Joe Root watch

[cricketnut14]

with root just passing ponting, kallis and dravid this week - i thought i'd throw this out there.

can root pass tendulkar's run tally ? and if so, when?

he is currently 34 and a half.

the equation:
*2513 runs to get
*career ave: 51.17
*completed innings: 262
*ave innings per test: 1.67

assuming he goes at the same rate, it'll take another 49 completed innings which is 29 tests (give or take - form pending)
this would also give him another 7 or so test centuries.

upcoming matches:
1 final test v India (H)
5 v Aust (A)
3 v NZ (H)
3 v Pak (H)
3 v SA (A)
2 v Bang (A)
1 v Aust (A)
1 WTC Final
2 v SL (H)
5 v Aust (H) - 2027
*and any others they organise outside the WTC.
5 v Ind (A) - early 2028

this may well happen at the back end of the ashes series in 2027 just shy of his 37th birthday.
if he misses a few games or has a dip in form, it'll come in 2028.

also interesting to note, while he might get there in fewer test matches , no one has completed 300 test innings (that does not include not outs) and he is on track to pass tendulkar after 311 completed innings.
root would have to ave 74 from this point to catch tendulkar in the same amount of innings.

players to have completed 200 test innings (several in the 190's)
296 - tendulkar
275 - cook
*262 - root
258 - ponting
254 - dravid
240 - kallis
237 - jayawardene
231 - chanderpaul
226 - lara
221 - border
216 - sangakkara
214 - waugh
214 - stewart
209 - gooch

either way if root gets there, it's gonna be hard to top moving forward.
*averaging 60 throughout a career would take 266 completed innings - which would be a massive achievement.

 

[jb04]

Looking forward to this thread popping off when he either 1) goes past Tendulkar, or 2) retires before going past Tendulkar.

I actually think he can do it, especially at the rate he’s been going in the recently concluded WTC.

 

[010203]

Imagine if he breaks Sachin's record in India.

 

[Cainozz]

I can see him comfortably passing Tendulkar imo. Even if he slows down a bit, England play so many tests that the age factor, won’t really be a factor and he will have plenty of opportunities to pass the record.

Pitches in England won’t change anytime soon as long as England keep winning home series in the Ben Stoles captaincy era.

It’s a shame Smith missed a whole year of his prime in 2018 as he’d probably be clocking up ton no.40 this year and it would be a real battle of the goliaths towards the twilight of their careers to see how far they could go.

 

[revo333]

On paper it looks probable that he gets there and retires straight after.

His form would have to fall off a cliff or he gets an injury like Michael Clark where he can barely stand at the crease anymore.

 

[revo333]

It’s a shame Smith missed a whole year of his prime in 2018 as he’d probably be clocking up ton no.40 this year and it would be a real battle of the goliaths towards the twilight of their careers to see how far they could go.

Hard to know, if he doesn't get banned does he still score all those runs in the ashes?

Root has played nearly 40 more test matches than Smith and is still 2 years younger.

 

[cricketnut14]

Hard to know, if he doesn't get banned does he still score all those runs in the ashes?

Root has played nearly 40 more test matches than Smith and is still 2 years younger.

yeah smith is 3000 runs behind ponting which may prove tough to run down - he is 700 runs from getting into 2nd for australia and pass waugh and border - which may be a more realistic target - especially if he plays on after this summer.

 

[Gough]

with root just passing ponting, kallis and dravid this week - i thought i'd throw this out there.

can root pass tendulkar's run tally ? and if so, when?

he is currently 34 and a half.

the equation:
*2513 runs to get
*career ave: 51.17
*completed innings: 262
*ave innings per test: 1.67

assuming he goes at the same rate, it'll take another 49 completed innings which is 29 tests (give or take - form pending)
this would also give him another 7 or so test centuries.

upcoming matches:
1 final test v India (H)
5 v Aust (A)
3 v NZ (H)
3 v Pak (H)
3 v SA (A)
2 v Bang (A)
1 v Aust (A)
1 WTC Final
2 v SL (H)
5 v Aust (H) - 2027
*and any others they organise outside the WTC.
5 v Ind (A) - early 2028

this may well happen at the back end of the ashes series in 2027 just shy of his 37th birthday.
if he misses a few games or has a dip in form, it'll come in 2028.

also interesting to note, while he might get there in fewer test matches , no one has completed 300 test innings (that does not include not outs) and he is on track to pass tendulkar after 311 completed innings.
root would have to ave 74 from this point to catch tendulkar in the same amount of innings.

players to have completed 200 test innings (several in the 190's)
296 - tendulkar
275 - cook
*262 - root
258 - ponting
254 - dravid
240 - kallis
237 - jayawardene
231 - chanderpaul
226 - lara
221 - border
216 - sangakkara
214 - waugh
214 - stewart
209 - gooch

either way if root gets there, it's gonna be hard to top moving forward.
*averaging 60 throughout a career would take 266 completed innings - which would be a massive achievement.

Gooch and AB did it the hard way, Gooch had three years off for his South African sojourn too.

 

[revo333]

He hardly get's talked about but there were a couple of years when Gooch was a run machine and one of the best bats at the time.

 

[cricketnut14]

He hardly get's talked about but there were a couple of years when Gooch was a run machine and one of the best bats at the time.

yeah, very good player although alderman had his measure there for a while (a bit like warne-cullinan).

at one point gooch apparently recorded a message on his answering machine that went something like: "I'm not here right now. I'm probably out . . . lbw, to Terry Alderman."

