Jack Viney

[Woodson]

Could you imagine of the NFL DOING this? No way

Pffft! It's already started from 2010.. Believe me… accidental contact to the helmet (on helmet) by NFL poster boys (read: James Harrison) = up to $75,000 in fines!!

I feel sorry for players these days.. they're getting conflicting messages… they don't know what to do anymore.. would HATE to be rubbed out for a GF for incidental contact (injury to another player).. that's where the AFL are gonna look like hypocrites because everyone knows come finals time… the gloves are off and players will be not holding anything back (well, you'd think so anyway).

 

[Daveismad]

I would live to be at a game this week

Wear a t-shirt bump is dead

Who killed bump? Viney did

 

[TMoney22]

Glad we got to see Luke Hodge play, coz he will be the last of his kind

 

[melbournemartin]

I can't wait for someone to take mark of the year, a beautiful specie, yet there is a knee to the back of a head which concusses the opponent. What happens then?

I'm sure the brilliant AFL lawyer would suggest the marking player do a handstand and catch the ball between his legs.

 

[lanky_wes]

So if the ball had have bounced the other way and Viney collected the ball, then contact is made and Lynch breaks his jaw, is Viney still suspended?

 

[larrikan]

Now that we're clear on the bump, it's about time the AFL banned the tackle. If players don't stop tackling someone is going to get hurt or not be allowed to kick or handball properly. Sometimes the act of tackling prevents a player from kicking a goal. Kicking goals is the heart of our great game and tackling restricts this.

The bump and the tackle are a blight on our great game. The two metre rule - where another player cannot come within a two metre radius of the ball carrier at all times is inevitable.

For too long accidents and injuries have happened on the football field requiring clubs to have medical and fitness departments.

Only the umpires should be allowed to tackle and bump players to get the ball back from them.

The future is here my friends.

 

[blaze036]

So if the ball had have bounced the other way and Viney collected the ball, then contact is made and Lynch breaks his jaw, is Viney still suspended?

You have to roll the dice first,

4 and above the answer is yes

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So now we wait.... Do Melbourne follow through with what we all hope they will, and appeal this idiotic suspension?


Or do they meekly slink away in the shadows like every other club and player, too scared to stand up for what this game once meant to people?

 

[Modified Dog]

If anyone here happens to see Wayne henwood or Wayne schimmlebusch please punch them in the face.
Then tell them they are a campaigner.

What does this mean?

 

[larrikan]

Ron Barassi introduced ballet training 40 years ago.

What a legend, ahead of his time, who would have thought pirouetting would become an integral part of our game.

Viney is young. Can't blame him for not using the delicate spinning move.

 

[Modified Dog]

Oh, it's the swear filter for the C word

Admin should've used "constable"

 

[blaze036]

Well I did some digging and managed to find out the mysterious way the MRP/Tribunal come to their decisions

 

[melbournemartin]

So now we wait.... Do Melbourne follow through with what we all hope they will, and appeal this idiotic suspension?


Or do they meekly slink away in the shadows like every other club and player, too scared to stand up for what this game once meant to people?

We tried with Trengove and failed. Appeals aren't cheap and Melbourne ain't rich.

Is Hawthorn willing to pay?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We tried with Trengove and failed. Appeals aren't cheap and Melbourne ain't rich.

Is Hawthorn willing to pay?

I really wish someone, anyone, with some clout would dig their heels in and have a wack at the AFL and the tribunal for allowing this to happen.

There's far too many boys club w***ers amongst the AFL who just trot out the old "this is what the game is now, I don't like it, but we have to accept it".
**** off, we have to accept it. Stand up for the game. Make those suits responsible for the decisions that they are making.


I really hope Mark Evans stands up and does something about this suspension, because it's quite clearly the wrong decision, and if he just sits by and lets this go while lining his pockets with coin, then he can **** right off too(with Vlad).

This game needs a re-direction. It needs some common sense to return, and some sanity. Suspending every player who injures an opponent is not common sense. It's ****ing stupidity.

