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00Stinger said:
why choose who can and can't broadcast them?

politician fine, media fine, podcast not fine
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Malone has no position of authority that requires his views be given air.

I agree that politicians are often not held to account for their lies, but Malone is not an elected politician - or up for election - whose views need to be aired and examined.

Even so, media often ignores minor parties like the Greens in favour of minor parties like One Nation for the ratings.

Rogan didn't examine or do much questioning of Malone's lies. He swallowed a lot of them uncritically.

I get an idea of why: it's hard to debunk this stuff. You need knowledge.
 

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I saw an episode of NYPD Blue a few weeks ago, where Bobby Simone used the N word while paraphrasing a suspect, to his African American boss who had no problem with it. This was an episode made for network TV over there.

Times have changed I suppose, except that boss character was normally very progressive on issues of race.
 
mr bagcroft said:
Its virtue signalling in a poor disguise, is what it is.
And you can say what you want, as long as it aligns with my own thinking and values.
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Yep. Always self-appointed guardians too.

I'm able to dictate who can say things, because I'm superior to you. More noble, more virtuous. And you should thank me as well.
 
Partridge said:
Yep. Always self-appointed guardians too.

I'm able to dictate who can say things, because I'm superior to you. More noble, more virtuous. And you should thank me as well.
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You think you should be able to say the n-word whenever you want?
 
bok_party said:
You think you should be able to say the n-word whenever you want?
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It's just a sound you make with your mouth.

I watched D'Jango Unchained again last night and I don't see the world ever going back to using it so pejoratively. The same as when racism is shown in mid 20th century productions, it's abhorrent to anyone watching now. It's never coming back.

It's like the C word. It shouldn't be used in polite company and diminishes you to use it to hurt someone else, but we aren't summoning evil with the utterance of the words.
 
bok_party said:
You think you should be able to say the n-word whenever you want?
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Depends. Language is about intention.

As a derogatory term obviously not. Although there's no better way to find out what someone's like to see if they use it in a derogatory fashion. People like that - if there's any left - will be abandoned pretty quickly. And if that word is the reason, then people are being extremely selective.

For instance, presuming you saw either, did you walk out of Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction in protest? If not why not? Are you saying we should ban Huckleberry Finn?
 
Partridge said:
Depends. Language is about intention.

As a derogatory term obviously not. Although there's no better way to find out what someone's like to see if they use it in a derogatory fashion. People like that - if there's any left - will be abandoned pretty quickly. And if that word is the reason, then people are being extremely selective.

For instance, presuming you saw either, did you walk out of Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction in protest? If not why not? Are you saying we should ban Huckleberry Finn?
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We're at the point where intent is being assumed with impunity though. Which is racism in itself.
 
Partridge said:
Depends. Language is about intention.

As a derogatory term obviously not. Although there's no better way to find out what someone's like to see if they use it in a derogatory fashion. People like that - if there's any left - will be abandoned pretty quickly. And if that word is the reason, then people are being extremely selective.

For instance, presuming you saw either, did you walk out of Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction in protest? If not why not? Are you saying we should ban Huckleberry Finn?
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m not some extreme leftie. I love cinema so I don’t get a turned up nose at it’s use in film. It can be necessary in those films to make the audience dislike a character or if a black actor uses it, then I definitely have no issue with it. The term is theirs and understandably so.

I agree language is about intention but that’s probably the one word that’s definitely frowned upon the most. I don’t think you can flippantly/nonchalantly drop it.
 
Taylor said:
It's just a sound you make with your mouth.

I watched D'Jango Unchained again last night and I don't see the world ever going back to using it so pejoratively. The same as when racism is shown in mid 20th century productions, it's abhorrent to anyone watching now. It's never coming back.

It's like the C word. It shouldn't be used in polite company and diminishes you to use it to hurt someone else, but we aren't summoning evil with the utterance of the words.
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Meaning gets attached to words though. And the meaning behind the n-word wasn’t great.
 

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bok_party said:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not some extreme leftie. I love cinema so I don’t get a turned up nose at it’s use in film. It can be necessary in those films to make the audience dislike a character or if a black actor uses it, then I definitely have no issue with it. The term is theirs and understandably so.

I agree language is about intention but that’s probably the one word that’s definitely frowned upon the most. I don’t think you can flippantly/nonchalantly drop it.
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Agreed. The issue is, you could have a guest on a podcast now discussing American literature, and start talking about Mark Twain. If they happen to quote a phrase - it pops up occasionally in Tom Sawyer, a lot more in Huck Finn - does that make the guest or host suddenly racist? Ridiculous. And that's how it's being applied.
 
Partridge said:
Agreed. The issue is, you could have a guest on a podcast now discussing American literature, and start talking about Mark Twain. If they happen to quote a phrase - it pops up occasionally in Tom Sawyer, a lot more in Huck Finn - does that make the guest or host suddenly racist? Ridiculous. And that's how it's being applied.
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Was it though? There’s literally a time where Rogan says he walks into planet of the apes/walked into Africa.

