Player Watch Jordon Sweet

[Handyandy]

Feels very much like for like with Lycett. No noticeable improvement in the team, just a younger version of the same player.

Improvement would be if he could play 5-6 games in a row without breaking down

 

[Coobk001]

Given what we're getting, a player probably in the top 2 VFL rucks, what are we expecting to pay? I mean realistically his value has to be pretty low. We wouldn't expect to get a heap for Hayes, he'd probably go for free. So surely there's not much in it, maybe just a pick downgrade or a very late pick?

 

[rumoursofwinter]

I looked at Sweet's stats for his 4 afl games in 2022 where he was first ruck.

27.75 hitouts, 8.75 disposals, 1.75 marks, 5 tackles.

You could expect some upswing with continuity and age, but you can see what you get.

He's a big, fit competitive body.

It is a lot like Lycett at a low cost, which is fine by me.

 

[Handyandy]

My view is that Hayes is a better ruck, but sweet is a little more developed and fitter.

My view is we shouldn’t be cutting Hayes, we should be keeping him and adding sweet, but that’s not what they’re going to do ..

Gotta dump Lycett & keep Hayes.
Give games to Sweet/ Hayes/ Visentini & make them compete for the no1 ruck spot.

 

[raptalia]

Compare the pair;

Jordon Sweet
drafted #23 2018 Rookie Draft, dob 2/2/1998, drafted as a 20 year old, 206cm, 106kgs played 11 games in 5 seasons. and 0 in 2023.

Sam Hayes
drafted #47 2017 NATIONAL Draft, dob 9/6/99 drafted as an 18 year old, 205cms, 102kgs played 11 games in 6 seasons, and 4 in 2023.

I don't know if Sweet lost 12 months with an ACL injury like Sam, but why are we replacing Sam with someone who is no better than Sam?

Or are we stockpiling ruckmen?? That's not our MO.

Snap, as I posted the same thoughts a couple of pages back. As I posted the comparison between Sweet and Hayes stats wise is uncanny.

We went after a ready made ruckman in Grundy and did not get him so we are now settling for someone who has almost identical stats to Sam Hayes.

Maybe this is some crazy plan to trade Sam Hayes to the Western Bulldogs for Jordan Sweet lol.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[snozulu]

Compare the pair;

Jordon Sweet
drafted #23 2018 Rookie Draft, dob 2/2/1998, drafted as a 20 year old, 206cm, 106kgs played 11 games in 5 seasons. and 0 in 2023.

Sam Hayes
drafted #47 2017 NATIONAL Draft, dob 9/6/99 drafted as an 18 year old, 205cms, 102kgs played 11 games in 6 seasons, and 4 in 2023.

I don't know if Sweet lost 12 months with an ACL injury like Sam, but why are we replacing Sam with someone who is no better than Sam?

Or are we stockpiling ruckmen?? That's not our MO.

Jordon Sweet doesn't smoke.

 

[1954]

Sobering thought for those who were around in 1973 only one of the those guys is still alive, (the guitarist in blue on the right), and two of them, the blond singer and the drummer both died from natural causes (one from a heart attack, and the other cancer) when only their 50's.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Snap, as I posted the same thoughts a couple of pages back. As I posted the comparison between Sweet and Hayes stats wise is uncanny.

We went after a ready made ruckman in Grundy and did not get him so we are now settling for someone who has almost identical stats to Sam Hayes.

Maybe this is some crazy plan to trade Sam Hayes to the Western Bulldogs for Jordan Sweet lol.

Tricky to compare across leagues though.

The VFL is stronger than the SANFL and having done that in an 21 team league with most AFL teams having a reserve side in the comp (of which 7 of the top 8 were AFL reserve sides) is arguably more impressive as a factor too.

 

[dirty2]

WTF

Lycett is 203cm?

He is the shortest 200cm+ player I've ever seen. I always thought he was a 'short' ruckman, like around 198ish.

He just doesn't jump

 

[dirty2]

Heard North might be interested in Lycett if Goldstein goes.

Doesn't this prove beyond a doubt that nobody watches our games.

 

[philthy05]

The comparison was asked because it’s each players best year of league football.

Unfortunately when Hayes was given (his limited) opportunities he never stood up, has never dominated a game in the AFL, this year he has had 4 chances to make a statement.

Very limited player, no tank. Good/average SANFL player is his limit. Will probs go to a VFL club next year and contribute fine

which is fine. all I said was we should note the differing ages at the time of the seasons stats presented.

as for you line about Hayes never standing up or dominating that is wrong. he had a 47 hitout game in his first 5 games which as far as I can see is an AFL record.

lycetts career high is 43, at the end of his career.

hayes did have dominant patches. that's not to say he was perfect, he was a developing prospect who we abandoned developing.


and now we are going to pick up sweet to cover for our lack of development. okay. hopefully we don't make the same mistakes going forward with new rucks ie Dante and whoever is to come after that.

