Jordan Lewis - Colin Wisbey

[cs61]

check mate

For what its worth when it comes to pace.the lack of pace didnt seem to hinder Greg Williams career.
BTW Bentliegh if your having a dig at Lewis,s lack of pace whats your opinion on our very own Cogs?


cheers!

well said.

 

[Bentleigh]

how about the clubs themselves?

Yes...

You'd hate to comment on football related things on a football forum.

We better leave it to the clubs...

 

[LukeHodge15]

another 38 posts of absolute cr@p and u will have 5000 up, yipee bentleigh

 

[Crow-mosone]

Yes...

You'd hate to comment on football related things on a football forum.

We better leave it to the clubs...

you are not commenting, you are making definitive statements on things you cannot know.

opinion is one thing, passing it off as something else is another.

 

[Bentleigh]

How many games did Wiz see Lewis?

Alot more than Meyer id assume.

 

[Hawka Deano]

Bentman, are you going to answer Tiger of Old's question or do you know that it will make you sound like a hypocrite?

 

[Bentleigh]

Bentman, are you going to answer Tiger of Old's question or do you know that it will make you sound like a hypocrite?

Lewis is as good as Cogs?

 

[superstar]

Lewis is as good as Cogs?

Well by your own brilliant logic, Coughlin must be a dud.

He didn't go early in the draft and was overlooked because of a lack of pace.

 

[Hawka Deano]

Well by your own brilliant logic, Coughlin must be a dud.

He didn't go early in the draft and was overlooked because of a lack of pace.

Stop it! You are making him look silly. Sh\t, too late

 

[Bentleigh]

Well by your own brilliant logic, Coughlin must be a dud.

He didn't go early in the draft and was overlooked because of a lack of pace.

Your a deadset idiot.

Have I once said you cannot be a good player without pace? I have already stated there are expections. It just makes it alot harder to be a good AFL player.

By all accounts from the experts there are doubts if Lewis is in this class.

 

[CyberKev]

Your a deadset idiot.

Have I once said you cannot be a good player without pace? I have already stated there are expections. It just makes it alot harder to be a good AFL player.

By all accounts from the experts there are doubts if Lewis is in this class.

You may not have openly said it, but you clearly implied it.

History and the current AFL landscape tell us that it is by no means an impediment to making it as an AFL player if you have only average to above average pace.

As for the last comment, it depends on the "expert" you're talking to at the time.

 

[Grendel]

Alot more than Meyer id assume.

Why? Because one is from interstate and one is from country Vic? Neither of them handy to a metropolitian based reviewer I'd have thought.

What indications has/does Colin give that that leads you to make this assumption, because there is none that I can see to lead to that conclusion.

Have you asked him? I assume) not?

Fwiw here is what I could find of Colin's thoughts on Meyer --> http://www.voy.com/51976/3482.html

"I find a lot to like re Meyer and I always enjoy watching him. Think he has a decent upside. I'm just not as confident in my prediction about him as I am with some others. FWIW, I had him at 18 in my rankings (and as high as 12 in September).

With some players, it's always a fine line trying to decide who to include as its a judgment call on my level of confidence in a particular prediction (positive or negative). eg Some kids are lucky or unlucky to just make, or just miss out on making, "Top Shelf" or "At least good" categories.

I see a helluva lot of footy live and I get a helluva lot of tapes from various sources of (eg) TAC, WAFL, SANFL, and local and interstate school, SA Academy, etc games.

In the case of Meyer, I saw him at the U18 Champs (live and tape) and (on tape). I also saw him in some school games for Sacred Heart. In one school games against St Peters, he looked a potential superstar (and took possibly the best hanger I saw all year at any standard including AFL). However school footy is very flattering. Meyer's form in the Champs was handy but certainly not great. I do like Meyer ... it's just that no-one, myself included, has as much clear evidence to support their case as they do with kids who regularly played TAC, SANFL or WAFL (eg).

I don't really have a hard and fast rule (and I bend any "rules" from one year to the next) re who I include/exclude but that's the only basis on which I didn't include Meyer in this year's list.

So he's seen him, question then is, how much credence do you give to the viewing? Colin not enough to make a judgement.. only.. he makes a judgement (see above) which I personally find a bit of 'double dipping'.

All gets back to what you fail to grasp, the difference between fact and opinion.

I've seen nothing of Tambling, he wont make it, fact! Pattison however will be an out and out superstar cause his brother supports Hawthorn (so to does Adam in his heart and we'll get him back to become that superstar too).

