Jack Viney

[The Great5s]

Firstly - the decisions by both the MRP and the Tribunal are astoundingly stupid in this case. A blight on intelligence and our great game.
Secondly - the MRP is a disgrace for the inconsistency in its decisions. Leniency in some cases (we can all name a few) and ludicrously over the top in others.
Thirdly - kudos to Brereton for making a public stand. Let's hope a few more follow his lead.

 

[RePete]

accept it.......then it keeps happening

Yeah, it's called consistency.

 

[wowlace]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2014-05-05/rd-7-jack-viney-rough-conduct-charge

Watch this vid. So quick, the ball at the last second makes a B line for Lynch when it looked like it was going to bob up again.

I really am dumfounded with Gleesons spin move idea. Simply, there was no time at all for that business. That video really highlights the pace of the incident for me. Blistering.

 

[Darksidepoints]

A ridiculous decision, especially when you consider the message it shows to young players. Its an unfortunate (and rare) injury in a contact sport, nothing more.

Just another step in the game becoming a non contact sport.

Disgraceful.

 

[bumsonseats]

This game has gone to shit

It's going to take a couple of high profile players to walk away from the game for the AFL to start acknowledging they have *****d this game.
Could you imagine if Ablett and Franklin walked away from the game and said they had lost interest because they didn't like where the game was going

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Oh really ?
Tell that to Taylor Hunt who laid the perfect shepherd on Daniel Rich in Rd 2 and got a weeks suspension because there's heads collided

It's fair enough he got suspended too. He went to lay the shepherd so he is ultimately responsible for the clash of heads. Vines case is completely different, HE was going for the ball, NOT the player

 

[Modified Dog]

I don't think the AFL are sanitising the game to appeal to Mums worried about their kids getting hurt

I think they are sanitising it because they are worried about litigations and law suits from former players after their bodies are stuffed post-retirement

It's not a valid excuse, but I just don't think they are doing it because of the former, like a lot of people seem to think

Exactly

Bumps to the head account for a large percentage of concussions

They've removed the bump from the game very stealthily. It's taken them about 7 years, but they've done it, bit by bit.

 

[Art Corvelay]

AFL is probably keeping a close eye on the concussion lawsuit with the NFL and trying to mitigate any chance of that in the coming decades.

Shame.

 

[RandB]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2014-05-05/rd-7-jack-viney-rough-conduct-charge

Watch this vid. So quick, the ball at the last minute makes a B line for Lynch when it looked like it was going to bop up again.

I really am dumfounded with Gleesons spin move idea. Simply, there was no time at all for that business. That video really highlights the pace of the incident for me. Blistering.

The game has changed so much and is so much quicker it begs the question why the tribunal has a jury of ex-footy players who belong in the dark ages.

 

[bumsonseats]

Has G.Ablett had anything to say on Twitter. When the son of God speaks, does the AFL listen

 

[Westicle]

Unpopular opinion here...

Lining up a player who is already being tackled for a bump which he has no way of avoiding or protecting himself from should result in a report, whether or not the player is injured as a result.

Bumping in general play is one thing (and should not be punished if executed cleanly), but what Viney did was dangerous and unnecessary.

Look at Lynch in the picture above: wrapped up in a tackle, being brought to ground (both of his feet are off the ground) and with no way to avoid Viney's bump, resulting in a broken jaw. I don't think there was any malice in it, but it was no doubt a dangerous, reckless act. How would you like to be Lynch, both arms pinned and being pulled off your feet as Viney's shoulder connects with your chin coming the other way?

 

[bumsonseats]

AFL is probably keeping a close eye on the concussion lawsuit with the NFL and trying to mitigate any chance of that in the coming decades.

Shame.

What do you call 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean...?
A. a good start

 

[nicko74]

Absolute FARKIN disgrace IMO. The AFL should be ashamed of itself. PATHETIC!!!!!

 

[smitchy]

Problem is, the average footy fan is a moron

Crazy Idea: Get an intelligent footy fan to make tribunal decisions not based on a categorical points system.

 

[stevo86]

Unpopular opinion here...

Lining up a player who is already being tackled for a bump which he has no way of avoiding or protecting himself from should result in a report, whether or not the player is injured as a result.

Bumping in general play is one thing (and should not be punished if executed cleanly), but what Viney did was dangerous and unnecessary.

