James Aish

[Draft Bored]

Adelaide hasn't focussed on drafting SA players in ages, as a result they are now in the minority on our senior list (and have been for several years). Adelaide seem to mostly focus on drafting from SA and Vic Country. We have relatively few draftees from WA & Vic Metro. Most of the decent players from the northern states go through the Academy system, so we rarely draft from those states either.

I can understand not drafting Vic Metro players. I'm not sure why Adelaide is so reluctant to draft players from WA.

Agreed. There would be some massive pros to recruiting interstate players also. I think they'd grow stronger bonds with teammates because they're isolated from family and friends. They'd have more spare time to spend with teammates (eg. movies, bingo nights, drinking, croquet clubbing).

SA players like Riley Knight would still spend a large percentage of their spare time hanging out with his school mates and family.

 

[Vader]

And more ?? You're kidding me aren't you. Say our first rounder is 10-12..... thats more than enough. If we need to offload a solid midrange player such as Lyons or Grigg then so be it...... but thats overpaying slightly.

The price people are willing to pay is outrageous.

If our first pick is 10+ then we'll be throwing in a kicker. Might be a fringe player - and Lyons & Grigg fit the bill, given that neither are "best 22" in their 4th & 5th years on the list. It's more likely to be another draft pick. My guess - we swap our 2nd for Brisbane's 3rd, but that's just a guess.

 

[hey shorty]

Agreed. There would be some massive pros to recruiting interstate players also. I think they'd grow stronger bonds with teammates because they're isolated from family and friends. They'd have more spare time to spend with teammates (eg. movies, bingo nights, drinking, croquet clubbing).

SA players like Riley Knight would still spend a large percentage of their spare time hanging out with his school mates and family.

Not entirely true, ive known a few local draftees in recent times who have completely forgotten where they came from.

 

[relapse]

If our first pick is 10+ then we'll be throwing in a kicker. Might be a fringe player - and Lyons & Grigg fit the bill, given that neither are "best 22" in their 4th & 5th years on the list. It's more likely to be another draft pick. My guess - we swap our 2nd for Brisbane's 3rd, but that's just a guess.

If we do a deal with Brisbane I have this gut feeling that we'll be the first club to exercise the option to trade future draft picks.

It's pretty much a lock that they're coming in and I wouldnt be surprised because Brisbane are huge advocates for their introduction that they'll want a deal done along those lines for Aish (should he decide to leave)

 

[hey shorty]

If our first pick is 10+ then we'll be throwing in a kicker. Might be a fringe player - and Lyons & Grigg fit the bill, given that neither are "best 22" in their 4th & 5th years on the list. It's more likely to be another draft pick. My guess - we swap our 2nd for Brisbane's 3rd, but that's just a guess.

At this stage you'd think itll be beyond 10, and in that range we may have to hand Lyons over. Whilst id like to keep him we have quite a number of good inside mids who are ahead.

Brisbane on the other hand have a lack of them, Rocky aside.

 

[Bacon8]

And more ?? You're kidding me aren't you. Say our first rounder is 10-12..... thats more than enough. If we need to offload a solid midrange player such as Lyons or Grigg then so be it...... but thats overpaying slightly.

The price people are willing to pay is outrageous.

If Josh Caddy is a 1st & 3rd rounders (after 24 games), then Aish is worth 1st & 2nd/player (he should get to 35-40 games).

Aish has played 22/24 games since being drafted. He's not a "fringe" at Brisbane.

 

[hey shorty]

If Josh Caddy is a 1st & 3rd rounders (after 24 games), then Aish is worth 1st & 2nd/player (he should get to 35-40 games).

Aish has played 22/24 games since being drafted. He's not a "fringe" at Brisbane.

You want our club to part with our top 2 picks AND a player for a kid ? Our club, the one with 2 years of sanctions and a severe lack of depth everywhere but midfield. In effect your trading away 3 players for one when in all likelihood we will be having a reasonable list turn over.

Geelong bombed out on that trade too mind you, Caddy is a good player but not worth the price paid.

 

[Bacon8]

You want our club to part with our top 2 picks AND a player for a kid ? Our club, the one with 2 years of sanctions and a severe lack of depth everywhere but midfield. In effect your trading away 3 players for one when in all likelihood we will be having a reasonable list turn over.

Geelong bombed out on that trade too mind you, Caddy is a good player but not worth the price paid.

A "/" means one or the other.

A player could also get us a 2nd from another club.

 

[Mattrox]

OK 3 or 4 standout games out of 24
CEY has had 2 in 3.

How about we measure Aish against his peers? Out of 68 eligible rising stars..... here are a selection of KPIs that might be useful for an outside midfielder. He's top 5 in a lot and top 10 in a couple.

 

[Bacon8]

Its not. If he'd gone 17 to Hawthorn how many games would he have played.
The answer is 0 and you know it.

What were Aish's numbers at Box Hill like?

Could he have played the 4 games that Ben Ross played for Hawks last year? You know, the rookie they delisted....
Could he have played the 7 games that Billy Hartung played, who was Pick 24 in Aish's draft?
Could he have played the 6 games that Mitch Hallahan played, who they traded for 2 3rd rounders?

You cannot definitively state Aish would have played 0 games at Hawks, when you actually look at who did play for them last year.

 

[hey shorty]

A "/" means one or the other.

A player could also get us a 2nd from another club.

Right I get ya.

If we trade a 2nd we must find another one from somewhere, preferably in the early 20s. We dont want a Ryder situation where we give away our top 2 and be left with a first pick in the 50s

 

[Bacon8]

Yep let's get into a complicated trade with multiple clubs and multiple players which will likely go to the trade deadline as those trades always do and give aish the impetus to just say "bugger it I'll go to port".

