Coach John Longmire - Part II

[J_Moore]

Still the only team I have ever seen that PREFERS conceding i50s and then going from there.

That 2-handball chain out the back of the contest to the goalsquare is so insanely well-rehearsed. There is someone there and free like 90% of the time.

 

[SilentHunter_]

That 2-handball chain out the back of the contest to the goalsquare is so insanely well-rehearsed. There is someone there and free like 90% of the time.

Yes but we concede i50s for fun. We're clearly astute at defence but fgs it is still a stupid tactic to get everything going from defence.

 

[Olian]

Still the only team I have ever seen that PREFERS conceding i50s and then going from there.

Just shows inside 50’s mean nothing. We’ve won inside 50 counts and lost.

 

[Number37]

Genius move playing Macca last man in defense for kick-ins.
Rope-a-dope at its finest.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Just shows inside 50’s mean nothing. We’ve won inside 50 counts and lost.

Just goes to show our coach knows a fair bit more than our BF posters! Again, I digress as SuperCoach is the true mettle of the coaching man!

 

[caesar88]

He had a really good night tonight, Horse. In the first five minutes, the difference between the two teams was very obvious. We did our usual business of stagnant sideways kicks and trying to slowly scramble it down the wing, while the Hawks attacked through the corridor. I have a feeling Longmire acted accordingly and very quickly, because within the next five minutes we were playing almost completely different. It was clear Horse had gotten us into a mentality to run and spread and use the corridor with a bit more dare because that was the only way to surprise a Hawthorn outfit that knew us back to front. We didn't start out playing like it, but our players adapted. Hopefully he continues to see just what the players at his disposal are capable of if given the license to play to their strengths.

 

[Number37]

He had a really good night tonight, Horse. In the first five minutes, the difference between the two teams was very obvious. We did our usual business of stagnant sideways kicks and trying to slowly scramble it down the wing, while the Hawks attacked through the corridor. I have a feeling Longmire acted accordingly and very quickly, because within the next five minutes we were playing almost completely different. It was clear Horse had gotten us into a mentality to run and spread and use the corridor with a bit more dare because that was the only way to surprise a Hawthorn outfit that knew us back to front. We didn't start out playing like it, but our players adapted. Hopefully he continues to see just what the players at his disposal are capable of if given the license to play to their strengths.

Please stop with the nonsense that our players aren't allowed to take the game on.
If you learned anything from last night it should be that WHEN OUR SKILLS ALLOW we take the game on as well as any team.

 

[caesar88]

Please stop with the nonsense that our players aren't allowed to take the game on.
If you learned anything from last night it should be that WHEN OUR SKILLS ALLOW we take the game on as well as any team.

We play a whole different style of footy on the SCG tactically - that is where I have an issue with Longmire. Watch last week, there was no intent to use the corridor or break a line. It’s very safe and conservative but ultimately stagnant football, and it’s stoppage-driven. Horse is a good enough coach to recognise that on bigger grounds, if our players spread and run hard, they can play to their natural strengths. His next step is to get us to do that at the SCG. We’re not perfect skills-wise, but we should take the risky option more often because on the smaller ground, when it works, it will pay off big time. Playing so conservatively at home just invites our opposition to feel equal footing in tbe game.

 

[Number37]

We play a whole different style of footy on the SCG tactically - that is where I have an issue with Longmire. Watch last week, there was no intent to use the corridor or break a line. It’s very safe and conservative but ultimately stagnant football, and it’s stoppage-driven. Horse is a good enough coach to recognise that on bigger grounds, if our players spread and run hard, they can play to their natural strengths. His next step is to get us to do that at the SCG. We’re not perfect skills-wise, but we should take the risky option more often because on the smaller ground, when it works, it will pay off big time. Playing so conservatively at home just invites our opposition to feel equal footing in tbe game.

There was no intent last week because our work rate dropped off a cliff.
No work rate, nothing to kick to, take a mark, go back behind the mark, bomb it long.
Not game plan, willingness to work hard.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Enjoyed Horse being funny about having to show Ronke how to get on the ground.

Gets points for selecting Robbo and persisting with Cunningham. I was opposed to selection of both.

Will honour my promise to not call him Mule for the next week.

 

[Number37]

Enjoyed Horse being funny about having to show Ronke how to get on the ground.

Gets points for selecting Robbo and persisting with Cunningham.

Will honour my promise to not call him Mule for the next week.

Cunningham has been better than good this year. Was ordinary, like the whole team, last week.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Cunningham has been better than good this year. Was ordinary, like the whole team, last week.

He was good last night, serviceable in a few other games. He was not ordinary last week, he was woeful.