Look at Lynch in the picture above: wrapped up in a tackle, being brought to ground (both of his feet are off the ground) and with no way to avoid Viney's bump, resulting in a broken jaw. I don't think there was any malice in it, but it was no doubt a dangerous, reckless act. How would you like to be Lynch, both arms pinned and being pulled off your feet as Viney's shoulder connects with your chin coming the other way?

wrong. he was going for the ball and in the space of 0.5 seconds had to do something to protect him self. Go and try re create this with your mate on the weekend, run right at each other and then in 3m try and avoid each other. KGO

 

[The Great5s]

The MRP has indicated they would prefer players to squib contests if at all possible.

I don't understand it, we cannot allow players to be unsure if they should go for the ball because they might accidentally hurt their opponent while putting themselves in harms way also. It goes again every level of coaching, instinct, and the fundamental principles of the sport.

This is a worse decision than the Fyfe one, by a long, long way.

They've been on an exponential upward curve of stupidity since the Hunt and Fyfe bumps. Your post sums the issue up perfectly. A collision was inevitable in this case, Viney can't disappear and he instinctively and correctly uses his shoulder and side to take the impact.

 

[ScoobySnacks]

It'll start coming soon enough, players will be avoiding these line ball contests, simply letting their opponent get the ball and ignoring the instinct and mantra that they have grown up with.

The coaches will hate it, the game will look worse for it, and the fans will hate it. Only then when the flow on effect starts hitting the AFL's bottom line, in terms of lost ticket revenue and memberships, will they realise how badly they have stuffed the whole process up.

Hopefully it won't be too far gone by that stage

 

[Bobby_]

Jack needs to adopt the Newman approach when attempting to contest the footy

in fact, all players in general should start doing similar

 

[Munga]

Get over it, geez. There's been worse over the years.

 

[wowlace]

Unpopular opinion here...

Lining up a player who is already being tackled for a bump which he has no way of avoiding or protecting himself from should result in a report, whether or not the player is injured as a result.

Bumping in general play is one thing (and should not be punished if executed cleanly), but what Viney did was dangerous and unnecessary.

Look at Lynch in the picture above: wrapped up in a tackle, being brought to ground (both of his feet are off the ground) and with no way to avoid Viney's bump, resulting in a broken jaw. I don't think there was any malice in it, but it was no doubt a dangerous, reckless act. How would you like to be Lynch, both arms pinned and being pulled off your feet as Viney's shoulder connects with your chin coming the other way?

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2014-05-05/rd-7-jack-viney-rough-conduct-charge

Stop looking at pictures. Watch this video and tell me what Viney could have done. Jack is chasing the ball which takes a shallow bounce away from him just before the players meet. He had every right to be there.

 

[jimbler]

Has G.Ablett had anything to say on Twitter. When the son of God speaks, does the AFL listen

More likely to see the latest clip from Hillsong IMHO

 

[NitroFan]

Watch in real time here (as i've mentioned before, i love how this incident results in two concussions and broken jaw yet Viney just bounces back up, barges through a tackle and gets off the contested handball. The kid's a ******* gun):

get your hand off it. he absorbed the impact with his shoulder. the other two absorbed it with their heads.

typically awful decision by the mrp, though

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Unpopular opinion here...

Lining up a player who is already being tackled for a bump which he has no way of avoiding or protecting himself from should result in a report, whether or not the player is injured as a result.

Bumping in general play is one thing (and should not be punished if executed cleanly), but what Viney did was dangerous and unnecessary.

Look at Lynch in the picture above: wrapped up in a tackle, being brought to ground (both of his feet are off the ground) and with no way to avoid Viney's bump, resulting in a broken jaw. I don't think there was any malice in it, but it was no doubt a dangerous, reckless act. How would you like to be Lynch, both arms pinned and being pulled off your feet as Viney's shoulder connects with your chin coming the other way?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, agree. No malice, but reckless.

 

[Engimal]

Unpopular opinion here...

Lining up a player who is already being tackled for a bump which he has no way of avoiding or protecting himself from should result in a report, whether or not the player is injured as a result.

Bumping in general play is one thing (and should not be punished if executed cleanly), but what Viney did was dangerous and unnecessary.

Look at Lynch in the picture above: wrapped up in a tackle, being brought to ground (both of his feet are off the ground) and with no way to avoid Viney's bump, resulting in a broken jaw. I don't think there was any malice in it, but it was no doubt a dangerous, reckless act. How would you like to be Lynch, both arms pinned and being pulled off your feet as Viney's shoulder connects with your chin coming the other way?

There's a couple of milliseconds between when he gets wrapped up and when Viney lays the bump. No human operates on this level of timing.

 

[wowlace]

There's a couple of milliseconds between when he gets wrapped up and when Viney lays the bump. No human operates on this level of timing.

Exactly, some guys up in here must be very agile to think they could avoid that collision.