Jay-Z appreciation thread

[rick James]

You have so little knowledge on pac that you're not worth arguing with.

Do you disagree that Pac was a back up dancer?

Do you disagree that he started acting gangster to make money/at Suge's direction?

 

[wce4premiership]

Do you disagree that Pac was a back up dancer?

Do you disagree that he started acting gangster to make money/at Suge's direction?

I dont disagree that he was a backup dancer but he was always gangster, suge did not make him a gangster.

 

[wce4premiership]

exactly, pac's "legacy" has grown over the years due to teenagers waering his t-shirts

pac was a rapist, not a thug, he never did anything of his "thug" antics whilst he wasnt with death row

suge made him who he was

lol i've never seen anyone wear a pac shirt. He pleaded innocent to rape, you can't prove he did it and yes he was a thug b4 death row.

 

[rick James]

I dont disagree that he was a backup dancer but he was always gangster, suge did not make him a gangster.

Then you need to read a little more about Pac.

The guy basically took his persona from Juice, and applied it to his music career. Making every young idiot who got into hiphop ten years after his death think that he was some revolutionary/gangsta.

The most "gangsta" rappers I've heard are Freddie Foxxx, MOP, Beanie Siegel, and C Murder.

As far as who is more gangsta than Pac, well, Jay-Z would definitely qualify, the guy was able to start his own label on the back of his crack selling profits.

 

[wce4premiership]

Then you need to read a little more about Pac.

The guy basically took his persona from Juice, and applied it to his music career. Making every young idiot who got into hiphop ten years after his death think that he was some revolutionary/gangsta.

The most "gangsta" rappers I've heard are Freddie Foxxx, MOP, Beanie Siegel, and C Murder.

As far as who is more gangsta than Pac, well, Jay-Z would definitely qualify, the guy was able to start his own label on the back of his crack selling profits.

Pac grew up in the 'ghetto' and around bad people, he did not create this persona of gangster and niether did suge, he was just like that. Jay z has had his ghetto pass revoked a long long time ago. Ask Jay z who was the best and i'm sure he will mention pac.

 

[rick James]

Pac grew up in the 'ghetto' and around bad people, he did not create this persona of gangster and niether did suge, he was just like that. Jay z has had his ghetto pass revoked a long long time ago. Ask Jay z who was the best and i'm sure he will mention pac.

Jay-Z grows up in Brooklyn's Marcy Projects, and moved a lot of weight.

Pac grew up in Baltimore and attended a private acting school. You don't know sh*t mate.

 

[Scott MacFlaherty]

Pac grew up in the 'ghetto' and around bad people, he did not create this persona of gangster and niether did suge, he was just like that. Jay z has had his ghetto pass revoked a long long time ago. Ask Jay z who was the best and i'm sure he will mention pac.

Probably pretty sure he would mention BIG first and foremost, like he does in half of his tracks.

From what you've said your knowledge of hip hop is based on radio play and the mythology behind Tupac. Awesome basis for an argument

 

[wce4premiership]

Jay-Z grows up in Brooklyn's Marcy Projects, and moved a lot of weight.

Pac grew up in Baltimore and attended a private acting school. You don't know sh*t mate.

Pav moved around lots of different places. I know more then you, you seem to be uneducated on the matter.

 

[wce4premiership]

Probably pretty sure he would mention BIG first and foremost, like he does in half of his tracks.

From what you've said your knowledge of hip hop is based on radio play and the mythology behind Tupac. Awesome basis for an argument

My knowledge of hip hop is my opinion based on t.v, word of mouth from people who know, radio, websites, general gossip, mythology and facts. He would mention biggie of course as he was part of the "east side" when biggie and pac ad beef, pac disses jay z on the original version of hit em up but he was convinced to leave it out and that is the silent part at the end of hi em up when pac is yelling at everyone. Jay z had a lot of respect for pac and would mentionhim among the best if not the best.

 

[CrazyQ]

My knowledge of hip hop is my opinion based on t.v, word of mouth from people who know, radio, websites, general gossip, mythology and facts. He would mention biggie of course as he was part of the "east side" when biggie and pac ad beef, pac disses jay z on the original version of hit em up but he was convinced to leave it out and that is the silent part at the end of hi em up when pac is yelling at everyone. Jay z had a lot of respect for pac and would mentionhim among the best if not the best.

Would not say he is the best, 100%.

 

[rick James]

Pav moved around lots of different places. I know more then you, you seem to be uneducated on the matter.

He moved from Brooklyn (when he was very young) to Baltimore.

They were the places he moved. Two.

