Jack Viney

[DangerSloane]

a) I dont think this kind of contact should warrent a suspension, ever, full stop.

b) It has to warrent a suspension given what else has been given games this year (Douglas, Fyfe)

c) It takes a Melbourne club getting a rotton one at the tribunal before anyone gives a sh!t. Richard Douglas got two weeks for a bump to the chest and nobody gave a stuff, he didnt even hit the head but still got given high contact grading. Sure he picked a player off who wasnt exactly aware, but thats the players fault, not Douglas'.

 

[DangerSloane]

It's hardly just victorians.

Did anyone see the AFL go into meltdown regarding Fyfe or Douglas' suspensions which were equally as rediculous?

Took a victorian side before the media decided to get right on board.

 

[Tulip]

Did anyone see the AFL go into meltdown regarding Fyfe or Douglas' suspensions which were equally as rediculous?

Took a victorian side before the media decided to get right on board.

This is far, far worse than either decision. And both were tragic. This is a precedent that means the player must avoid contact because an injury may result.

I bet Matty Whelan would have gotten 25 weeks for falling on Brown's leg.

 

[AJB84]

I've actually posted the rules for you, the least you could do is read them. The rules state that a player will be found guilty of rough conduct UNLESS "The player was contesting the ball and did not have a realistic alternative way to contest the ball"

The rules do not allow for avoiding the contest as a reasonable alternative, they specifically look only for alternative ways to contest the ball. The AFL case hinged on the fact that the reasonable alternative was for viney to avoid the contest altogother, when this is clearly not supported by the rules as written.

you posted last years rule

 

[JUBJUB]

Did anyone see the AFL go into meltdown regarding Fyfe or Douglas' suspensions which were equally as rediculous?

Took a victorian side before the media decided to get right on board.

Don't start that shit
Fyfe was stiff,but let's not forget he had priors which cost him the extra week.
Douglas picked off a player well off the ball,so NFI why you're comparing it with Viney or Fyfes.

 

[DangerSloane]

1. Rough Conduct (High Bumps)
The Player Rules provide that a player will be guilty of rough
conduct where in the bumping of an opponent (whether reasonably or
unreasonably) he causes forceful contact to be made with any part of
his body to an opponent’s head or neck unless
a.
he player was contesting the ball and did not have a realistic
alternative way to contest the ball; or
b.
the forceful contact to the head or neck was caused by
circumstances outside the control of the player which could not
reasonably be foreseen.
In the interests of player safety, the purpose of the rule dealing
with high bumps is to reduce, as far as practicable, the risk of head
injuries to players and this purpose needs to be kept firmly in mind by
all players and will guide the application of the rule.


THE BOLDED PART IS WHAT THE TRIBUNAL IS BLATANTLY IGNORING.
That collision was 99% unavoidable.

 

[MUYB]

you posted last years rule

Yep, because the 2013 book is the latest available. The only relevant change to the rules for 2014 are that head clashes are to be seen as a foreseeable consequence as a bump and thus not to be used as a defence.

 

[efcboy]

The rule this year is Black and White

If you Bump ANY head injury is your fault

You may not agree with the rule but that is the rule this year

Viney didn't bump though - he braced. If he'd elected to bump he would have had momentum which he didn't. This is clear when he falls backwards from the contact.

 

[DangerSloane]

Don't start that shit
Fyfe was stiff,but let's not forget he had priors which cost him the extra week.
Douglas picked off a player well off the ball,so NFI why you're comparing it with Viney or Fyfes.

It wasnt "well off the ball" - it was less than 10m away from the ball. In fact, Ward was chasing the player with the ball.
Also he didnt make high contact, even though the charge was assessed as high contact. Also Ward played the following week (and racked up something like 35 disposals for the record) whereas Lynch wont play for 8 weeks or so.

My point being, whether the damage was accidental or not, the punishment is now going to partially reflect the injury sustained to the other player.

Its rubbish, but they started it with Fyfe and Douglas and therefore cant stop now...

I'm not 'starting that shit', its a fact that unless it happens to a Vic team, nobody gives a stuff.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

You've got to love delusional Adelaide fans, wanting retribution comparing this to the Douglas hit.

They aren't even remotely similar.

 

[malph]

Did anyone see the AFL go into meltdown regarding Fyfe or Douglas' suspensions which were equally as rediculous?

Took a victorian side before the media decided to get right on board.

I, like most people, disagree that the three cases are the same. But enough of the "Victorian bias" comments. You make South Australians look like arseclowns.

