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I will find the link when I can. He was speaking in... the Phillipines? Not sure.
Maybe because it's misinformation, much like most of the claims made in the video by the "average scientist" Wilson that you have adopted for your "Ministry of Truth" without allowing any debate, even though his claims are can be easily rebutted or discredited.

Just a couple more from his video.

Hadn't heard of Deusburg that apparently Malone talked about, but Wilson puts up a news article about him that included "Kary Mullis, winner of the 1993 Nobel prize in chemistry for discovering the PCR agreed with him, saying he has seen "no scientific evidence" proving HIV causes AIDS."
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Mullis never found a scientific paper that proved HIV caused AIDS and protested they’re making this connection by misusing his PCR test. Unfortunately he died a few months before COVID-19 was known, so imagine what he would have thought about his PCR being used for that?

"We all have retroviruses and they’re, literally, blowing this way out of proportion. They’re amplifying it a TRILLION times, that’s what a PCR cycle of 40 does in magnifying the HIV retrovirus.”

According to him on his 1992 Spin interview, “PCR made it easier to see that certain people are infected with HIV and some of those people came down with symptoms of AIDS. But that doesn’t begin even to answer the question, ‘Does HIV cause it?’”

PCR, simply put, is a thermal cycling method used to make up to billions of copies of a specific DNA sample, making it large enough to study. PCR is an indispensable technique with a broad variety of applications including biomedical research and criminal forensics.”

“PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues."


According to Mullis himself, PCR cannot be totally and should never be used as a tool in “the diagnosis of infectious diseases.

"PCR, if you do it well, can find almost anything in anybody. They make up their own rules as they go, they change them when they want to and Tony Fauci doesn't mind going on TV in front of the people that pay his salary and lie directly into the camera." Dr Kary Mullis inventor of the PCR test.

"You never or almost can never culture a virus from a 37 threshold cycle. Even 36. You gotta say, you know it's dead nucleotides. Period." Tony Fauci

“PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues."

What is when humanity want to know all the details and stuff and guys like Fauci get up there and start talking and Fauci doesn’t know anything about anything. And I’d say that to his face. Nothing! The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it’s got a virus in there you’ll know it. He doesn’t understand electron microscopy and doesn’t understand medicine and should not be in a position he’s in.

Most of those people at the top are just total administrative people who don’t know anything that’s going on in the body. Those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have – that we pay them to take care of our health in some way. They’ve got a personal agenda, they make up their own rules, they change them when they want to.

Tony Fauci does not mind going on TV inform of people that pay his salary and lie directly into the camera. You can’t expect the sheep to respect difference in viruses, they don’t know the difference. Basically, the vast majority do not have the ability to judge who is and who isn’t a good scientist. It’s a problem that been around for centuries.

Science is being judged by people who don’t understand it. Fauci? Fauci doesn’t know enough. If Fauci wants to get on TV with someone that knows a bit about this and DEBATE THEM, HE COULD EASILY DO IT, because he’s been asked. He’s been asked to come and debate me at the USC on the stage in front of the student body. I’ve wanted to debate someone who’s on the other side, but Fauci doesn’t want to do it.




Contrary to Wilson's claims that it is impossible for a PCR to find other viruses, at Australia's Doherty Inst. specificity was evaluated on a subset of 24 samples for test cross-reactivity to other common respiratory virus agents, 4 samples (influenza virus A, parainfluenza type-1, rhinovirus, parainfluenza) tested positive for SARS CoV 2 above Ct 38, which was recommended for use to detect SARS CoV 2, others were invalid at Ct 32.

The said that Best practice in executing confirmatory testing of samples detecting SARS CoV 2 producing Ct values > 38, will be important to test for other viruses according to manufacturers instructions for use (IFU).
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https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...ute-bgi-sars-cov-2-real-time-pcr-platform.pdf

 
According to him on his 1992 Spin interview, “PCR made it easier to see that certain people are infected with HIV and some of those people came down with symptoms of AIDS. But that doesn’t begin even to answer the question, ‘Does HIV cause it?’”
You what?

If you could post links and a few relevant paras it might make it easier to understand what you're saying.

Right now it looks like you agree with people who think HIV does not cause AIDS?
 

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He is just a podcaster.
And I'm just an admin but boy do I get some grief every time I delete a post or express an opinion.

I only WISH I got 100 million bucks to delete everything I've ever posted online.
 
And I'm just an admin but boy do I get some grief every time I delete a post or express an opinion.

I only WISH I got 100 million bucks to delete everything I've ever posted online.
Keep on wishing Chief, you are hell of a long way from the open minded, compassionate, curious individual Joe Rogan is... nothing stopping you from starting your own Podcast and seeing if you can get 11,000,000(the more popular episodes go well over that) listeners per episode. I think you'll find your problem will be not having anyone on with a different opinion than yours.
 
And I'm just an admin but boy do I get some grief every time I delete a post or express an opinion.

I only WISH I got 100 million bucks to delete everything I've ever posted online.
Comparing yourself to the biggest podcaster in the world? Narcissistic much.
 