 

[The Fanatic]

Why? Because one is from interstate and one is from country Vic? Neither of them handy to a metropolitian based reviewer I'd have thought.

What indications has/does Colin give that that leads you to make this assumption, because there is none that I can see to lead to that conclusion.

Have you asked him? I assume) not?

Fwiw here is what I could find of Colin's thoughts on Meyer --> http://www.voy.com/51976/3482.html

"I find a lot to like re Meyer and I always enjoy watching him. Think he has a decent upside. I'm just not as confident in my prediction about him as I am with some others. FWIW, I had him at 18 in my rankings (and as high as 12 in September).

With some players, it's always a fine line trying to decide who to include as its a judgment call on my level of confidence in a particular prediction (positive or negative). eg Some kids are lucky or unlucky to just make, or just miss out on making, "Top Shelf" or "At least good" categories.

I see a helluva lot of footy live and I get a helluva lot of tapes from various sources of (eg) TAC, WAFL, SANFL, and local and interstate school, SA Academy, etc games.

In the case of Meyer, I saw him at the U18 Champs (live and tape) and (on tape). I also saw him in some school games for Sacred Heart. In one school games against St Peters, he looked a potential superstar (and took possibly the best hanger I saw all year at any standard including AFL). However school footy is very flattering. Meyer's form in the Champs was handy but certainly not great. I do like Meyer ... it's just that no-one, myself included, has as much clear evidence to support their case as they do with kids who regularly played TAC, SANFL or WAFL (eg).

I don't really have a hard and fast rule (and I bend any "rules" from one year to the next) re who I include/exclude but that's the only basis on which I didn't include Meyer in this year's list.

So he's seen him, question then is, how much credence do you give to the viewing? Colin not enough to make a judgement.. only.. he makes a judgement (see above) which I personally find a bit of 'double dipping'.

All gets back to what you fail to grasp, the difference between fact and opinion.

I've seen nothing of Tambling, he wont make it, fact! Pattison however will be an out and out superstar cause his brother supports Hawthorn (so to does Adam in his heart and we'll get him back to become that superstar too).

Grendel,in the words of the great Will Smith.." You da man!"

 

[FIGJAM]

So he's seen him, question then is, how much credence do you give to the viewing? Colin not enough to make a judgement.. only.. he makes a judgement (see above) which I personally find a bit of 'double dipping'.

We've drafted two high draft picks with similar limited viewings. Billy Morrison (pick 17) had a full year off with injury and Sean Rusling (pick 23) who played just one game at a TAC equivalent level to qualify.

The trouble is with recruiting, is even in the modern day of drafting, is that even with the semingly exhaustive search for talent, you can never see everything and nor can you help kids who have bad luck with injuries, high school commitments, extreme form fluctuations, or even late bloomers. You will at some stage have to make a call on a kid with poor information.

This type of "double dipping" happens all the time...and if you don't believe me, see pick six of the last draft!!

 

[Bentleigh]

Why?

I assumed he would watch more of the local lads (is he Victorian?) than he would SA juniors.

http://www.voy.com/51976/3482.html

I know. Good read.

Pattison however will be an out and out superstar cause his brother supports Hawthorn (so to does Adam in his heart and we'll get him back to become that superstar too).

Lets hope Pattison comes good.

I know that his brothers post of HHQ. Lets be serious, players dont really support clubs when they get to AFL level.

We've drafted two high draft picks with similar limited viewings. Billy Morrison (pick 17) had a full year off with injury and Sean Rusling (pick 23) who played just one game at a TAC equivalent level to qualify.

The trouble is with recruiting, is even in the modern day of drafting, is that even with the semingly exhaustive search for talent, you can never see everything and nor can you help kids who have bad luck with injuries, high school commitments, extreme form fluctuations, or even late bloomers. You will at some stage have to make a call on a kid with poor information.

This type of "double dipping" happens all the time...and if you don't believe me, see pick six of the last draft!!

Indeed. Richmond late pick Limbach played very few games so its hard to know just how good the lad will is.

Melbourne Rivers was in a similar boat missing alot of TAC games.

 

[Hawka Deano]

I assumed he would watch more of the local lads (is he Victorian?) than he would SA juniors.



I know. Good read.



Lets hope Pattison comes good.

I know that his brothers post of HHQ. Lets be serious, players dont really support clubs when they get to AFL level.



Indeed. Richmond late pick Limbach played very few games so its hard to know just how good the lad will is.

Melbourne Rivers was in a similar boat missing alot of TAC games.

Rivers missed a lot of TAC games because he played for North Adelaide. I'm pretty sure they don't compete in the TAC Cup.

