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The_Wookie said:
They DONT have the right to rest players from a senior match to play in a "match simulation". Sure they can, if they are resting. And it is absolutely disrespectful, but what else is new...
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So no other club has ever rested players from the NAB Challenge and subsequently trained the **** out of them? Hawthorn's senior coach couldn't even be ****ed doing his job last week or this ffs.

Drawing a long bow here wook.
 
Dave said:
So no other club has ever rested players from the NAB Challenge and subsequently trained the **** out of them? Hawthorn's senior coach couldn't even be stuffed doing his job last week or this ffs.

Drawing a long bow here wook.
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No drawing a long bow is Essendon making the assumption that they can continue to skirt rules with a "match simulation" and have nobody notice. You can rest a player from a game, sure, but like the AFL says, you cant be involved in any kind of competitive environment that week too. Which is of course, exactly what happened.

And while Hawthorns senior coach may have taken the week off, he wasnt at Box Hill coaching a friggin "match simulation" instead was he?
 

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The_Wookie said:
No drawing a long bow is Essendon making the assumption that they can continue to skirt rules with a "match simulation" and have nobody notice. You can rest a player from a game, sure, but like the AFL says, you cant be involved in any kind of competitive environment that week too. Which is of course, exactly what happened.

And while Hawthorns senior coach may have taken the week off, he wasnt at Box Hill coaching a friggin "match simulation" instead was he?
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He also didn't go to the afl asking for permission to bring in a coach from another club because they didn't have enough etc.
 
Dave said:
Bullshit.
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They're not my rules mate.
"Player means a person who is or has been included on a Club's list, a person eligible to be so included, a person bound to a Club or a person who has nominated for any AFL draft"
This list would obviously include anyone under 18 years of age too.
 
The_Wookie said:
No drawing a long bow is Essendon making the assumption that they can continue to skirt rules with a "match simulation" and have nobody notice. You can rest a player from a game, sure, but like the AFL says, you cant be involved in any kind of competitive environment that week too. Which is of course, exactly what happened.
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Yes, I'm sure they thought no one would notice.

So intra club competitive work is out too?

And while Hawthorns senior coach may have taken the week off, he wasnt at Box Hill coaching a friggin "match simulation" instead was he?
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Doesn't matter where he was, it shows how seriously all clubs take the NAB challenge. The fact that you all have your panties in a bunch over a game that no one has ever given a **** about is hilarious.
 
Ancient Tiger said:
They're not my rules mate.
"Player means a person who is or has been included on a Club's list, a person eligible to be so included, a person bound to a Club or a person who has nominated for any AFL draft"
This list would obviously include anyone under 18 years of age too.
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Quite true. But there are players who play ARF who are not "players" under that definition.
 
Dave said:
Yes, I'm sure they thought no one would notice.

So intra club competitive work is out too?



Doesn't matter where he was, it shows how seriously all clubs take the NAB challenge. The fact that you all have your panties in a bunch over a game that no one has ever given a **** about is hilarious.
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No it's actually why you shouldn't have top ups unless specifically on a one for one basis, (ideally made public). The potential for abuse is pretty high and frankly your club's administration is hardly regarded as trustworthy.
 
Magruder said:
No it's actually why you shouldn't have top ups unless specifically on a one for one basis, (ideally made public). The potential for abuse is pretty high and frankly your club's administration is hardly regarded as trustworthy.
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Agreed, no issue with that. It's just funny that until now clubs have rested who ever they please from pre season games, and no one would has blinked twice about what sort of training they performed.
 

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Dave said:
So no other club has ever rested players from the NAB Challenge and subsequently trained the **** out of them? Hawthorn's senior coach couldn't even be stuffed doing his job last week or this ffs.

Drawing a long bow here wook.
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Yeah but they didn't have the option of playing some other clubs players.
 
