Joe Daniher

[BlueWorld]

No, most of the rest of the "australian football public" couldn't 3/5 th's of SFA about this latest "outrage". It's only the tragics on the HTB who do.

Sure that's why the AFL stepped in to stop you from doing what you seem to believe nobody cares about.

 

[The_Wookie]

I love how you feel the HTB line of thinking is what the general public line of thinking is.

If you seriously think people give two 5ths that there was a "practice simulation grand final biggest training game ever known to man oh my god WHY ARE THEY KICKING A FOOTBALLL ARRRRGGGGGGGHHHH" against Willy then you need to stop reading this board and get out more.

You really think its just about the simulation dont you?

 

[DapperJong]

Nah nah nah fellas wookie is right. The views of the HTB are also shared by people who comment on herald sun articles.

Heads out of the sand please

 

[Bongo Drum]

What'd Eddie say?

Eddie McGuire believes St Kilda would be filthy about Essendon's training session with Williamstown

 

[RegHickeyStand]

The AFL says Brendon Goddard, Joe Daniher and James Gwilt are not permitted to take part in match simulation today.

“We’ve made it very, very clear for the players who weren’t at Essendon in 2012, they can’t participate in that activity,” AFL football operations manager Mark Evans told the the AFL website on Friday.

“It wasn’t agreed to under those principles. We would have thought if Brendon Goddard was to play any competitive football, then that would be in Morwell.”

Can you please find me where they said Daniher specifically because I can only find mention of Goddard in the quote from the AFL, the afl also said "weren't at Essendon" not "listed players in 2012" Unless there is another article stating specific players names I am taking this as Essendon withdrew Daniher to protect his identity, not the AFL prohibiting him from playing.

You have to trust the reporter there a bit. The first para/sentence is not a direct quote, but you have to assume that is the gist of what the writer was told by the AFL.

 

[Jaeger]

Hird got very tense when answering questions about whether the 6 players would play next week.

Won't be surprised if JD has a 'setback' at training during the week.

 

[Boston tiger]

I sort of forgive Essendon at the moment I don't think they'd be thinking too straight down there. They are on the verge of possibly the greatest sporting f..up in history. Organising practice games and not playing players seems pretty insignificant at the moment.
Anyway it's given a few players a NAB game that they would never have got.
That's my 2 cents worth.

 

[wa don]

Hird got very tense when answering questions about whether the 6 players would play next week.

Won't be surprised if JD has a 'setback' at training during the week.

yeah the suspense is killing me.

 

[Magruder]

We all agree that JD didn't get an infraction, yeah? Plenty of evidence to suggest he didn't. Some conjecture and guesswork to suggest he did.

So we can move on to the other conversations and topics that have come up in this thread, ok thanks.

Actually we are far from agreed. There is nothing conclusive either way. If he plays NAB, he obviously doesn't have an IN. Until then we reserve judgement.

 

[davis_756]

You have to trust the reporter there a bit. The first para/sentence is not a direct quote, but you have to assume that is the gist of what the writer was told by the AFL.

NO you don't the AFL were very vague and left it up to essendon, they don't want to be leaking who has show clause notices and getting law suits over it in the future.

He gives you exactly what the AFL said in the next line. Its the reporter who is simply assuming from that Daniher & Co can't play and Essendon aren't going to in their wisdom then play him and give it away. I don't particularly care if he does or doesn't but I am not getting sucked into vague mis-truths and proclaiming them as gospel.

 

[Proper Gander]

Hird got very tense when answering questions about whether the 6 players would play next week.

Won't be surprised if JD has a 'setback' at training during the week.

Hird is looking tense in media full stop though, not just about the NAB bizzo.

What's eating him? Is Sheedy waiting in the wings to chloroform James the moment he starts sounding like a dipstick again?

 

[The_Wookie]

NO you don't the AFL were very vague and left it up to essendon, they don't want to be leaking who has show clause notices and getting law suits over it in the future.

He gives you exactly what the AFL said in the next line. Its the reporter who is simply assuming from that Daniher & Co can't play and Essendon aren't going to in their wisdom then play him and give it away. I don't particularly care if he does or doesn't but I am not getting sucked into vague mis-truths and proclaiming them as gospel.

Which part of "We've made it very, very clear for the players who weren't at Essendon in 2012, they can't participate in that activity," is vague exactly?

 

[davis_756]

Which part of "We've made it very, very clear for the players who weren't at Essendon in 2012, they can't participate in that activity," is vague exactly?

Joe Daniher was at Essendon in 2012, they do not say "Essendon listed players in 2012"

Can you not see how that can be used to mislead you into believing it as fact when it really says nothing about the person in question?

 

[Dave]

Right. Of course it wasnt a practice match. It was a match simulation. We get it.

Either clubs have the right to manage players pre-season preparation as they see fit or they don't. Whether a player is playing in a practice match, match simulation or just having his balls busted by the training staff is irrelevant.

Your so wrong, but hey why would you take your head out of the sand now.

