Coach John Longmire

[Superstar swan]

It won't be at all. It will cost too much money for the club to pay out his 4 years left on contract.

does it really matter though, yer its not ideal but outlay the cash but its not like a salary cap where it restricts us on field long term

 

[connolly]

I wanted to vote but there was no "Ladies this is a ridiculous survey" option

 

[Olian]

If we lose this week, is it curtains for john?

No bit his message won't be getting through to the players.

 

[CrowCall]

If we lose this week, is it curtains for john?

A professional club like the swans doesn't operate like footy fan forums where being over emotional and irrational is the norm.

Do you think we should just play an all out attacking game regardless if we score 100 points and the opposition 200? The cold harsh reality is, we haven't got the skill sets to play a highly skilled type of game. I am 100% sure the coaching staff knows this.

The game plan sucks, but I can understand why he is being conservative. Do we blow out 100+ loses and just ruin the kids, the seniors players, the clubs and supporters confidence or do we go all out conservative while keeping face?

And no, a new coach won't get us back to the top. In fact a new coach will want to bring in new staff and new ideas that will take time to implement. Yes there have been instances where clubs have got a new coach in and the team has suddenly improved but a few weeks later and they are again mediocre. We will be there abouts for a few years, make no mistake about that. And then what?

 

[DST]

Bloody hilarious thread, we could lose all 22 games this year and John would be given another year and a half to rebuild, retool and turn it around.

The only chance he would be sacked is if the playing group decides to mutiny and not play until he is sacked and that is as likely as us winning the GF and Hanners the Brownlow.

 

[CrowCall]

Bloody hilarious thread, we could lose all 22 games this year and John would be given another year and a half to rebuild, retool and turn it around.

The only chance he would be sacked is if the playing group decides to mutiny and not play until he is sacked and that is as likely as us winning the GF and Hanners the Brownlow.

I am pretty sure the club knows full well whats the issue is. We are not a poorly run club like most of the victorian ones who seem to love sacking coaches as much as wanting to win a flag.

 

[bedford]

I am pretty sure the club knows full well whats the issue is. We are not a poorly run club like most of the victorian ones who seem to love sacking coaches as much as wanting to win a flag.

How many coaches have been sacked lately, it's not soccer. WTFDWFT

 

[CrowCall]

How many coaches have been sacked lately, it's not soccer. WTFDWFT

Thats because the coaching stocks in the AFL are pretty thin atm.

 

[BloodySwan]

Thats because the coaching stocks in the AFL are pretty thin atm.

Agreed, these are the only known coaches we could get

Anyone else would be a gamble

 

[connolly]

How many coaches have been sacked lately, it's not soccer. WTFDWFT

That's true but four of them are on Death Row - Bucks, Rocket, Hinkley and Hardwick. Poor old Damien Hasn't made it to a 50% win/loss ratio yet and if the bikies son goes down with an injury or some other misfortune befalls him he is gone

 

[CrowCall]

Agreed, these are the only known coaches we could get

Anyone else would be a gamble

And those coaches are from a different era as well. Malthouse can't coach modern footballers.

Assistants are a gamble, much like top draft picks. Yeah you get some top talent but most times they flop, especially ex legendary players who people think would make top coaches.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Haha, would be friggen hilarious if Clarko came to the Swans. Do not want!

People really keep their knives sharpened around here. It's amazing at times.

 

[BloodySwan]

And those coaches are from a different era as well. Malthouse can't coach modern footballers.

Assistants are a gamble, much like top draft picks. Yeah you get some top talent but most times they flop, especially ex legendary players who people think would make top coaches.

I think I'd cry if we appointed Hird, Voss or Buckley.

I dream about Kirk being our head coach one day but not before he's done his dues as an assistant

 

[sataris]

Haha, would be friggen hilarious if Clarko came to the Swans. Do not want!

People really keep their knives sharpened around here. It's amazing at times.

it's almost like professional sporting environments are cutthroat.

Who'd have thought it?

 

[bedford]

It's proven now that coaching your own team is paramount. Rhyce Shaw might get a gig one day, from inside I've heard nothing but good things about him, as well as being a top bloke.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

People really keep their knives sharpened around here. It's amazing at times.

No idea what you are talking about Chumpster....

*starts thread "swansblog is crap" & starts own blog....*

 

[CrowCall]

It's proven now that coaching your own team is paramount. Rhyce Shaw might get a gig one day, from inside I've heard nothing but good things about him, as well as being a top bloke.

