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Southerntakeover said:
I think Moran is being drastically overrated.
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i agree. i don't believe he is in our best 22.
i remember him tapping to advantage every now and then, ...but from the possessions he did rack up in some of those games i remember him from...they were mostly link possession...running along the wing and bombing it to no one in particular.
 
cmndstab said:
You may be correct, come to think of it. I definitely remember Moran's failure, I just thought Sellar was similarly disappointing. Hey, it was 12 months ago, my memory's not that good :p

Edit: Wait, didn't Lynch kick four goals in the last quarter of that game? Again, my memory is pretty bad so I may have it wrong, but we must have replaced Moran pretty damn late...
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Moran definitely went off before half time, and Lynch did kick 3 late ones, but from memory they were all from well outside 50 and some may have come whilst he was spending time in the ruck. I think the main thing was, was that he gave a good contest, hell we are talking a 1 gamer here versus a bloke who's been round for years, Moran didn't give that contest. The feeling, IIRC at the time, was that he probably wasn't ready to be a KPD at AFL level, but that there was something to work with, as opposed to Moran who was stamped "never play in defence again".
 
James_37 said:
Moran definitely went off before half time, and Lynch did kick 3 late ones, but from memory they were all from well outside 50 and some may have come whilst he was spending time in the ruck. I think the main thing was, was that he gave a good contest, hell we are talking a 1 gamer here versus a bloke who's been round for years, Moran didn't give that contest. The feeling, IIRC at the time, was that he probably wasn't ready to be a KPD at AFL level, but that there was something to work with, as opposed to Moran who was stamped "never play in defence again".
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Moran will do just fine as long as he stays out of both 50m zones.
 

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I agree with STO its hard to know where some of these opinions come from. Particularly how moran had established himself had won over the coaching staff etc etc. Its true moran was starting to show something but these premises are pure fantasy.

For example sellar polled more b&f votes in total than moran, and even on a per game average ave the same. plainly the coaches do NOT feel the pecking order was as plain as has been claimed
 
I don't rate him and frankly I don't see him as part of our next premiership team. Don't mean to be to harsh on the young fella but I just don't think he has what it takes to become the gun ruckman we need. I would much rather give McKernan every chance to stake his claim. Kind of like a 'give him 22 and judge him at then end of the season' type approach because Shaun has the goods. Could make a scary addition to Tippett and Walker in the fwds too.

So at this stage of the season from what i've seen/heard/read/believe i think our rucks should be Maric, McKernan and Tippett. Maybe 60%, 30%, 10% of the ruck duties respectively. McKernan can rest forward.

IMO Moran should be leading the race if injury occurs whilst also keeping Maric honest. And throw a blanket over Griffin/Sellar. Probably going to get ripped to shreds but that's how i see it.
 
I remember back to when he Sellar was first drafted, we all hoped he would be our next CHF. However at the time Colin Wisbey picked him to be a natural CHB

"Should be very versatile but especially has the makings of an outstanding CHB (although his preference is CHF). An exciting, and rare, combination of not only leap, 195cm, marking strength, defensive and negating skills, cool head and smarts but, importantly, the pace and confidence to give regular run and linking out of defence and roost the ball long to a target. I foresee him regularly turning defence into goal-scoring opportunities. I also think he is more suited to the straight ahead aspects of CHB than the "stop/start" of CHF."

How long did Bock take to display the makings of a genuine CHB? I think we need to give Jimmy some more time.

I expect him to play perhaps another 6-10 games this year for us, but more importantly, to start showing periods of dominance in the SANFL. If he can do that in 2010, i think it will be a good year for him.
 
I'm in the give Sellar a fair go camp.

He's only 20 for god's sake - 21 on 24 March - and has played a dozen games already, most of which have been useful.

I thought his efforts in crunch games towards the year end weren't too bad at all.

Let's just sit back and see how he goes over the next year or two.

He doesn't deserve some of the condemnation he's had from some posters at such a young age.
 
Yeah, agreed. Still a kid, time very much on his side. I'm not going to lie and say I see a genuinely high quality AFL player in him, but he's clearly working hard and we'll see where that leads.
 
Am in the 'Give Jimmy a chance' camp.

Think that plenty of us are judging him far far too early. I think many people dismissed him when in 2008 he was dropped to Glenelg's reserve side and struggled to make an impact in the two's....

