Injury Jimmy Bartel - concussion

[mac_cat]

I was very surprised to see that Jimmy was named in the extended squad this week, given his history of concussions, and relieved to see that even though he "trained strongly" on Thursday, he's now been withdrawn from the team.

Given the increasing evidence from the US about the long-term detrimental effects of multiple concussions, I was also shocked to read in this article that Jimmy has had at least 11 previous concussions. I knew he'd had a number of them, and a few serious ones, but not so many.

The article says he had his brain scanned in 2011 after the two serious concussions, and saw the same neurologist and had another brain scan this week.

“We have done testing in the past surrounding Jim because of his concussions and we spoke to that neurologist,’’ Hocking said.

“After speaking to him and having his expertise factored into, a decision was made not to play him. It is the best thing for his wellbeing.

He said Bartel would continue to have brain scans to ensure he did not suffer continuing ill effects of his concussions.

The problem with that is the on-going brain scans won't do anything to prevent any cumulative ill effects of the concussions, they might just show the evidence of the brain damage that is occurring, but can't be prevented. Nothing is worth risking long-term brain damage, but the problem is, by the time you pick anything up in the testing, it may already be too late.

I wonder at what point Jimmy, or any other player in a similar situation, pulls the plug and says the risk of further concussions is too great?

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ji...rcher-on-dangers/story-fndv8haf-1227299224207

 

[Teriyakicat]

I was pleased that he was eventually taken off the team sheet for this weekend. A six day turnaround, regardless of his previous history of concussions, is madness. No doubt he'd be wanting to get out on the field but maybe he can sit up in the coaching box and watch and learn something from being there instead.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

100% the right call, I said as soon as he hit the ground on Monday and just laid there that he should not be playing next week, I'd even go as far as giving him an extra week off, these things are not to be taken lightly, concussions are serious stuff. He has had 11 now, a few serious, shouldn't rush him back in.

 

[Rainfall]

I wonder at what point Jimmy, or any other player in a similar situation, pulls the plug and says the risk of further concussions is too great?

No! Jimmy should be the next 300th gamer after Boris. That's one guy I don't want pulling the plug.

 

[Teriyakicat]

100% the right call, I said as soon as he hit the ground on Monday and just laid there that he should not be playing next week, I'd even go as far as giving him an extra week off, these things are not to be taken lightly, concussions are serious stuff. He has had 11 now, a few serious, shouldn't rush him back in.

The article said he hasn't had any for a few years now. Not that that means a whole lot....

 

[Rainfall]

The article said he hasn't had any for a few years now. Not that that means a whole lot....

As long as he doesn't have a clash like Jono Brown did last year we should be fine.

 

[Teriyakicat]

As long as he doesn't have a clash like Jono Brown did last year we should be fine.

JB had a few, too, didn't he?

 

[Rainfall]

JB had a few, too, didn't he?

Yeah but I don't know if he had more than 11? Considering Bartel had just 10 in his first 8 seasons is concerning when you think about all the seasons he didn't have a concussion. Quick succession.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Yeah but I don't know if he had more than 11? Considering Bartel had just 10 in his first 8 seasons is concerning when you think about all the seasons he didn't have a concussion. Quick succession.

Bartel probably had some that escaped the medical staff's notice, too. It's 11 that they KNOW ABOUT

 

[Vdubs]

Bartel probably had some that escaped the medical staff's notice, too. It's 11 that they KNOW ABOUT

As said elsewhere, this is definitely the stuff that leads to early retirement. Not that it is that early really, but 11-12 concussions is just asking for it.

 

[Teriyakicat]

As said elsewhere, this is definitely the stuff that leads to early retirement. Not that it is that early really, but 11-12 concussions is just asking for it.

I'd be OK with that, Vdubs, as long as he got stuck straight into making bambini with Nadia

 

[manboob]

If he retired tomorrow I'd be pretty accepting. He's been one of my favourite players but shit I know how bad it is after 1 concussion I couldn't imagine 10...

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Yeah I've only been concussed once and it was 3 weeks ago, took no further part in the game and the next few days after it threw me around a bit, felt lazy, dizziness, thumping headaches, was just shit, couldn't imagine having 10.

I'd say if jimmy cops another big hit to the head this season he may just hang up the boots, and no one can blame him.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I was reading an old article last night about Jimmy's concussion and he said he was out shopping one day and he was walking around and around the shops but couldn't remember what he'd gone into the shops for. He seemed quite disturbed by that.

Welcome to MY world, Jimmy!


Seriously, though- things like that can really shock young people- it's not until they have unusual lapses of memory that they realise that all is NQR- but there are other signs of brain damage (both temporary and permanent) that can go completely unnoticed. Things like subtle changes in behaviour are really hard to pin down as being caused by a knock to the head, and are often ignored.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

No! Jimmy should be the next 300th gamer after Boris. That's one guy I don't want pulling the plug.

Nah. Would rather hear him clearly recounting past glories as a 50 year old than hear about him having health problems as a 50 year old. 300 is just a number. He has done enough to pull the pin now if health is a concern.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I was very surprised to see that Jimmy was named in the extended squad this week, given his history of concussions, and relieved to see that even though he "trained strongly" on Thursday, he's now been withdrawn from the team.