 

[Blinky Nyland]

Tricky to compare across leagues though.

The VFL is stronger than the SANFL and having done that in an 21 team league with most AFL teams having a reserve side in the comp (of which 7 of the top 8 were AFL reserve sides) is arguably more impressive as a factor too.

I agree, we constantly hear the line that the SANFL is the second best competition but I doubt that comparison really true. When you take into account that AFL aligned clubs in the VFL have not only got the AFL reserves but are able to recruit top ups that are not drafted and players that are not state league reserves rejects, as our aFL affiliated teams are restricted to. I suspect a best of VFL with AFL reserves included would smash a similarly constituted SANFL side

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

All the Dogs fans are saying marking is a big weakness, which is a huge shame. We really need a ruck that can start clunking them or at least heavily contesting around the ground.

Feels very much like for like with Lycett. No noticeable improvement in the team, just a younger version of the same player.

Without the evidence that he’s an absolute potato that spuds it up in the big games that matter, consistently.

 

[Jonts]

It's a good year for spuds...

Having our captain and co captain in the top 10 whilst making the top 4 is a greay effort

 

[Peninsula Boy]

If it is Jordan Sweet you are posting about I am sorry to disappoint you. Jordan averages 8.2 disposals per game compared to Sam Hayes' 8.1 in the same number of AFL games. On the other hand Peter Ladhams, who we traded, averages 14.2 disposals per
game. Jordan Sweet averages 21.4 hit outs per game while Hayes has 25.4 hit outs per game. Of course that does not mean that Jordan isn't a better prospect than Sam but the similarity in their stats is uncanny and on that basis I am hesitant to paint Jordan Sweet as something he is not.

I was looking at the VFL numbers where there is a continuity.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Hitouts last 10 games VFL: 53, 49, 43, 25, 50, 42, 52, 55, 43, 44

 

[portly]

I don't rate Hayes as a ruck. Nor do I think he has a football brain, nor any concept of working through his problems.

Sweet is probably better, so goodbye Sam. You had plenty of chances and blew them.

 

[ozph1870]

Pick 108 should get it done

 

[klem22]

When the he'll was the last time we had a quality ruckman or two.
This dilemma is pure garbage imo. Our obsession with mediocrity is at a criminal level.
Give me a ruckman who CAN ruck, mark,run and kick goals and turn a game with his efforts. The quality of players we pick up is debilitating.

 

[Coobk001]

Hitouts last 10 games VFL: 53, 49, 43, 25, 50, 42, 52, 55, 43, 44

The figures to analyse over the year though, are the games where he didn't dominate the ruck, because it gives a bit of an insight into where he may struggle.

The games he had hit out counts in the 20s, his opponents had them in the 30s, Kieren Briggs, Tom Hickey, Ned Moyle, all seemed to get the better of him. So when he steps up to the next level, you'd have to think that we're looking at someone that'll be competitive but no superstar.

If you look at the Hayes Vs Briggs battle, it ended 31 to 12, though Sam was subbed off in the last. When Sweet went up against him he had 22 vs Briggs 34. So in theory his ruck work might not be far beyond Hayes, despite being a year older. So the comparisons of the two, as pretty even, probably aren't unfair. Especially given Sam was playing through a shoulder complaint.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Nice to feel wanted but a 26 year old who has amassed 11 games since being picked up at pick#23 in the 2018 Rookie Draft does not exactly fill me with confidence. We would be better off keeping Sam Hayes. Sam has also played 11 games since we signed him in 2017. Jordan Sweet's match day averages are much the same as Sam Hayes' figures.

I am obviously missing something as Jordan Sweet looks like another player for Ken Hinkley's 'won't get a game' list. Are there two Jordan sweets playing AFL?

How does a player with 11 games in five years qualify as a 'gun'.

Correct, exactly what I said yesterday Tim English is one of the best ruckman in the league but I didn’t see many clubs chasing Jordan Sweet in the last 5 years. Hope I am completely wrong

 

[Schulzenfest]

Correct, exactly what I said yesterday Tim English is one of the best ruckman in the league but I didn’t see many clubs chasing Jordan Sweet in the last 5 years. Hope I am completely wrong

West Coast offered Sweet a three year deal as well.

 

[Grave Danger]

Just to confirm the 'Hayes's file has been stamped' theory...

 

[Jonts]

Just to confirm the 'Hayes's file has been stamped' theory...

If this means we contributed to Carlton giving him 4 years well done Crippa