 

[cricketnut14]

just peeled off his 39th test ton.

he has now stopped for a few months as his next assignment is in australia.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

just peeled off his 39th test ton.

he has now stopped for a few months as his next assignment is in australia.

Bloke is a freak. Nobody has been as consistent for so long outside Tendulkar. Hasn't had a huge dip in form over an extended period of time like the others have and if he has a run of 4-5 ours he comes back with either a half century or century not long after.

 

[PhatBoy]

Bloke is a freak. Nobody has been as consistent for so long outside Tendulkar. Hasn't had a huge dip in form over an extended period of time like the others have and if he has a run of 4-5 ours he comes back with either a half century or century not long after.

South African bloke did it for 18 years (Root has been playing for 13) at a noticeably better average that you might want to read up on, who just didn’t get to play as much test cricket.

Btw I am a huge Root fan it is just bizarre how easily the person I’m referring to is forgotten.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

South African bloke did it for 18 years (Root has been playing for 13) at a noticeably better average that you might want to read up on, who just didn’t get to play as much test cricket.

Btw I am a huge Root fan it is just bizarre how easily the person I’m referring to is forgotten.

Think you will find had Root converted more of his 50s into tons earlier on he would be averaging closer to 60. Conversion rate between the two is why one averages more than the other. 104 times he's reached 50 in Test cricket which is more than Kallis who you are referring to.

 

[PhatBoy]

Think you will find had Root converted more of his 50s into tons earlier on he would be averaging closer to 60. Conversion rate between the two is why one averages more than the other. 104 times he's reached 50 in Test cricket which is more than Kallis who you are referring to.

Well he should have just done it, then.

You could just as easily argue ‘Kallis’ average would be a lot higher if he hit more than just 2 centuries in his first 23 tests and averaged more than 30 after those 23 tests, like Root who had hit 5 by that stage and averaged 52.’

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Well he should have just done it, then.

You could just as easily argue ‘Kallis’ average would be a lot higher if he hit more than just 2 centuries in his first 23 tests and averaged more than 30 after those 23 tests, like Root who had hit 5 by that stage and averaged 52.’

BY that logic Root's record is better than isn't it seeing as he's barely averaged under 50 he's entire career. Smith and Kallis are a better comparison as they started a bit slower than really motored along churning out the hundreds all the while Root was doing his thing. Williamson will enter that conversation soon too as well

 

[PhatBoy]

BY that logic Root's record is better than isn't it seeing as he's barely averaged under 50 he's entire career. Smith and Kallis are a better comparison as they started a bit slower than really motored along churning out the hundreds all the while Root was doing his thing. Williamson will enter that conversation soon too as well

Well no, because he averages less and has less hundreds despite playing almost the same amount of games. So there’s no real way to frame that his record is better, logic or not. His record is worse. They’ve both played over 150 matches so it isn’t like sample size comes into it.

The notion that one player since Tendulkar has made runs at a particular level of relentlessness is a bit of a fallacy. Kallis played for 5 years longer than Root has, had a couple of years at the very start where it was slow, and thereafter for a month shy of 15 years he averaged 59.2

Joe Root averages 51.17 before this test and it will rise slightly to about 51.3

 

[PhatBoy]

Hell Kallis was even robbed of an extra hundred because of the Indian f**kwit furore when they were refusing to accept the sanctions for the Tendulkar ball tampering and Sehwag over appealing incidents so the third match was played under unofficial status.

 

[revo333]

BY that logic Root's record is better than isn't it seeing as he's barely averaged under 50 he's entire career. Smith and Kallis are a better comparison as they started a bit slower than really motored along churning out the hundreds all the while Root was doing his thing. Williamson will enter that conversation soon too as well

Root overall is a better batsman. The eye test says so.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Hasn't scored an Ashes ton in Australia. Let's see if his likely last tour here changes fortunes.

 

[Rabish Binney]

Hell Kallis was even robbed of an extra hundred because of the Indian f**kwit furore when they were refusing to accept the sanctions for the Tendulkar ball tampering and Sehwag over appealing incidents so the third match was played under unofficial status.

What's the story with that test Phat?

What happened?

 

[Rabish Binney]

Hasn't scored an Ashes ton in Australia. Let's see if his likely last tour here changes fortunes.

Well he seems to be in career best form, so wouldn't surprise me if he does jag a ton (or two) in the series.

As much as I hate the Poms, Root seems to be likeable guy and I admire him for the career he's had.

 

[PhatBoy]

What's the story with that test Phat?

What happened?

The second test was full of aggro and Tendulkar cleaned the ball with his nail and was sanctioned for it - I can’t remember if he was fined or suspended for a match by Mike Denness but the push back was that he had obtained permission to do it. There was some over appealing accusations and Sehwag was sanctioned for charging at the umpire.

India refused the punishments and the third test was stripped of its ICC sanctioned status so Pollock and Kallis who both hit hundreds don’t have them counted towards their records

 

[brutus76]

Someone should do a YouTube video compilation of all his stupid reviews when batting

 

[katana]

Hell Kallis was even robbed of an extra hundred because of the Indian f**kwit furore when they were refusing to accept the sanctions for the Tendulkar ball tampering and Sehwag over appealing incidents so the third match was played under unofficial status.

man i forgot this. horrid stuff.