The game is not played in slo motion. It's played at break-neck speed, and accidents will happen. If someone could get this through to the ****wits who govern this game, it would be in a much better state right now(and I wouldn't be so damn angry).

 

[Cudi]

So if the ball had have bounced the other way and Viney collected the ball, then contact is made and Lynch breaks his jaw, is Viney still suspended?

The thing is if that ball bounced the other then Lynch is colliding with Viney and Lynch gets weeks.

Should we suspending players because of the bounce of the ball?? Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[master bate]

So now we wait.... Do Melbourne follow through with what we all hope they will, and appeal this idiotic suspension?


Or do they meekly slink away in the shadows like every other club and player, too scared to stand up for what this game once meant to people?

I hope we appeal but I don't think any club regardless of resources should appeal purely for the sake of it. If it's a lost cause than an appeal just to register your disatisfaction probably does no good.

I hope we find a biomechanics expert to discuss the possibilities of Viney moving and how ridiculous a spin would be. And to talk about bracing and protection etc.

Logic seemed to fail. Better off trying to confuse the panel members.

 

[asanque]

I've been warning of the idiocy of Vlad's netball regime for numerous years.

This is just another step eroding the physicality of the game.

The bump died years ago, now we are punishing players for accidental contact?

Its a contact sport, accidents happen.

Vlad and Anderson were the architects of this mess and it will take years to fix to the detriment of the game.

 

[Tulip]

I bloody well hope to hear from the invisible Glen Bartlett on radio tomorrow morning. Someone has to stand up for this.

 

[cmndstab]

It's bullshit that Viney gets suspended for that - just as it was bullshit when Douglas got suspended, and bullshit when Fyfe got suspended.

Claiming that a player has a responsibility not only to avoid the head, but to avoid doing anything that might result in their opponent hitting their head on someone or something else is just unrealistic. It can't be done.

The absurd suggestion that a player, in the split-second he has to make a decision, should choose to spin away from the contest to avoid hitting a player because he might go on to hit his head elsewhere, is one of the most frightening things ever heard out of AFL house. If you ever wanted incontrovertible proof that the people in charge of the game have lost touch with it, there it is. As a player, it is completely impossible to play in that way without fundamentally altering your instincts to hunt the ball. It is impossible to acquiesce by the AFL's directive without removing the bulk of contact from the game... and nobody wants to see that.

I won't even get started on the smarmy, arrogant comments that choosing to bump is the "cowardly" option, other than to say that the people who said that need to get the **** out of football forever. You don't deserve to represent any part of our great game in even the tiniest capacity. **** off and don't come back.

Viney is just another name in an ever-growing list of disgraceful decisions. It's a pity that it took a Melbourne-based player for the Melbourne media (who are the only media with any real clout in the football world) to finally get up in arms about what has become a very sad trend. I just hope they keep the heat up so the AFL is forced to revisit this issue, because if we continue down this road the only possible endgames are that contact is coached out of the game, or much more likely, we just have to accept that a random smattering of good, fair players will be suspended several times a year for playing the ball.

 

[Tulip]

If he had charged in and cleaned up the comets fair enough

He slowed down...in fact he stopped and braced to minimise the impact

He did everything we would want to do and would teach teenage players ......overnight the way we teach teenage players has been bought into question

That to me is the worry ...the decision we will get over

But now the bigger question ....what do we teach players ?

THATS A BIGGER CONCERN THAN THE DECISION ITSELF

Will the AFL be releasing the reason for his suspension?

All evidence points to not guilty.

 

[Tulip]

It's bullshit that Viney gets suspended for that - just as it was bullshit when Douglas got suspended, and bullshit when Fyfe got suspended.

Claiming that a player has a responsibility not only to avoid the head, but to avoid doing anything that might result in their opponent hitting their head on someone or something else is just unrealistic. It can't be done.