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Rogan is shown telling a story on his podcast about going to see Planet of the Apes in Philadelphia with two friends. According to the podcast host, they were dropped off by a cab in an all-Black neighbourhood. In order to try “to make the story entertaining,” Rogan said the following:

“We got out, and it was like we were in Africa, like we were in Planet of the Apes.”

Rogan explained on Saturday that he later deleted the podcast episode and that it was an idiotic thing to say. He wasn’t trying to be racist, he maintained, he was just trying to be entertaining.
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I haven’t gone through his other things but here’s a time he’s being racist without even saying it.

I just think, it’s as white people, we know the distress that word gave to black people and how they’ve reclaimed it, we really should know not to say it in any context. Why can’t we just say n-word?
 
I agree that intention matters. You should at least be able to say the word while discussing it, or reading it, yet apparently even that is not allowed. Yet somehow it's OK to say it in a movie or in standup, even if you're white. Unless that rule has now changed as well.

The other day I was driving and a song with the N word is on my playlist. I wondered whether I could be attacked for even listening to the song. It was Laugh Now Cry Later by Drake.
 
Chief said:
Probably a shade of that.

But just because you don't take medical advice from him, doesn't mean there aren't a big slab of his audience taking in the lies of people like Malone and heading down the rabbit hole.
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That's the audiences fault, they should be more discerning.
 
Demonic Ascent said:
That's the audiences fault, they should be more discerning.
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How?

In the video I watched, a number of medical and science professionals had to collaborate to unravel Malone's lies.

How is the average listener supposed to discern truth from fiction in that instance? They are relying on the guest to be honest and the host to pick up on any dishonest or controversial claims.

Unless they are just listening to it to reinforce existing beliefs, which is what I believe a fair chunk would be doing if they're nodding along to Malone's more obvious rubbish.
 

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Chief said:
How?

In the video I watched, a number of medical and science professionals had to collaborate to unravel Malone's lies.

How is the average listener supposed to discern truth from fiction in that instance? They are relying on the guest to be honest and the host to pick up on any dishonest or controversial claims.

Unless they are just listening to it to reinforce existing beliefs, which is what I believe a fair chunk would be doing if they're nodding along to Malone's more obvious rubbish.
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How do you know your medical and science professionals weren't lying in their "unravelling" of Malone.

Because they agree with a preconception that you have?
 
Gak Attack said:
I fail to see the difference. Both generalisations.

Look obviously not all readers of RS are far left, just like not all JP fans are RWNP but it has certainly pushed well away from the centre-left position it was during its best years in terms of readership. Some of the real proper brave journalists they used to have writing for them (yes I know often freelance) would surely be disappointed today when they see stuff like that made up hospital article being pushed out as journalism, it's the sort of thing they would have exposed.
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I don't even know how to categorise what they publish these days other than an affront to journalism. Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for at least 20 years, the articles that I see occasionally now are so far off the spectrum I wouldn't know where to begin.
 
Chief said:
How?

In the video I watched, a number of medical and science professionals had to collaborate to unravel Malone's lies.

How is the average listener supposed to discern truth from fiction in that instance? They are relying on the guest to be honest and the host to pick up on any dishonest or controversial claims.

Unless they are just listening to it to reinforce existing beliefs, which is what I believe a fair chunk would be doing if they're nodding along to Malone's more obvious rubbish.
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Perhaps being intelligent enough not to get their advice from an entertainment podcast would be a start. I mean, there's no journalistic standards at play (not that that exists much anymore these days) it's just one guy with a podcast interviewing someone else who is pushing their own barrow.

I haven't listened to Rogan much at all other than the odd episode in the past with Maynard from Tool, Bill Burr, Chapelle or those kinds of people. I'd say anyone listening to him for information on how to manage a global pandemic needs to be more discerning as to what they actually take as fact.
 
bok_party said:
I don’t think he’s racist but surely you yourself know not to say the word on social media/radio/tv/in a public forum where it’s going to be recorded and be accessible for others in the future.

It’s not acceptable at any point but if he’s in the confines of his house with mates and no one else is going to hear it, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I just think he needed to have awareness, even 30-40 years ago, people did about not using that word.

They also found him being pro-vaccine initially as someone posted earlier but has done an about face since. Could it be he’s grifting off those who are anti-establishment/pro-conspiracy etc?
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Of course the N word shouldn't be used, context offers mitigation though... after all isn't the current Canadian Prime Minister a noted black facer and look where he is now.

Re the pro vaccine > people can and do change their mind.
 
Lethality said:
I agree that intention matters. You should at least be able to say the word while discussing it, or reading it, yet apparently even that is not allowed. Yet somehow it's OK to say it in a movie or in standup, even if you're white. Unless that rule has now changed as well.

The other day I was driving and a song with the N word is on my playlist. I wondered whether I could be attacked for even listening to the song. It was Laugh Now Cry Later by Drake.
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You reminded me of this scene from Office Space
Probably be cultural appropriation these days as well.

 

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