 

[F/D]

Jeez, what a waste of a pick

 

[Bentleigh]

Rivers missed a lot of TAC games because he played for North Adelaide. I'm pretty sure they don't compete in the TAC Cup.

What ever you idiot.

I was under the impression River was taken later than expected because of a injury ridden year before the draft.

 

[Hawka Deano]

What ever you idiot.

I was under the impression River was taken later than expected because of a injury ridden year before the draft.

Touchy aren't you. Just another thing that you have twisted to try and talk up Richmond's recruits. Buy your reckoning, Limbach was injured for most of the year like Rivers was so this must mean he will be as good Go figure!! He is probably more chance of being the next Lachlan Veale

 

[Bentleigh]

Touchy aren't you. Just another thing that you have twisted to try and talk up Richmond's recruits. Buy your reckoning, Limbach was injured for most of the year like Rivers was so this must mean he will be as good Go figure!! He is probably more chance of being the next Lachlan Veale

Did I ever say that makes him as good as Rivers idiot?

Nay, simply that he is comming from a similar situation.

Wiz on Limbach:

BARGAINS - LIMBACH, Dean

AFL potential - LIMBACH, Dean (52) [Ric] Versatile marking tall. Shown great promise but only in cameo. Officially has a 6cm reach disadvantage but, if he wasn't so damn skinny or I could be sure he could bulk up enough, he'd definitely be in the group above.

http://www.voy.com/51976/2983.html

 

[evo]

CyberKev .This obsession you have with comparing Hawthorn to Richmond all the time really has to stop.We're the spooners mate.Surely you could aim higher. They're even naming threads after you around here I see.

For what it's worth, I and a few other amatuer TAC followers over at PRE were big raps on Jordan Lewis.He is exactly they type of player Richmond could have done with,a bullocking largish midfielder.Alot of us were hoping he'd drop through to our pick #12.Fact is though,we couldn't overlook Tambling at #4 in favour of him.I don't see there being a problem with his speed.I don't see North's Harris as appearing particularly fast but I can see him being a 10 year inside midfielder.Ricuitto or Voss aren't fast but they sure make a difference when the go onto the ball.

People around here have been focussing on the Hawthorn v. Richmond picks who in my my opinion picked very well on balance.While seemingly ignoringing some of the way more questionable picks like Dogs pick of Williams at #6 and Collingwoods pick of Egan at #9.Both these are alot more highly questionable.

 

[Bentleigh]

While seemingly ignoringing some of the way more questionable picks like Dogs pick of Williams at #6 and Collingwoods pick of Egan at #9.Both these are alot more highly questionable.

Both were iffy imo.

I understand Willams. A project player but one of the highest class in terms of speed, height etc. Still, 6 is very high for this type of plater.

Egan i dont think will pay off.

 

[CyberKev]

Haha, Evo...

I scarcely get to mention Richmond and its players in any shape or form... All I get to do on this site is deflect Tiger attacks on Hawk draftees, but it can be good for a laugh.

I wouldn't write-off any draftee off at this point.

I note that Tom Williams is set to debut for the Hounds this weekend, which is a remarkable feat given that he only took the sport up 18 months ago.

Eade's lavish praise of Williams for his "athleticism" set some alarm bells ringing, but the Hounds appear to have something to work with. It will be interesting to see if young Williams has the smarts to make it at the top level, but I wouldn't call him a washout yet.

Re: Lewis. Obviously I wouldn't have expected the Tigers to take him ahead of Deledio & Tambling. Suggestions by some that he is destined to fail in the big show predominantly because he was 3/10ths of a second slower than the fastest player from a standing start over 20 metres @ the last draft camp are what I've tended to be most opposed to when discussing Lewis (rather than what number he went at and who he didn't go to).

 

[OldSchool]

I note that Tom Williams is set to debut for the Hounds this weekend, which is a remarkable feat given that he only took the sport up 18 months ago.

Eade's lavish praise of Williams for his "athleticism" set some alarm bells ringing, but the Hounds appear to have something to work with. It will be interesting to see if young Williams has the smarts to make it at the top level, but I wouldn't call him a washout yet.

Saw him play last week and he didn't set the world on fire by any stretch of the imagination. Had one good quarter where he tooks a few marks etc but it was far from a 4 Q effort.

Not sure what they have planned for him but they did move him to the wing in the last q last week.
Perhaps they have a specific run with role in mind.

 

[Cuneyt]

Sam Mitchell isnt quick either, but he gets plenty of the ball....

True. Speed is not always the key.