The absurd suggestion that a player, in the split-second he has to make a decision, should choose to spin away from the contest to avoid hitting a player because he might go on to hit his head elsewhere, is one of the most frightening things ever heard out of AFL house. If you ever wanted incontrovertible proof that the people in charge of the game have lost touch with it, there it is. As a player, it is completely impossible to play in that way without fundamentally altering your instincts to hunt the ball. It is impossible to acquiesce by the AFL's directive without removing the bulk of contact from the game... and nobody wants to see that.

I won't even get started on the smarmy, arrogant comments that choosing to bump is the "cowardly" option, other than to say that the people who said that need to get the **** out of football forever. You don't deserve to represent any part of our great game in even the tiniest capacity. **** off and don't come back.

Viney is just another name in an ever-growing list of disgraceful decisions. It's a pity that it took a Melbourne-based player for the Melbourne media (who are the only media with any real clout in the football world) to finally get up in arms about what has become a very sad trend. I just hope they keep the heat up so the AFL is forced to revisit this issue, because if we continue down this road the only possible endgames are that contact is coached out of the game, or much more likely, we just have to accept that a random smattering of good, fair players will be suspended several times a year for playing the ball.

The tragic bit is you could just see it. Everyone knew they wanted to suspend him, they didn't even have a reason for it.

Nobody is accountable, and here we are taking it up the rear with no lube as Demetriou ushers in his assistant to lead the game.

 

[skipper kelly]

Who cares about anything else and what his real options were. They said players need to jump out of the way. Is no one else getting this. Jump out of the way!!!!

Nothing else is relevant as it is opinion. They have said players need to jump out of the way!!! What!!!!

say that again

 

[Bombermania]

To repeat what i wrote on the Melbourne board

O dear that was pathetic! Viney actually did everything right.

When looking at these incidents I look for several things
-Did the player change direction (No, Viney was running straight at the ball)
-Did the player lift the arm (No, Viney had is well tucked in)
-Was there an alternative (No, Viney was looking to get involved in the contest helping his team mate)

For years people have questioned Melbourne's hardness and Viney should be commended for going in hard and in my few fairly.

If Viney had backed out of the contest or as the AFL put it sprung out of the contest he would have been bagged as soft, clubs like Hawthorn expect players to do what Viney did.

We see players bumping players well off the ball getting less, yet this was fair and square within the contest.

If Viney hadn't got involved and had jumped out of the way and somehow the Adelaide player kicked it forward and Adelaide scored a goal and won by less than a kick. Viney backing out of the contest would have been the main talking point across the media

 

[Bombermania]

Unpopular opinion here...

Lining up a player who is already being tackled for a bump which he has no way of avoiding or protecting himself from should result in a report, whether or not the player is injured as a result.

Bumping in general play is one thing (and should not be punished if executed cleanly), but what Viney did was dangerous and unnecessary.

Look at Lynch in the picture above: wrapped up in a tackle, being brought to ground (both of his feet are off the ground) and with no way to avoid Viney's bump, resulting in a broken jaw. I don't think there was any malice in it, but it was no doubt a dangerous, reckless act. How would you like to be Lynch, both arms pinned and being pulled off your feet as Viney's shoulder connects with your chin coming the other way?

If Viney had moved off his line or lifted the arm then i could agree, furthermore if Viney had turned his back to the Adelaide player and had him run into his back then he might have received a free kick.

Viney should be commended for holding his position and not backing out of it.

Its very much a case of be dammed as he would have been roasted if he backed out and as we see now rubbed out for holding his position.

Viney has already suffered a Jaw injury which was probably more in his mind than o should i bump

 

[MUYB]

The appeal should be very very simple to make in fact.

The Tribunal rules offer two circumstances under the Rough Conduct(High Bump) section, in which players will be found not guilty. One of these is:
"The player was contesting the ball and did not have a realistic alternative way to contest the ball;"

Gleeson made the AFL's case that Viney had a duty of care which required him to avoid the contest. There is no such requirement in the rules. The AFL made no attempt to suggest that tackling was a realistic alternative to contest the ball, they suggested the alternative was avoiding the contest altogether. If the tribunal ruled on the basis that Viney had a duty to avoid the contest in order to fulfil his duty of care they ruled incorrectly and it should be overturned.