Keep on wishing Chief, you are hell of a long way from the open minded, compassionate, curious individual Joe Rogan is...
:laughv1: Pretend that was the point you were trying to make, and that my response was anything but tongue in cheek.
 

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Very interesting Podcast today with Steven Koonin >

Born in Brooklyn, New York City, Koonin graduated from high school at the age of 16, received his Bachelor of Science from the California Institute of Technology and his Ph.D. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology under the supervision of Arthur Kerman in the MIT Center for Theoretical Physics.[4][5][6] In 1975, Koonin joined the faculty of the California Institute of Technology as an assistant professor of theoretical physics becoming one of their youngest ever faculty, and served as the institute's provost from 1995 to 2004.[7][8]

In 2004, Koonin joined BP as their chief scientist, where he was responsible for guiding the company's long-range technology strategy, particularly in alternative and renewable energy sources.[9] He was tapped for the position of Under Secretary for Science at the United States Department of Energy by Steven Chu, Obama's Secretary of Energy,[10] and served from May 19, 2009, to November 18, 2011.[11][12] Koonin left in November 2011 for a position at the Institute for Defense Analyses.[citation needed] In 2012, he was appointed the founding director of NYU's Center for Urban Science and Progress (CUSP).[13]

He has served on numerous advisory bodies for the National Science Foundation, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy and its various national laboratories, such as the JASON defense advisory group, which he has chaired.[14] Koonin's research interests have included theoretical nuclear, many-body, and computational physics, nuclear astrophysics, and global environmental science.[15]
 
Very interesting Podcast today with Steven Koonin >

Born in Brooklyn, New York City, Koonin graduated from high school at the age of 16, received his Bachelor of Science from the California Institute of Technology and his Ph.D. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology under the supervision of Arthur Kerman in the MIT Center for Theoretical Physics.[4][5][6] In 1975, Koonin joined the faculty of the California Institute of Technology as an assistant professor of theoretical physics becoming one of their youngest ever faculty, and served as the institute's provost from 1995 to 2004.[7][8]

In 2004, Koonin joined BP as their chief scientist, where he was responsible for guiding the company's long-range technology strategy, particularly in alternative and renewable energy sources.[9] He was tapped for the position of Under Secretary for Science at the United States Department of Energy by Steven Chu, Obama's Secretary of Energy,[10] and served from May 19, 2009, to November 18, 2011.[11][12] Koonin left in November 2011 for a position at the Institute for Defense Analyses.[citation needed] In 2012, he was appointed the founding director of NYU's Center for Urban Science and Progress (CUSP).[13]

He has served on numerous advisory bodies for the National Science Foundation, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy and its various national laboratories, such as the JASON defense advisory group, which he has chaired.[14] Koonin's research interests have included theoretical nuclear, many-body, and computational physics, nuclear astrophysics, and global environmental science.[15]

Sounds terrific :rolleyes:

 
Sounds terrific :rolleyes:

Do yourself a favour and actually listen to the guy, read his book and take a note of his credentials. He addresses the criticism in depth in his chat with Joe, a highly impressive individual. FWIW he agrees that humans are having an affect towards "global warming" however it is his opinion that the doomsday/catastrophic narrative is grossly over stated eg. the disasters predicted in An Inconvenient Truth/MSM etc are not happening.
 
You what?

If you could post links and a few relevant paras it might make it easier to understand what you're saying.

Right now it looks like you agree with people who think HIV does not cause AIDS?
They're not my thoughts or statements.

I'm directly quoting many of Kary Mullis's, Nobel Laureate inventor of the PCR's, statements.

Also included two interviews and the newspaper quote that the fuzzy Wilson included.
 
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They're not my thoughts or statements.

I'm directly quoting many of Kary Mullis's, Nobel Laureate inventor of the PCR's, statements.

Also included two interviews and the newspaper quote that the fuzzy Wilson included.
So you do or don't believe him?
 

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When in doubt maybe don't disagree with nobel prize winners?
Even Nobel Prize winners can be nuts. Mullis was plain old wrong, and a dippy denier of AGW.

Find a scientific fact and you will find someone with an impressive sounding title who lends their voice to the conspiracy surrounding it.


In a follow-up article in Skeptical Inquirer,[87] Nattrass overviewed the prominent members of the HIV/AIDS denialist community and discussed the reasons of the intractable staying power of HIV/AIDS denialism in spite of scientific and medical consensus supported by over two decades of evidence. She observed that despite being a disparate group of people with very different background and professions, the HIV/AIDS denialists self-organize to fill four important roles:[87]

