpy to stick with him for another year to see if he can get a full pre season under his belt and on top of injuries

 

[MrFoster]

Sorry but could not disagree more. Is easily the softest bloke in the 22 at the minute. Attack on the ball is very ordinary. Terrible awareness, never lowers his eyes just bombs it long without any thought process whatsoever. Lazy footballer.

Pass it off and injury if you like, but I am not buying it. Has only made incremental improvements for a couple of years. His inability to break into a midfield role in a side that has consistently had one of the bottom 3 midfield on the comp is a major indictment. Does not win anywhere near enough hard balls.

Gets a lot of cheap ball and sometimes kicks a nice goal to confuse the issue. In reality he is just a poor man's Jason Gram.

Sorry, cannot agree. Yes, Newnes has had a bad year, so has the rest of the team apart from Gresham and maybe Carlise. Before this year, he was one of the most consistent, tough players we have, also a good user of the ball. Fast forward this year, like most of our players, he started to miss targets, chasing shadows and suffered injuries. (See also Ross, Steven, Sinclair, Webster, Billings.. other poorly skilled players have looked worse.. see Geary, Weller, Gilbert, Dunstan, is this a coincidence? I think not) This has a lot to do with the clueless coaching group who has turned this team from a finals contender to an uncompetitive rabble. Yes, we have some players incapable of winning contested ball, but Newnes is not one of them. For a half back/wingman, he averaged 20-23 possessions and 3-4 tackles a season for the last 4 seasons. If that's not consistency, I don't know what is. As an outside mid/half back, his job is to defend, then provide outside run when we have the ball, not going for the ball at the centre bounce/stoppages.. that's Armitage, Dunstan, Steele, Ross and Steven's job. Just that they cannot get their hands on the ball enough to feed players like Newnes.

 

[Sab22]

In Newnes fairness. Richo is at fault, Newnes has had a really bad season well its below average. He is injured, yet being played. Same was done with Weller last year.

We saw how Hickey was treated when he had play against bulldog's after he done his hammy. Newnes being rated a leader and possible captain, with our team lacking leadership he was continued playing.

 

[AirWinmar]

Dont understand why we continue to play guys underdone. You know what they say, doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Does anyone remember the game White got a Corky? I think the other team kicked 2 goals before we realised he was running on 1 leg.. Newnesy has plenty of credit in my view - not an a grader but consisitently a good player. Not sure whats happened this year, but its reflective of all the players except a very few, which makes me think it has to be in the coaching staff or possibly geary

 

[AirWinmar]

I think that's called a lack of depth when half a Newnes is required. We have lots of kids and a few spud but guys like Roberton and Koby hurt our depth this year. Add in a drop off from several mid tier players and there wasn't much left in the cupboard.

Agree Roberton, Bruce, etc have hurt our depth especially as they are 2 of the most experienced leaders, but regarding Newnes - we are playing him in the forward pocket/ hff when we have the fasted player in the afl kicking goals in the 2s. Minch is also good in that spot, but has been injured too. And we have around 20 half backs too

 

[gringo2011]

Agree Roberton, Bruce, etc have hurt our depth especially as they are 2 of the most experienced leaders, but regarding Newnes - we are playing him in the forward pocket/ hff when we have the fasted player in the afl kicking goals in the 2s. Minch is also good in that spot, but has been injured too. And we have around 20 half backs too

Minch has had injuries this year. The Irish guys don't seem to be very consistent either. Is it Connelan that quick one? Anyway he seems to be coming good late but he's played zero games and has been playing for 2 seasons. He's unlikely to be better than Newnes even half broken. Wright probably the most likely swap but he's not much better either. I think Newnes was our third highest goal scorer from memory.

 

[AirWinmar]

Minch has had injuries this year. The Irish guys don't seem to be very consistent either. Is it Connelan that quick one? Anyway he seems to be coming good late but he's played zero games and has been playing for 2 seasons. He's unlikely to be better than Newnes even half broken. Wright probably the most likely swap but he's not much better either. I think Newnes was our third highest goal scorer from memory.

Yeah Connellan is meant to be quickest player in afl. I would never pick wright, but more to the point if newnes is injured as people mention, may be worthwhile giving him a rest so he can heal a bit and be better once he comes back. Seems like we have been playing some guys injured over the last season that delays their recovery.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah Connellan is meant to be quickest player in afl. I would never pick wright, but more to the point if newnes is injured as people mention, may be worthwhile giving him a rest so he can heal a bit and be better once he comes back. Seems like we have been playing some guys injured over the last season that delays their recovery.

He had no preseason as well so was double ****ed.

 

[Sir Skid]

Annoys the crap out of me finding out at the end of each year that player x has been injured all year and thats why they played poorly.
Bet this is what we'll hear about Nooons.

 

[hangdog]

Not buying into Nenwes playing injured. He doesn't look injured. He just looks terrible.

Newnes should have filled the void left by Joey retiring but has just gone backwards instead. 16 disp, 0 tkls and 5 pressure acts last night after being named in the mids just sealed my opinion of him. If he's playing back then he's just keeping the likes of Rice, White, Coffield out. Playing in the mids then he's just keeping Freeman, Phillips, Dunstan out. Playing forward then it's Clark, Minch, Lonie, Long out.

He has never been a damaging player so there is no risk to trade him. I'd rather swap him for a Nic Newman type.

 

[Saint_Dos]

I am in the boat of keeping Newnes. Runs on the board: YES. Shown glimpses fwd: YES. If he has been playing injured: fine.

BUT:
He still should have been dropped on numerous occasions this year. He has had a poor year and any other players would have been dropped based on form.
He has been gifted games at the expenses of others and it has rightfully got supporters (at least on here) offside.

Keep him on the list but he only gets to play when deserves it.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Not buying into Nenwes playing injured. He doesn't look injured. He just looks terrible.

Newnes should have filled the void left by Joey retiring but has just gone backwards instead. 16 disp, 0 tkls and 5 pressure acts last night after being named in the mids just sealed my opinion of him. If he's playing back then he's just keeping the likes of Rice, White, Coffield out. Playing in the mids then he's just keeping Freeman, Phillips, Dunstan out. Playing forward then it's Clark, Minch, Lonie, Long out.

He has never been a damaging player so there is no risk to trade him. I'd rather swap him for a Nic Newman type.

Finally!! someone who isn’t so biased.

 

[Longmembrey]

The interesting thing about Newnes is that his missus is Grant Thomas's daughter. GT is consistently negative about Richo. Yet Richo seems to love Newnes. Bizarre love triangle.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Newnes lean patch stretches well back into 2017 so the missed pre season is just a convenient excuse IMO. In that time he has gone from very reliable kick to looking like he kicks in ugg boots.

I thought he was on the way to being a Mitch Duncan type talent but is now a fringe player. A massive disappointment for a bloke in the leadership group...

Definitely in the ‘trade at the right price’ category for mine.


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