Since then I think he has impressed everyone at AFC with his work ethic. Has put on considerable bulk and I think looks pretty good for a 20year old KPP. Think that he will take over Rutten's role at Fullback within 2 years and will be a great combination with Talia (who will take over Bock's role in 3 years)...

Also think as he matures and gets bigger he will become an enforcer in our side... He has a real bit of 'agro' about him, that will only grow as he becomes more confident.

Having said that, you can probably dismiss what I say as I am a 'one-eyed' bays supporter and would love a Glenelg boy to become an integral part of the crows side...

Plus - perhaps we are also forgetting a very big positive about him - was best mates with Gibbs and can perhaps influence him to leave the Blues
 
cmndstab said:
... but as Vader has said, Sellar's relatively good form last year came when nobody else was there to take his spot. As good as Sellar's form was last year........
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but isnt it irrelevant that he got the opportunity to play due to injury by the others?
the point is that once he played, his performances were actually quite good.
 
johnnypanther said:
but isnt it irrelevant that he got the opportunity to play due to injury by the others?
the point is that once he played, his performances were actually quite good.
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If he had outperformed the performances that came before him, then you would be right. And clearly, in the opinion of some, he did do exactly that. In my opinion, the performances on the year saw him as a clear third, ahead of Griffin but behind Maric and Moran.
 

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In re-watching the games from last year, I have to say that my opinion about Moran has changed. He was ok, had good patches but overall there was still a lot that he needed to work on.

Sellar had impressed me with his work off the ball. His ability to fill the hole when needed and interestingly enough his ability to point to the better options that his teammates should be choosing was a highlight. His decision making when he isn't the one with the ball and under immediate pressure is considerably better (with the options he was pointing out to teammates) but that is true of pretty much every player.

My opinion could also be coloured by the fact that his performances were later in the year and hence fresher in my mind.

You only have to look at the vision from training yesterday with the tackle that he placed on Rory. Rory had no idea he was there when he turned and it was a great tackle, low and strong.

Sellar's ability, like Moran's, to play defence and forward as well as in the Ruck is a great asset to our team.
 
cmndstab said:
If he had outperformed the performances that came before him, then you would be right. And clearly, in the opinion of some, he did do exactly that. In my opinion, the performances on the year saw him as a clear third, ahead of Griffin but behind Maric and Moran.
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In the opinion of the club, he did... atleast as far as Moran is concerned.
 
Southerntakeover said:
In the opinion of the club, he did... atleast as far as Moran is concerned.
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Fair enough. They probably know better than me, and I'm certainly not going to claim they are wrong, but I'd be lying if I said, in my opinion, that Sellar had performed as well as Moran overall.
 
AFC979810 said:
Plus - perhaps we are also forgetting a very big positive about him - was best mates with Gibbs and can perhaps influence him to leave the Blues
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We drafted Hartlett, Austin and Garlett just to keep Russell, Gibbs and Yarran happy and at Carlton. :rolleyes: :D

Using the Gibbs angle and a comment that he might not make it as a KPP at the Crows, what would the Crows want for Sellar? :confused:

Besides Gibbs. :cool:

I wouldn't be shocked to see Carlton use our depth of mids, mediums and rucks to target a KPP.

Sellar should be given time.

Waite and Clark were top age, yet they didn't click until they were 22...
 

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NikkiNoo said:
In re-watching the games from last year, I have to say that my opinion about Moran has changed. He was ok, had good patches but overall there was still a lot that he needed to work on.

Sellar had impressed me with his work off the ball. His ability to fill the hole when needed and interestingly enough his ability to point to the better options that his teammates should be choosing was a highlight. His decision making when he isn't the one with the ball and under immediate pressure is considerably better (with the options he was pointing out to teammates) but that is true of pretty much every player.

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:thumbsu: at last a voice of reason ......for a minute (if you believe some posts) it was sounding like Moran was going to be the next Adam Goodes :p
 
from alice springs, i don't get to see all games, but what i saw of moran before he was injured impressed me. i thought his ruckwork was pretty good and his linkwork through the middle was adding a dimension to our ruck that i hadn't seen recently, if at all. rutten, bock, stevens, moran, maric, hentshel and tippett would all likely be selected in our best 22 with stevens either 3rd def tall or bench. they represent nearly 1/3rd of the team and if they are all on the park together for half the year then we are doing very well. if sellar can't get ahead of maric or moran in ruck, i see him as being first backup for all those players and i expect (barring his own injury) that he will play quite a few games this year. i wouldn't have picked him as being only 20 last year.
 

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