Dave said:
Quite true. But there are players who play ARF who are not "players" under that definition.
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I was actually trying to find this:

Application of AFL Anti-Doping Code to Australian Football Matches

Laws 2.2 and 21 of the Laws of Australian Football provide that the AFL Anti-Doping Code shall apply to all Australian Football Matches. Accordingly, the AFL Anti-Doping Code shall apply to Australian Football Matches that are administered at State and Territory level, and at the community level.

The AFL Anti-Doping Code therefore applies to Australian Football Matches administered by:

  •  NSW/ACT: AFL (NSW/ACT) Commission Ltd (ACN 086 839 385)

  •  NT: AFL (Northern Territory) Ltd (ACN 097 620 525)

  •  QLD: AFL (Queensland) (ACN 090 629 342)

  •  SA: South Australian Football League Inc (ABN 59 518 757 737)

  •  TAS AFL (TAS) (ACN 135 346 986)

  •  Victoria: Australian Football League (Victoria) (ACN 147 664 579);

  •  WA: West Australian Football Commission Inc (ABN 51 167 923 136) (Affiliated State & Territory Bodies)


The AFL Anti-Doping Code also applies to all Australian Football Matches that are administered by the various community bodies that affiliate with (or are licensed by) Affiliated State & Territory Bodies.


Is it still bullshit Dave?
 
Dave said:
Quite true. But there are players who play ARF who are not "players" under that definition.
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This really takes the cake.

From the AFL anti doping code.

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I understand how hard it would've been for you to find this. It's all the way on page 2.
 
Magruder said:
Yeah but they didn't have the option of playing some other clubs players.
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How the **** would anyone know? Do we have a comprehensive list of every player who has missed a pre season game and whether their club engaged in any sort of inter club "match simulation training" on the same weekend? No?
 

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Dave said:
How the **** would anyone know? Do we have a comprehensive list of every player who has missed a pre season game and whether their club engaged in any sort of inter club "match simulation training" on the same weekend? No?
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Ok Dave. When Marc Murphy missed the Nab game against WCE how many players not on the carlton list did we bring in?
 
Ancient Tiger said:
I was actually trying to find this:

Application of AFL Anti-Doping Code to Australian Football Matches

Laws 2.2 and 21 of the Laws of Australian Football provide that the AFL Anti-Doping Code shall apply to all Australian Football Matches. Accordingly, the AFL Anti-Doping Code shall apply to Australian Football Matches that are administered at State and Territory level, and at the community level.

The AFL Anti-Doping Code therefore applies to Australian Football Matches administered by:

  •  NSW/ACT: AFL (NSW/ACT) Commission Ltd (ACN 086 839 385)

  •  NT: AFL (Northern Territory) Ltd (ACN 097 620 525)

  •  QLD: AFL (Queensland) (ACN 090 629 342)

  •  SA: South Australian Football League Inc (ABN 59 518 757 737)

  •  TAS AFL (TAS) (ACN 135 346 986)

  •  Victoria: Australian Football League (Victoria) (ACN 147 664 579);

  •  WA: West Australian Football Commission Inc (ABN 51 167 923 136) (Affiliated State & Territory Bodies)


The AFL Anti-Doping Code also applies to all Australian Football Matches that are administered by the various community bodies that affiliate with (or are licensed by) Affiliated State & Territory Bodies.


Is it still bullshit Dave?
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The code itself states who it applies to.

http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL ... Responsibility/AFL Anti-Doping Code 2014.pdf

3. Application of Code

(a) This Code applies to:
(i) Players, whether in or out of competition;
(ii) Clubs and their Officers;
(iii) Officials; and
(iv) any other Person who is required to comply with this Code from time to time.

Given the definition of Players, Clubs and Officers and Person in the code, there is no way it applies to competitions as stated on the webpage you've quoted.

So yes, it's still bullshit. Though bullshit was a tad harsh.
 
Magruder said:
Ok Dave. When Marc Murphy missed the Nab game against WCE how many players not on the carlton list did we bring in?
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The number the AFL allowed you too, same as Essendon.
 
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