I hope we never loose him, the guy is a gem. He was one of the players I was genuinely over the moon for when he won in 2012 after the unnecessary shit he copped for that moment in the 03 GF.

And the way he embraced the club, gee makes a fella wanna cut up onions in the kitchen.

 

[Wayne Swan]

I'll back Longmire but gee I want him to make better team selections. Newman dropped - why? Despite doing nothing positive and plenty negative, Foote continues to be backed - why?

Want to see Mills played on a wing, if he's fit I want to see Heeney wing/centre square, I want Jones wing/centre square. These are the three that can transform our midfield. Just try other guys down back, like Newman! even fill in with Laidler. If we can be more potent in the middle we "should" kick bigger scores and relieve some pressure on the backs.

Did like the debut of Melican, think we've found another, just don't drop him!

 

[caesar88]

I still like Horse as coach and think he can take us to a flag in the near future (not this year though)

But his biggest flaw is his stubborn close-mindedness. He's determined to coach only players who will play the Swans way above anything else. He seems to want to mould and shape every player who joins the Swans list into everything he personally as a coach admires and values in a player, even if it's not really the best thing for said player. He wants them to have defensive mind-sets, he wants them to be tough and focus on the contested side of footy. He wants them to be hard and competitive first and foremost (if they're super gifted or athletic freaks, that's just a bonus.) His language and his quotes and his interviews over his time as coach say it all. He sends Aliir Aliir to the reserves because he doesn't defend well enough, despite him being our only play-making tall down back (with Sir Dane out). He's asked about a game where Buddy's helped us to victory with some amazing goals or something, and he makes sure to make a point of how Buddy also tackles and defends well (would it really matter if Buddy didn't do any of those things? It's Buddy!!!!) He takes Lewis Jetta and decides he needs to improve the defensive aspect of his game - this only a year after nearly All Australian selection kicking 45 goals in a premiership season. He keeps Shaun Edwards - our only trace of speed amongst the newbies on the list - in the reserves because he needs to work on the defensive side of his game and improve his tackle numbers. These kinda things just prove where Horse's head is at. He seems to think the best way to success is to make sure every player who wears a Swans jumper has subscribed to the Swans defensive brand, rather than just trying to bring out each individual's natural instincts as a footballer. If you aren't a defensive type of player, you're either morphed into a one-dimensional contested beast, or you're sent to the reserves. He tries to change and adjust players who just don't need changing or adjusting. He's got a really talented list at his disposal right now full of young guns with some pretty unique talents in their own ways - this includes Heeney, Aliir, Jones, Edwards, Florent. They could all provide this team with a spark down the road, but is he going to compromise that spark because they don't tackle enough etc.? I really hope not but it seems that's his track record over the last few years.

It's why I think Foote is getting a go over guys who have been better than him. Yeah he tackles hard and I like the way he goes about it, but every other Swan on their given day can do the same thing. Not every guy can break a line, or deliver a perfectly weighted kick, or run the ball out of defence, or fly for pack marks. I watched an interview Luke Dahlhaus did where he said Beveridge wasn't interested in trying to change the way his players went about things, he just tried to bring out the best parts of each of his players. Horse is basically the opposite of that. He's about trying to change the way his players go about the game, and in the mean time they risk compromising the things that make them unique. He needs to just look at each player on his list, see what they can bring to the table, and try and maximise those qualities rather than trying to bring out the inner Blood in every player. If he starts doing that, we could very well have the best team in the comp as soon as next year. As it stands right now and where his mind set is, we will remain behind the rest of the competition until he changes.

 

[bradmanstandguy]

It won't be at all. It will cost too much money for the club to pay out his 4 years left on contract.

Yes, and if we keep losing, we possibly will be strapped for cash. As a lot of those 56k members will think twice about re- newing membership for next season. One thing we know is that apart from die hards like us, the Sydney sporting crowd is very fickle!