 

[Number37]

He was good last night, serviceable in a few other games. He was not ordinary last week, he was woeful.

Plays better when he has a target. Smashed Smith last night. North didn't have anyone he could destroy. Was good against Port and GWS.

 

[MF]

The inclusions this week turned out to be pretty decent... McCartin gave us a contest up forward and stopped them mopping up the high balls while Robinson was solid.

Playing Cunningham on Smith and Hewett on Mitchell also probably secured the win for us.

Surely he gets a pass mark this week.

 

[RUNVS]

I am just going to write it now since I will almost certainly forget but last night Fox Footy highlighted the real problem with the Swans.

The league average for transitioning from defence to the forward line is about 30%, where the ball goes from defence and works its way forward. For the Swans, it is closer to 10%, meaning that 9 out of 10 of the times we try and take the ball out of defence and work its way forward the play breaks down and the opposition get the ball back.

 

[SilentHunter_]

Just shows inside 50’s mean nothing. We’ve won inside 50 counts and lost.

I think we just win despite the i50 differential. If we could we'd want to win the inside 50s everytime. Having said that when we lose the i50 count there's an open forward line because the other team plays a high press and we get efficient entries.

 

[The King!]

He had a really good night tonight, Horse. In the first five minutes, the difference between the two teams was very obvious. We did our usual business of stagnant sideways kicks and trying to slowly scramble it down the wing, while the Hawks attacked through the corridor. I have a feeling Longmire acted accordingly and very quickly, because within the next five minutes we were playing almost completely different. It was clear Horse had gotten us into a mentality to run and spread and use the corridor with a bit more dare because that was the only way to surprise a Hawthorn outfit that knew us back to front. We didn't start out playing like it, but our players adapted. Hopefully he continues to see just what the players at his disposal are capable of if given the license to play to their strengths.

Players adjusted to the hawks

Grundy thumped one deep etc, nothing to do with horse, players just had skill this week, which he can’t control

He doesn’t really pick the team either I heard last week

He did a good presser this week, so well done horse , cracked a joke

 

[RUNVS]

I am just going to write it now since I will almost certainly forget but last night Fox Footy highlighted the real problem with the Swans.

The league average for transitioning from defence to the forward line is about 30%, where the ball goes from defence and works its way forward. For the Swans, it is closer to 10%, meaning that 9 out of 10 of the times we try and take the ball out of defence and work its way forward the play breaks down and the opposition get the ball back.

Also I am correcting myself as I think for most teams it is 1 in 3 times but for the Swans it is 1 in 8.

I am pretty sure that is what Fox Footy said anyway in their post game coverage.

 

[Olian]

Smith, Mitchell and Omeara were well held and had little influence on the game. Team played to instructions to nullify their input. Coach may have had some input into that.

 

[The King!]

Smith, Mitchell and Omeara were well held and had little influence on the game. Team played to instructions to nullify their input. Coach may have had some input into that.

Shame he didn’t do it against the big names like Jacobs Higgins wood and co last week

 

[MF]

He had a really good night tonight, Horse. In the first five minutes, the difference between the two teams was very obvious. We did our usual business of stagnant sideways kicks and trying to slowly scramble it down the wing, while the Hawks attacked through the corridor. I have a feeling Longmire acted accordingly and very quickly, because within the next five minutes we were playing almost completely different. It was clear Horse had gotten us into a mentality to run and spread and use the corridor with a bit more dare because that was the only way to surprise a Hawthorn outfit that knew us back to front. We didn't start out playing like it, but our players adapted. Hopefully he continues to see just what the players at his disposal are capable of if given the license to play to their strengths.

This seems to be the norm for us. We try and grind out a win with safe, contested football and if that hasn't worked and we find ourselves down in the last we open the game up.

 

[J_Moore]

Players adjusted to the hawks

Grundy thumped one deep etc, nothing to do with horse, players just had skill this week, which he can’t control

He doesn’t really pick the team either I heard last week

He did a good presser this week, so well done horse , cracked a joke

Mods, is there a way I can mute Kingy’s posts where he is specifically talking about Longmire, but leave the rest visible?

 

[John Longmire]

There's a good reason on why Clarkson has never won a coach of the year award. I am better than him and the best coach in the competition.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

There's a good reason on why Clarkson has never won a coach of the year award. I am better than him and the best coach in the competition.

Yes Mr Horse. You are guilty of only stating the obvious, esp re last night.

 

[swansfan51]

Mods, is there a way I can mute Kingy’s posts where he is specifically talking about Longmire, but leave the rest visible?

Not specifically, no. Unsubscribing from this thread is your best bet