Jay-Z grew up in Marcy Projects, housing commission. He was an exceedingly well known crack dealer at the ripe old age of 14 and was able to personally finance a start up record label in Rocafella records.

Pac died broke. For such a gangsta, he made a nasty habit of not getting paid and instead getting extorted by other gangstas.

The fact Jay-z was able to sell out madison square garden to a predominantly black audience should show that his 'ghetto pass' is far from revoked.

Never mind, I'm tipping you weren't' 'of age' when Pac was actually alive and you'
ve bit into his legacy via Eminem's and 50 cent's copycat imagery of tupac.

Good for you, at least you like Hiphop, I just feel sorry for you that you believe all that crap.

But then when I was younger I did as well, so hopefully one day you'll grow out of it and start to learn some respect for the better mc's both alive and dead.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

I aint a huge fan of HOV, go listen to cam'ron's - swagger jacker track, you will learn a bit about h to the izzo.

pac is and always will be the greatest poet/lyricist and one of if not the greatest rapper, he changed the face of black culture in america through the early 90's and changed hip hop forever and for that he will always be my favourite artist.

this is some vintage curtis, just so you all can realise 50 isnt as crap as you all make out, the majority of 50 haters are game d*ck riders anyway, the proof is in the pudding, game has sold 860,000 record in the u.s he hasnt even reached platinum, he went 2x plat with the documentary, he also proclaimed that if the doctors advocate didnt go platinum in its first week he would retire, this guy talks utter garbage. with out the aid of 50 and dre he is half the star he could have been, he has talents dont get me wrong, but he lacks the industry smarts and he aint no music maker, he can rap and he can do it real good but he cant make good music, if you catch my drift.
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He is not universally rated the best rapper. I would say anyone with more then a basic interest in rap would not claim Pac was the greatest ever. Tupac is rated as the best by people who's entire collection comprises of Death Row records.

Keeping it real? Tupac was not a gangster. I believe Pac could have become so much more then he did, but signing with Death Row held him back....

makavelli records was where he was headed but he got shot in front of hundreds of people on one of the busiest streets in america, yet there are no witness' he had to sign with death row in the first place to get outa the slammer, without the money suge put up for him he would never have had the career he did, he was planning on getting out of death row all together, just like dre and snoop did, but something went wrong something doesnt add up. also go check out a group called the Havenotz have a read and u can see he had intentions of leaving death row. and please tupac was far realer than 90% of the studio gangsters that strut around these days.

I have never heard anyone say Tupac is the best rapper ever. Heard plenty say BIG, Jay-Z, KRS One and Rakim, but never Tupac.

He influenced a lot of rappers, especially anyone that claims to be a "thug" but the best ever... please.

Listen to Ready to Die, Illmatic or the Blueprint and compare them to anything Tupac could put together.

And 50 being the biggest gangsta, hugely questionable as well. He is probably the most heavily publised. But wasn;t The Game a Crip or a Blood and Snoop was in the rival gang. Thats pretty hardcore.

go watch a few interviews with a fella called big fase 100 yor perseption of game may change a little.

Seriously, your comment is pathetic. Pac was a back up dancer who turned gangster to make money.

FACT.

you are correct, pac was heavily into drama when he was in his teens he loved poetry and was a law abiding kid, but people do go off the rails as he did, due mainly to his mothers addiction to crack and the fact he was in an unstable environment, him being a backup dancer in a group doesn't make him any less of a gangster, he has to get into the industry somehow. by the way, people like 50 got into the industry by making a diss track towards all the mainstream rappers. and game was on a game show before he was famous, does that make him any less hard?

yeah the game's brother is a blood and snoop is a crip (but not hardcore into it, he has better things to do) but yeah i watched a doco on the game and him and his brother were both put into foster homes as boys coz their dad was a psycho and his older bro ended up in a bloods part of compton and he was placed in a home in a crip part of compton and i dono he was only like 8 or 9 years old and so he still hung out with his brother and yeah he was accused of gangbangin and all that and i'm pretty sure he is a blood now... 50 is from Southside Queens anyway so he ain't part of the hardcore L.A gangsta sh*t

do u think "hardcore la gang sh*t" is the only gang sh*t in america? u think new york isnt a hard place?

 

[rick James]

you are correct, pac was heavily into drama when he was in his teens he loved poetry and was a law abiding kid, but people do go off the rails as he did, due mainly to his mothers addiction to crack and the fact he was in an unstable environment, him being a backup dancer in a group doesn't make him any less of a gangster, he has to get into the industry somehow. by the way, people like 50 got into the industry by making a diss track towards all the mainstream rappers. and game was on a game show before he was famous, does that make him any less hard?