 

[Heisenberg_]

This social media backlash from Victorians is a joke...can you imagine if Lynch had been suspended because he broke Viney's jaw? Victorians would all be saying yeah fair result....

No we wouldn't, most of us don't even support Melbourne so stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories.

 

[DangerSloane]

I, like most people, disagree that the three cases are the same. But enough of the "Victorian bias" comments. You make South Australians look like arseclowns.

I dont think they are 'the same', but individually they are messed up in different ways.

Fyfe's was just pure rubbish
Douglas was accused of making contact with the head which was rubbish
Viney was accused of choosing to bump which is very dubious

 

[Crankyhawk]

I thought the AFL advocate was even trying to tank the case y arguing Viney should have got out of the way. Probably expected the explayers to react that it was ridiculous and throw charge out.
Problem is explayers didn't pick up the hint.

 

[Dan Cooper]

What did some clown at the tribunal suggest - he could have pirouetted out of way??

OMF! Words fail me!!

 

[DangerSloane]

You've got to love delusional Adelaide fans, wanting retribution comparing this to the Douglas hit.

They aren't even remotely similar.

Once again, not comparing the cases on what happened.
Just saying that for different reasons all of Fyfe, Douglas and Vineys suspensions are BS

 

[Fat Tony!]

The AFL must either bring in an offside rule or remove physical contact all together if Viney's actions are were negligent of unduly rough conduct. It is incompatible to allow 360 degree player movement (particularly with an oval shaped ball) and then ban players from bracing themselves prior to contact.

 

[efcboy]

I, like most people, disagree that the three cases are the same. But enough of the "Victorian bias" comments. You make South Australians look like arseclowns.

Agree. This has been a national competition for quite some time. Victorians support their own individual clubs and treat all other clubs as rivals regardless of where they are located. In fact most Victorians probably hate other rival Victorian clubs more than interstate clubs due to years of rivalry.

 

[Dan Cooper]

Very convenient sentencing from the AFL's point of view.

But a huge black-eye for the credibility of our once great game.

How long before forgetting to pirouette out of the way of a contest costs a player a Brownlow medal or a Grand Final.

RIP Aussie Rules Football.

 

[Tulip]

What did some clown at the tribunal suggest - he could have pirouetted out of way??

OMF! Words fail me!!

Defies belief and gravity at the same time.

Make no mistake, this won't be a contact sport for long.

Much of the blame has to go to sports stars who have suffered concussion and now sue their codes for damages. What did you think you were getting into when you got paid millions to throw your weight around?!?

 

[Plugger35]

Did anyone see the AFL go into meltdown regarding Fyfe or Douglas' suspensions which were equally as rediculous?

Took a victorian side before the media decided to get right on board.

The difference is that Fyfe and Douglas chose to bump while Viney was just bracing himself for contact to protect himself.

I don't agree with Fyfe and Douglas getting suspensions either but they had other options like tackling, Viney really had no other option or no other sensible option. Spinning away from contact or trying to tackle two guys bigger than him travelling at speed in the opposite direction were not sensible options, the former he'd be labelled a squib and the latter he'd probably end up in hospital.

 

[Roo Lives Again]

No we wouldn't, most of us don't even support Melbourne so stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories.

It's not a theory muppet it's fact. You clowns dominate the media and the agenda and SA clubs always get a raw deal.

 

[Bluelegs]

It's not a theory muppet it's fact. You clowns dominate the media and the agenda and SA clubs always get a raw deal.

Christ, give it a rest. Even Mark Ricciuto and Taylor Walker have spoken up against this, as have players from every club across the land, including Jude Bolton, Michael Voss, and so on. This shit has nothing to do with Victorian bias.

 

[Randy Campbell]

The AFL has to because one day someone will sue.
Lawyers, liability, Work safe, Occupational health and safety.
Its not about blaming anybody it’s about not getting blamed.
The wonderful elements of a professional workplace..

 

[DangerSloane]

Agree. This has been a national competition for quite some time. Victorians support their own individual clubs and treat all other clubs as rivals regardless of where they are located. In fact most Victorians probably hate other rival Victorian clubs more than interstate clubs due to years of rivalry.

I dont think its the supporters, but more the media.
Something can happen 10 times to interstate sides but as soon as it happens to a Vic side is when it gets the full media run-down.

You've got to love delusional Adelaide fans, wanting retribution comparing this to the Douglas hit.

They aren't even remotely similar.

Cant read then Crypt? Maybe i should've written it in hyroglyphics? All I said was we've already had rotton decisions at the tribunal this year which didnt attract the same uproar. All for different reasons but all of Fyfe, Douglas and Vineys decisions are utter BS.