Also on this, did Polec say "bugger it I'll go to crows", when they to-ed & fro-ed over him, and there was talk of multiple clubs getting involved??

 

[lincsPJ]

Its not. If he'd gone 17 to Hawthorn how many games would he have played.
The answer is 0 and you know it.

this is a redundant argument. if james was the "17th best" player in the draft we might not even be having this conversation.
1 of the top half a dozen young mids in the game would have played senior footy for hawthorn. not 21 like at brisbane, but he certainly would have played. you're kidding yourself if you think over a 25 games season if wouldve spent then entire season at box hill.

 

[Mattrox]

What were Aish's numbers at Box Hill like?

Could he have played the 4 games that Ben Ross played for Hawks last year? You know, the rookie they delisted....
Could he have played the 7 games that Billy Hartung played, who was Pick 24 in Aish's draft?
Could he have played the 6 games that Mitch Hallahan played, who they traded for 2 3rd rounders?

You cannot definitively state Aish would have played 0 games at Hawks, when you actually look at who did play for them last year.

And besides even if the Hawthorn team had no space for him it is no argument against us getting him because he is a very good youngster in an area of dire need.

But your point is well made.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Aish + Brisbane's 2nd for Adelaide's 1st + Jenkins.

Bris 2nd + Adel 2nd + Lyons for Henderson and Yarran. (essentially 3 picks in the 20-35 range for Henderson and Yarran).

What is Henderson's pick value on his own?

 

[DangerSloane]

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Out of the 68 eligible rising stars how many played 20+ games? Pretty stupid to compare him to players that a) didnt play or b) played less than 15 games.
I know you're looking at averages, but there would be plenty of guys who would've averaged those numbers given a whole season of play on a rubbish team.

 

[Draft Bored]

If we do a deal with Brisbane I have this gut feeling that we'll be the first club to exercise the option to trade future draft picks.

It's pretty much a lock that they're coming in and I wouldnt be surprised because Brisbane are huge advocates for their introduction that they'll want a deal done along those lines for Aish (should he decide to leave)

Are future picks coming in this year? I highly doubt it. I hope so though!

 

[hey shorty]

And besides even if the Hawthorn team had no space for him it is no argument against us getting him because he is a very good youngster in an area of dire need.

But your point is well made.

An area of dire need ?? Didnt realise he was a key defender.

 

[hey shorty]

Question for those draft minded folk. At this early stage who are the best mids in this draft year and are any of them SA lads.

Love to have Aish but is there anything in our system worth looking at

 

[Redleg Crow]

What needs do you think we have?

Nothing in the midfield. Possibly some speed, but I'm not too fussed.

Another KPF/ruckman given JJ is pretty hit or miss (I actually don't mind JJ, I think he did well last year, I do wish he hit the packs a bit more, but I don't see a lot more improvement coming, at least not as much as I thought there would be 2-3 years ago), a cover for Hartigan if he doesn't progress as well all hope.

 

[Redleg Crow]

Sure he is not going to be a Dangerfield or Selwood, but I think he will develop into a Scott Pendlebury type - that seems to magically slow down everyone around him when he has the ball..

I think you're right - if he is going to be great, being a Pendlebury type is I think the most likely comparison. And that sure as heck ain't nothing to sneeze at. I suspect my concerns are more my inclination to temper the Norwood side of me who all prior to his draft thought how wonderful he would be, to now thinking, ok, do we need him? Do we take the risk trading for him in the hope of getting a Pendlebury, knowing the likelihood is just as strong (if not more) that he ends up being a Gibbs.

As with all trades it comes down to what we give up. At the moment I'm not inclined to pay overs for him.

Of course if we do trade for him I will instantly turn into thinking him a chance to be the greatest Crow ever

 

[Redleg Crow]

Question for those draft minded folk. At this early stage who are the best mids in this draft year and are any of them SA lads.

Love to have Aish but is there anything in our system worth looking at

Here's an early look
http://www.sen.com.au/news/04-15/first-look-at-the-2015-afl-draft-big-board

 

[Roo Lives Again]

Aish + Brisbane's 2nd for Adelaide's 1st + Jenkins.

Bris 2nd + Adel 2nd + Lyons for Henderson and Yarran. (essentially 3 picks in the 20-35 range for Henderson and Yarran).

What is Henderson's pick value on his own?

Christ almighty no. You don't trade a big man who is starting. Even if u don't rate the guy he's still great depth in an area we don't have depth. Why is it that people want to pay overs when other teams always pay unders when a player nominated a team?

Sydney would've gotten Tippet for a 1st and White. Our first (should be a late first) plus kerridge (mid sized mid/forward player for a mid). Deal done.

 

[Mattrox]

Out of the 68 eligible rising stars how many played 20+ games? Pretty stupid to compare him to players that a) didnt play or b) played less than 15 games.
I know you're looking at averages, but there would be plenty of guys who would've averaged those numbers given a whole season of play on a rubbish team.

You defeated your own argument. If he's good enough to play 21 games....In addition, most draftees can't hack 21 games before general soreness wipes them out. Very good player, and durable.

We are not talking totals, averages. So we can compare different number of games played

 

[DangerSloane]

You defeated your own argument. If he's good enough to play 21 games....In addition, most draftees can't hack 21 games before general soreness wipes them out. Very good player, and durable.

We are not talking totals, averages. So we can compare different number of games played

You reckon Matt Crouch wouldnt have played 21 games last year for Brisbane?
What about Lyons? What about Grigg?

All of them would've played the full season in Brisbane's side last year.