I don't really like 50 or game, but 50's earlier stuff was pretty decent. Game is, well, yeah nothing special.

I don't hate Pac, I just hate how he's become Saint Tupac. I also hate people who lie about his past as if he's Super-thug. The guy got used, exploited and conned. And he ended up dead and broke at the end of it.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

its is far to hard to determine the GROAT, its a matter of opinion, all artist appeal to different people, they have diferent motives and take different steps in the careers that ultimately appeal to one or the other, so trying to discredit some one elses opinion of the GROAT is just stupid. i prefer to put ut a list of all the great rappes and put them on the same level with different abilitys each different from the other. b.i.g had great flow, pac had awsome lyrical content etc.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

I don't really like 50 or game, but 50's earlier stuff was pretty decent. Game is, well, yeah nothing special.

I don't hate Pac, I just hate how he's become Saint Tupac. I also hate people who lie about his past as if he's Super-thug. The guy got used, exploited and conned. And he ended up dead and broke at the end of it.

i hardly think he ended up broke, it is reported he recorded over 700 unreleased tracks prior to his death, he was one of the hardest working SOB's in the game, his death did elivate his status, and thats wat happens when u die in your prime, he has gathered far more money after death than while he was alive. but you cant discredit his up bringing, he was guided into the wrong scene from a young age and was always going to be in a see-saw situation with wat way he would go. he was one of the most contradictorary people i have ever heard, but it all suited him. watching an interview that he did as a 17 year old and then comparing it to when he was in death row, to anyone that didnt do any research on him would make no sense why and how someone can change so dramatically, but it wasnt just the influence of suge, thats for damn sure.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

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[Bourky23]

do u think "hardcore la gang sh*t" is the only gang sh*t in america? u think new york isnt a hard place?

yeah it is but don't go kidding yourself, there is no way it is harder than Compton, Longbeach and South Central in Los Angeles you are seriously lucky to go to bed alive every night there

 

[rick James]

i hardly think he ended up broke, it is reported he recorded over 700 unreleased tracks prior to his death, he was one of the hardest working SOB's in the game, his death did elivate his status, and thats wat happens when u die in your prime, he has gathered far more money after death than while he was alive. but you cant discredit his up bringing, he was guided into the wrong scene from a young age and was always going to be in a see-saw situation with wat way he would go. he was one of the most contradictorary people i have ever heard, but it all suited him. watching an interview that he did as a 17 year old and then comparing it to when he was in death row, to anyone that didnt do any research on him would make no sense why and how someone can change so dramatically, but it wasnt just the influence of suge, thats for damn sure.

He was broke. His estate has made millions, yes, but Suge was paying him in sh*t like cars and jewelery instead of money. Making Pac dependent on Suge was all part of his plan.

Not just the influence of Suge, the main influence was Pac's acting career. People started loving him for the characters he portrayed in Juice and Above the Rim so he took that persona on when he signed with Death Row.

Check out his character Bishop in Juice, and then compare that to how he started acting when he got to Death Row.

You know, it's interesting that for all the smack-talking that Death Row did during those years, and how Bad Boy barely said a word back - when the confrontation actually went down at the 96 soul train awards in the car park - Death Row pulled their guns expecting Bad Boy to back down, and what happened?

Bad Boy drew their's right back and dared Death Row to shoot first. Nothing happened.

 

[Antonius]

he was one of the most contradictorary people i have ever heard, but it all suited him. watching an interview that he did as a 17 year old and then comparing it to when he was in death row, to anyone that didnt do any research on him would make no sense why and how someone can change so dramatically, but it wasnt just the influence of suge, thats for damn sure.

Just listen to his song "Case of the Misplaced Mic" - quite hilarious and even includes an anti-drug reference.

 

[Art Corvelay]

makavelli records was where he was headed but he got shot in front of hundreds of people on one of the busiest streets in america, yet there are no witness' he had to sign with death row in the first place to get outa the slammer, without the money suge put up for him he would never have had the career he did, he was planning on getting out of death row all together, just like dre and snoop did, but something went wrong something doesnt add up. also go check out a group called the Havenotz have a read and u can see he had intentions of leaving death row. and please tupac was far realer than 90% of the studio gangsters that strut around these days.

Thread digging a bit, but I'm well aware of Pac's intentions to leave Death Row, and I probably subscribe to the theory that Suge played a part in him getting shot, cause he knew damn well Pac would be taking all of his records etc with him. Suge is one shady mother****er!

Been a 'gangster' nowdays in Hip Hop means **** - it's mostly acting. Probably why I don't listen to gangster hip hop much anymore