  • "Hero scientists" to provide scientific legitimacy: Most notably Duesberg who plays the central role of HIV/AIDS denialism from the beginning. Others include David Rasnick, Étienne de Harven, and Kary Mullis whose Nobel Prize makes him symbolically important.
  • "Cultropreneurs" to offer fake cures in place of antiretroviral therapy: Matthias Rath, Gary Null, Michael Ellner, and Roberto Giraldo all promote alternative medicine and remedies with a dose of conspiracy theories in the form of books, healing products, radio shows and counseling services.
  • HIV-positive "living icons" to provide proof of concept by appearing to live healthily without antiretroviral therapy: Christine Maggiore was and still is the most important icon in the HIV/AIDS denialist movement despite the fact that she died of AIDS related complications in 2008.
  • "Praise singers": sympathetic journalists and filmmakers who publicize the movement with uncritical and favorable opinion. They include journalists Celia Farber, Liam Scheff and Neville Hodgkinson; filmmakers Brent Leung and Robert Leppo.
Some of them had overlapping roles as board members of Rethinking AIDS and Alive and Well AIDS Alternatives, were involved in the film House of Numbers, The Other Side of AIDS or on Thabo Mbeki's AIDS Advisory Panel. Nattrass argued that HIV/AIDS denialism gains social traction through powerful community-building effects where these four organized characters form "a symbiotic connection between AIDS denialism and alternative healing modalities" and they are "facilitated by a shared conspiratorial stance toward HIV science".[87]

Cultropreneurs - good word.

"Praise singer" - good name for some of Rogan's efforts with Malone.

In a 2010 article on conspiracy theories in science, Ted Goertzel highlights Duesberg's opposition to the HIV/AIDS connection as an example in which scientific findings are disputed on irrational grounds, relying on rhetoric, appeal to fairness and the right to a dissenting opinion rather than on evidence. Goertzel stated that Duesberg, along with many other denialists frequently invoke the meme of a "courageous independent scientist resisting orthodoxy", invoking the name of persecuted physicist and astronomer Galileo Galilei.[9] Regarding this comparison, Goertzel stated:

...being a dissenter from orthodoxy is not difficult; the hard part is actually having a better theory. Publishing dissenting theories is important when they are backed by plausible evidence, but this does not mean giving critics 'equal time' to dissent from every finding by a mainstream scientist.
— Goertzel, 2010[9]
Duesberg's advocacy of AIDS denialism has, by all accounts, effectively made him a pariah to the worldwide scientific community.[3]

Malone citing Duesberg and Mullis reflects badly on him, it doesn't lift either of those people up.


Malone doesn't just have a bit of a controversial opinion, he has beliefs not backed by the evidence available.

He's grifting.


When will he come up with his own magical Covid test, available only via his cultropreneurial online store?
 
Even Nobel Prize winners can be nuts. Mullis was plain old wrong, and a dippy denier of AGW.

Find a scientific fact and you will find someone with an impressive sounding title who lends their voice to the conspiracy surrounding it.




Cultropreneurs - good word.

"Praise singer" - good name for some of Rogan's efforts with Malone.



Malone citing Duesberg and Mullis reflects badly on him, it doesn't lift either of those people up.


Malone doesn't just have a bit of a controversial opinion, he has beliefs not backed by the evidence available.

He's grifting.


When will he come up with his own magical Covid test, available only via his cultropreneurial online store?

I'm not sure why you find 'conspiracy' generally far fetched but I like your positive outlook.

Furthermore I doubt anyone is saying JP. Rogan. Malone. Etc. Are perfect. Stop banning stuff more so from elite authorities in fields, is a good starting point.

Edit - not you. Biden. Big tech and co w***ers
 
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I'm not sure why you find 'conspiracy' generally far fetched but I like your positive outlook.

Furthermore I doubt anyone is saying JP. Rogan. Malone. Etc. Are perfect. Stop banning stuff more so from elite authorities in fields, is a good starting point.

Malone is well in on the conspiracy theories surrounding Covid:

he promoted an unfounded theory called “mass-formation psychosis,” telling Rogan that a “third of the population [is] basically being hypnotized” into believing what the mainstream media and Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert and chief medical adviser to President Biden, report on the vaccines. Malone went on to compare the country’s pandemic policies to Nazi Germany.

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Van Bavel added: “He used a pseudoscience term and millions of people downloaded the episode — and it took on a life of its own, even though there is no evidence supporting it.”

Malone lies. He's full of shit. Rogan should not have boosted him.
 
Malone is well in on the conspiracy theories surrounding Covid:



Malone lies. He's full of sh*t. Rogan should not have boosted him.

You abuse him a lot and you can not even be bothered going to him to listen or read what he says

He is a very good doctor mate. He might be wrong in some areas but he seems to be fairly switched on.

Dr. Peter McCullough doesn't sound like a dill either - but I'm not going to try change your mind peace
 
The fact of Malone's anti-vax stance was questioned earlier by someone:

Malone argued Sunday that the omicron variant “is destroying the approved narrative that the vaccines are safe and effective,” ignoring last week’s CDC notice that vaccine boosters were preventing serious illness from the omicron variant of the coronavirus, which causes the disease covid-19. He also discouraged people from getting vaccinated and pushed instead for natural immunity, which, as emergency physician Leana S. Wen wrote for The Post in August, is dangerous.
 

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