Autopsy Jesse Hogan - Worth 220 Points

[ubiquitous226]

I’ve listened to him a bit this week. What strikes me is for a guy who was previously an AFL list manager, his attention to detail seems quite poor actually. He regularly gets little small things about the technical points of the draft incorrect. He wouldn’t fill me with confidence at all if he was running my club as a list manager, put it that way.

I believe he was a recruiter for Collingwood, never got up to the lofty heights of list manager.

 

[tacopavlich]

I stated a fact. Both Connolly and Lyon ended their time at Freo with a win % of 52 (rounded).

A selective fact used to make a false equivalency argument. If you look at coaching records total, they are not comparable. If you want to manipulate the data to better fit your narrative then go ahead but the motive is not lost.

 

[Dockeroo]

I believe he was a recruiter for Collingwood, never got up to the lofty heights of list manager.

Sorry my bad. However you’d imagine a person in the inner sanctum at that level would present much more impressively than he does. There’s dozens of BF posters that would put him in the shade with their knowledge

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

A selective fact used to make a false equivalency argument. If you look at coaching records total, they are not comparable. If you want to manipulate the data to better fit your narrative then go ahead but the motive is not lost.

I was responding to someone who, regarding Lyon, said: “[Lyon is] Pretty good, made more money than possibly any coach in AFL history and unlucky not to win multiple flags.”

So a couple of selective facts that I responded to one of my own. Of course, I could have selected other facts in isolation, like coaching a club to conceding the most consecutive goals in VFL/AFL history. Or coaching a club to the worse one-season ladder decline in VFL/AFL history. But I went for one that is at least a little flattering to Lyon.

I also said that he was the best coach coach we ever had so, by implication, better than Connolly (that, of course, is an opinion not a fact). But the good performances don’t change the bad performances or the reality of his overall record.

People need to stop fawning over a guy who produced some good coaching performances but was not consistently great. It’s not like he was a Clarkson, Matthews, Hardwick, or Malthouse, etc.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

I also said that he was the best coach coach we ever had so, by implication, better than Connolly (that, of course, is an opinion not a fact). But the good performances don’t change the bad performances or the reality of his overall record.

If you're comparing to Connolly surely it's fair to point out Lyon also looked after the teams decline in 2016 and rebuild between 2017 and 2019, while Connolly had a list that should of competed for finals far more than it actually did under him and walked out the door the second it started to turn south?

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

If you're comparing to Connolly surely it's fair to point out Lyon also looked after the teams decline in 2016 and rebuild between 2017 and 2019, while Connolly had a list that should of competed for finals far more than it actually did under him and walked out the door the second it started to turn south?

Well Connolly was sacked, so he didn’t walk. And don’t you think that all the senior Footy managers & CEO/Board deserve to share responsibility for the decline and necessary rebuild? I have always thought it was odd that the only people to low their jobs after 2016 were DeBoer, Barlow, Mzungu, Pearce, etc. rather than the people who made the decisions that resulted in the list needing to be rebuilt.

In the end, pro sport is about winning. You can come up with all the excuses you want but the results are in the book.

 

[Purple Jesus]

If you're comparing to Connolly surely it's fair to point out Lyon also looked after the teams decline in 2016 and rebuild between 2017 and 2019, while Connolly had a list that should of competed for finals far more than it actually did under him and walked out the door the second it started to turn south?

Short memory? Cuddles was sacked and his assistant, Harvs, was caretaker.

 

[Kapow!!!]

I can see Cox play games up forward next season if the other tall backs are not injured

Couldn't disagree with this more. Needs to bed down one position and he's far more gifted as a defender. If we're counting on Cox to be our Hogan replacement then we're stuffed

 

[Joao]

Couldn't disagree with this more. Needs to bed down one position and he's far more gifted as a defender. If we're counting on Cox to be our Hogan replacement then we're stuffed

At this point the Hogan replacement just has to show promise because that is all Hogan has done so far for us. Cox compares favourably to more fancied KPF talent at the same age.

I agree he'd be a better defender (just as Naughton is) but only because its easier.

 

[Yeti]

At this point the Hogan replacement just has to show promise because that is all Hogan has done so far for us. Cox compares favourably to more fancied KPF talent at the same age.

I agree he'd be a better defender (just as Naughton is) but only because its easier.

What is his natural position though? Seems that there has been a huge emphasis by the coaching staff to play players in their natural positions. Cox was U18 AA CHB but played a lot of Junior footy as KPF (I'm shocked that his basketball background isn't referenced more, did you know Pendlebury comes from a basketball background?)

 

[Cesoir]

If we get all our tall backs on the park it will be essential that one of them is able to swing forward, Cox seems the most likely based on past performance.

Unless we want to see Alex Pearce

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or Joel Hamling

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playing at Peel.

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's natural position is key back but necessity forced him forward - you can't play everyone in their natural position all the time unfortunately.

 

[yyou]

Couldn't disagree with this more. Needs to bed down one position and he's far more gifted as a defender. If we're counting on Cox to be our Hogan replacement then we're stuffed

I hope the Hogan replacement is a fit & firing Jesse Hogan

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[ubiquitous226]

Sorry my bad. However you’d imagine a person in the inner sanctum at that level would present much more impressively than he does. There’s dozens of BF posters that would put him in the shade with their knowledge

I think it comes down to what his job was, it was to identify talent, assess character, etc.
General knowledge about the drafting system would be expected as context, but he wouldn't have had to be an expert at that.

He's not the greatest media performer, and is clearly trying to make a name for himself.
The media itself is probably just using him for the 15 minutes of attention, "look an ex-recruiter from a big Melbourne club", great for clicks in the short term.

 

[Joao]

What is his natural position though? Seems that there has been a huge emphasis by the coaching staff to play players in their natural positions. Cox was U18 AA CHB but played a lot of Junior footy as KPF (I'm shocked that his basketball background isn't referenced more, did you know Pendlebury comes from a basketball background?)

I think he is "natural" at both its just that it is easier to play defense, hence he looks better there.

 

[Unique Name]

seeya

 

[mike91]

Officially gone to GWS.

On SM-G781B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Ge3ks]

Its happening;

 

[ChimpaWompa]

this whole venture was doomed the moment we reused a melbourne thread ffs

 

[wayToGo_]

Think it is time for a thread title change...

 

[jimboslice]

I will be so bloody pissed off if we get nothing in this trade. What a waste of time. Him, Bennell and McCarthy can all get stuffed

 

[Altum Volantes]

You’ll come out on top in this - you bought a lemon and someone is willing to take it off your hands.

 

[arsesmart]

Externally seems to have come from Hogan's side. (Hopefully) That says we get more than the fire sale pittance every one in the media has been throwing around.

 

[freoextra]

No details but no going back either. We are clearly desperate to get rid of him.

Guess all we can do is hope something decent is coming through the door like Clark.

The no players with issues is now in full force.

 

[dont bowl there]

I will be so bloody pissed off if we get nothing in this trade. What a waste of time. Him, Bennell and McCarthy can all get stuffed

We will get nothing, blame Bell more than anything. Joke.

 

[stormee]

I’m going to be very dirty with the club when we’re struggling to kick scores next year, again, and have a makeshift forward line.