Given the increasing evidence from the US about the long-term detrimental effects of multiple concussions, I was also shocked to read in this article that Jimmy has had at least 11 previous concussions. I knew he'd had a number of them, and a few serious ones, but not so many.

The article says he had his brain scanned in 2011 after the two serious concussions, and saw the same neurologist and had another brain scan this week.



The problem with that is the on-going brain scans won't do anything to prevent any cumulative ill effects of the concussions, they might just show the evidence of the brain damage that is occurring, but can't be prevented. Nothing is worth risking long-term brain damage, but the problem is, by the time you pick anything up in the testing, it may already be too late.

I wonder at what point Jimmy, or any other player in a similar situation, pulls the plug and says the risk of further concussions is too great?

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ji...rcher-on-dangers/story-fndv8haf-1227299224207

Is the US evidence from their footy code, or from all sport? NFL players wear helmets, so that would suggest there is little that helmets do to protect players?
Are there any former AFL players who now suffer brain damage as a result of multiple concussions? Polly Farmer has Alzheimer's, but is that a result of multiple concussions from when he played?

What I find of interest is that "Bartel has become the first high-profile test case for the AFL’s hard-line stance on players returning from concussion."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...se-for-new-rules/story-fni5f6yf-1227294761424
My concern about the incident is that Diarrhoea had hold of Bartel's arms, preventing him from breaking his fall + that resulted in Bartel's head being smashed into the ground. Sling tackles were banned + while I'm loathe to suggest the addition of yet another rule, it was a horrible tackle!

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Bartel probably had some that escaped the medical staff's notice, too. It's 11 that they KNOW ABOUT

But that's not counting the bumps he had pre-AFL - his Mum used to make him wear a helmet, but he was told that if he wanted to play AFL to stop wearing it because it made him look slow.

I was reading an old article last night about Jimmy's concussion and he said he was out shopping one day and he was walking around and around the shops but couldn't remember what he'd gone into the shops for. He seemed quite disturbed by that.

Welcome to MY world, Jimmy!


Seriously, though- things like that can really shock young people- it's not until they have unusual lapses of memory that they realise that all is NQR- but there are other signs of brain damage (both temporary and permanent) that can go completely unnoticed. Things like subtle changes in behaviour are really hard to pin down as being caused by a knock to the head, and are often ignored.

I do that all the time + I've never had a concussion As you say Teri, "Welcome to MY world, Jimmy!" lol Although, I think pregnancy brain could be worse

Nah. Would rather hear him clearly recounting past glories as a 50 year old than hear about him having health problems as a 50 year old. 300 is just a number. He has done enough to pull the pin now if health is a concern.

While I have to agree with you Reg, especially when you see Mohammad Ali affected by Alzheimer's, I do see the sentiment in Rainfall's comment of wanting to see Bartel play 300 games. If we have to strike a happy medium, then the suggestion by Teriyakicat for Jimmy + Nadia to commence baby-making is the way to go

 

[dazbroncos]

Helmets just mean they hit harder…. Its proportional...

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[FredLeDeux]

The NFL has just agreed to a $1 billion settlement with ex-players suing over concussion, while avoiding a concession that it causes neuro injuries.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Scott and most of the coaches say each time every incident and every player is unique we need to treat them as such. And trust the medical professionals when it comes to making a decision. I totally agree with this and would add that it's best to always be the cautious side of things.
Geelong mostly does try to stay on the cautious side when it comes with injuries I believe.

I had many concussions playing football and never suffered any lasting side effects (except for occasional bloody noses from being whacked in the nose a few too many times). Everyone's body is different and every hot is different.

 

[Turbocat]

Helmets just mean they hit harder…. Its proportional...

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I remember reading something somewhere that , the padding used in gloves in boxing and in helmets for contact sports may actually contribute to brain damage. While preventing external probs , it allows longer and lasting bouncing of the brain. If have no idea if its correct but one can see that making some sort sense.
Again in Gridiron , don't they almost get trained to use helmets as a tactical device? Has even Soccer had some sort of issues with the "Header".

Its a complicated issue , and it seems knowledgable medical professionals have differing opinions , and some sport may even be endangered if we look to protect combatants from probably long term issues.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I remember reading something somewhere that , the padding used in gloves in boxing and in helmets for contact sports may actually contribute to brain damage. While preventing external probs , it allows longer and lasting bouncing of the brain. If have no idea if its correct but one can see that making some sort sense.
Again in Gridiron , don't they almost get trained to use helmets as a tactical device? Has even Soccer had some sort of issues with the "Header".

Its a complicated issue , and it seems knowledgable medical professionals have differing opinions , and some sport may even be endangered if we look to protect combatants from probably long term issues.

Possibly, also, when you're wearing a helmet, you do to take as much care as you might when not wearing one. "Don't worry- the helmet will protect my head" rather than going with your natural instinct to pull back so your head doesn't hit as hard.

 

[dazbroncos]

The number of NFL concussions that occur to getting kneed or kicked in the head seems, to me , to match what happens in the AFL.

The helmet is not the safety refuge it appears on first glance.

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