I work with a bunch of footy tragics who have had plenty to say about this asaga over the journey, not one peep about last week. Ditto the people at the junior club I coach at, and none of them are shrinking violets when it comes to airing their opinions. But hey, they are the odd ones out, and I have my head in the sand.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Either clubs have the right to manage players pre-season preparation as they see fit or they don't. Whether a player is playing in a practice match, match simulation or just having his balls busted by the training staff is irrelevant.



I work with a bunch of footy tragics who have had plenty to say about this asaga over the journey, not one peep about last week. Ditto the people at the junior club I coach at, and none of them are shrinking violets when it comes to airing their opinions. But hey, they are the odd ones out, and I have my head in the sand.

all my mates are into the footy, and virtually no-one in my life talks about this other than in passing, and with absolutely no vitriol - outside of the HTB.

Maybe I just don't associate with idiots?

 

[onemancyclone]

all my mates are into the footy, and virtually no-one in my life talks about this other than in passing, and with absolutely no vitriol - outside of the HTB.

Maybe I just don't associate with idiots?

Just to clear things up for you. If you locate a forum specifically for discussion of a specific topic, you find more discussion about it than in an alternative general setting.

 

[DapperJong]

Internet

 

[Dave]

all my mates are into the footy, and virtually no-one in my life talks about this other than in passing, and with absolutely no vitriol - outside of the HTB.

Maybe I just don't associate with idiots?

Nah Lance, you're delusional. They don't say anything because the rest of the football public knows they can't talk to us about it.

Get your head out of the sand FFS!

 

[Proper Gander]

Joe Daniher was at Essendon in 2012, they do not say "Essendon listed players in 2012"

Can you not see how that can be used to mislead you into believing it as fact when it really says nothing about the person in question?

Yeah but I was at Essendon in 2012. I went to a bbq and the food was literally inedible. Really burnt. The dog finished mine. And the beer was warm. We made excuses and left and I was so hungry I stopped at some takeaway to get a pie for the way home.

Sorry - what are we talking about?

 

[LoungeLizard]

all my mates are into the footy, and virtually no-one in my life talks about this other than in passing, and with absolutely no vitriol - outside of the HTB.

Maybe I just don't associate with idiots?

So did you just call everyone on here an idiot?

 

[DapperJong]

So did you just call everyone on here an idiot?

Oh my how dare he

 

[Albert Ross]

I'm telling you what the AFL anti doping code says. Do you have a link for the pdf, I'd be interested to see it. I'd be more than a little surprised to find the AFL anti doping code applies to the local U9's. I've been a coach for over a decade, and I know none of our clubs players, other than those playing with the Stingrays, have ever complied with section 7 for example, I guess that means we're in breach and liable for bans.

You might want to read your league bylaws

Look, I agree that the code does not cater well for all competitions, especially junior ones. In fact, I would say it is impractical in many cases.

But going back to my original statement, I said that the AFL anti doping code covers all players playing Australian Rules Football, even minors. I said that because of page 2 of the code. You said bullshit. I can only reply with what the AFL has stated in their code. I don't think I was "shooting from the hip" with my original statement. Fair?

From the Northern Football Leagues's Drug Code

"The AFL Anti-Doping Code, as varied in accordance with Law 21.2, shall apply to all persons to whom these Laws apply, unless a Controlling Body has
adopted its own code or policy which has been approved by the Australian Sports Drug Agency". The NFL have their own approved code.

The MPNFL it appears don't, but their website includes the Football Vic one (which is AFL) on its policies page http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=0-6182-0-0-0&sID=285339

The Southern Football League has it's bylaws online, and within them a section that states ...

The League has adopted the following AFL Victoria policies as policies of the
League, and may add to these policies as seen fit: These policies are available
via the SFL web-site.
• Infectious Diseases Policy;
• No Smoking & Alcohol Management Policy;
• Racial and Religious Tolerance Policy;
• Vilification and Discrimination Policy
• Anti-Doping Policy;
• Codes of Conduct - Players, Coaches, & Parents;
• Gender Policy;
• De-Registration Policy ; and
• Privacy Policy

The drug codes do cater to the concept of professional and local-level athletes. The local leagues are not obliged to commission or pay for tests, so players are not tested. However they are still bound by the code and could be tested if ASADA chose to and could be banned if a non-analytical case was proven - not that ASADA would bother.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Nah Lance, you're delusional. They don't say anything because the rest of the football public knows they can't talk to us about it.

Get your head out of the sand FFS!

"The Essendon supporters are over there on table 5. What ever you do, don't mention the drug scandal! I think I might have mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it."

 

[RegHickeyStand]

all my mates are into the footy, and virtually no-one in my life talks about this other than in passing, and with absolutely no vitriol - outside of the HTB.

Maybe I just don't associate with idiots?

So, only idiots would come on here and talk about it?

 

[Dave]

You might want to read your league bylaws

I have. Nowhere does its state that clubs are exempt from the all provisions of section seven, ergo every club in the league is in breach.