 

[CrowCall]

I still like Horse as coach and think he can take us to a flag in the near future (not this year though)

But his biggest flaw is his stubborn close-mindedness. He's determined to coach only players who will play the Swans way above anything else. He seems to want to mould and shape every player who joins the Swans list into everything he personally as a coach admires and values in a player, even if it's not really the best thing for said player. He wants them to have defensive mind-sets, he wants them to be tough and focus on the contested side of footy. He wants them to be hard and competitive first and foremost (if they're super gifted or athletic freaks, that's just a bonus.) His language and his quotes and his interviews over his time as coach say it all. He sends Aliir Aliir to the reserves because he doesn't defend well enough, despite him being our only play-making tall down back (with Sir Dane out). He's asked about a game where Buddy's helped us to victory with some amazing goals or something, and he makes sure to make a point of how Buddy also tackles and defends well (would it really matter if Buddy didn't do any of those things? It's Buddy!!!!) He takes Lewis Jetta and decides he needs to improve the defensive aspect of his game - this only a year after nearly All Australian selection kicking 45 goals in a premiership season. He keeps Shaun Edwards - our only trace of speed amongst the newbies on the list - in the reserves because he needs to work on the defensive side of his game and improve his tackle numbers. These kinda things just prove where Horse's head is at. He seems to think the best way to success is to make sure every player who wears a Swans jumper has subscribed to the Swans defensive brand, rather than just trying to bring out each individual's natural instincts as a footballer. If you aren't a defensive type of player, you're either morphed into a one-dimensional contested beast, or you're sent to the reserves. He tries to change and adjust players who just don't need changing or adjusting. He's got a really talented list at his disposal right now full of young guns with some pretty unique talents in their own ways - this includes Heeney, Aliir, Jones, Edwards, Florent. They could all provide this team with a spark down the road, but is he going to compromise that spark because they don't tackle enough etc.? I really hope not but it seems that's his track record over the last few years.

It's why I think Foote is getting a go over guys who have been better than him. Yeah he tackles hard and I like the way he goes about it, but every other Swan on their given day can do the same thing. Not every guy can break a line, or deliver a perfectly weighted kick, or run the ball out of defence, or fly for pack marks. I watched an interview Luke Dahlhaus did where he said Beveridge wasn't interested in trying to change the way his players went about things, he just tried to bring out the best parts of each of his players. Horse is basically the opposite of that. He's about trying to change the way his players go about the game, and in the mean time they risk compromising the things that make them unique. He needs to just look at each player on his list, see what they can bring to the table, and try and maximise those qualities rather than trying to bring out the inner Blood in every player.

Umm he is the coach and thats what coaches are paid to do. If the boss wants you to play a certain way, you do that.

I know its a millennial thing to not follow orders because its, like, I dunno, like, stagnates, your, like, creativity and individuality, but he is not there to guide the players through life and tell them to think about 25 other ways to kick the footy.

 

[caesar88]

Umm he is the coach and thats what coaches are paid to do. If the boss wants you to play a certain way, you do that.

I know its a millennial thing to not follow orders because its, like, I dunno, like, stagnates, your, like, creativity and individuality, but he is not there to guide the players through life and tell them to think about 25 other ways to kick the footy.

I think the players have to have some sense of individuality and independence though as players. Buddy is just about our only player who plays with any sort of natural instinct. Aliir was the only other one, and look where it landed it him...

 

[caesar88]

God the way some talk about AA makes me dislike him.

He was dropped because he is a risk atm and has no real 1 on 1 presence. When you are losing you don't risk players with flair conceding goals, which AA has done this year. I don't think people understand the game if they can't understand why AA was dropped.

Buddy on the other hand is a goal kicker, he cannot loose us games and only win them. So of course he plays with natural flair and of course thats whats asked of him.

If you can't see how Grundy and Smith have been more costly in terms of losses than Aliir then you mustn't understand the game either

 

[bungee]

Horse inherited a good list. Done **** all with it. Players talent and drive won the 12 flag. Horse been riding off their coat tails ever since. He is not a coaches flog hole. Give me Clarko anyday

Winning the GF in 2012 is the players doing but a 0-5 start is the coaches doing ??

 

[bungee]

Sometimes the coaches performance is dictated by the players he has at his disposal. We were a gf team 6 games ago, with a team that was quite inexperienced.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

We definitely need to tweak the game plan though. We seem slow and a little behind in terms of style, but I back horse to make the necessary changes.

I think the injuries to hanners and Parker have carried into 2017, along with the loss of Mitchell, JPK has been carrying too big a load to manage.

Get macca back and we can move Jones into the midfield and we become a much more dangerous team.

The next 4 games will instil confidence in the team and I think we'll come out the other side a much more confident team.

I have faith

I can't help but wonder if JPK is indeed under too much pressure. As captain there's a need to sacrifice your own game more to bring others into the game. It's a massive distraction and could be one of the reasons why our midfield in particular is struggling.