Judging The Crows 05'

[Cap]

So how should be judge the crows 05 progress, if we set some standards now we can then at the end of the year decide if we are happy with the progress Craigy is having with the Club. I realise you cant tell after 1 year but I’m sure the club would have some predetermined targets for the year that Craigy would have to meet.

Of course depending on our injury run I would like to see

Minimum of 9 games won preferably 12 (10 home wins 2 away)
Top 5 Defensive Team (as this is a current strength)
Top 5 Hardball gets
Top 10 Attack
Top 3 Clearances for Ruck Situations
1 Rising Star Nomination
Top 8 Goal scoring Average (Goals per shot)

These are the kind of targets I was thinking about which could do with some tinkering no doubt


Any thoughts?

 

[noddy]

So how should be judge the crows 05 progress, if we set some standards now we can then at the end of the year decide if we are happy with the progress Craigy is having with the Club. I realise you cant tell after 1 year but I’m sure the club would have some predetermined targets for the year that Craigy would have to meet.

Of course depending on our injury run I would like to see

Minimum of 9 games won preferably 12 (10 home wins 2 away)
Top 5 Defensive Team (as this is a current strength)
Top 5 Hardball gets
Top 10 Attack
Top 3 Clearances for Ruck Situations
1 Rising Star Nomination
Top 8 Goal scoring Average (Goals per shot)

These are the kind of targets I was thinking about which could do with some tinkering no doubt


Any thoughts?

Definitely in top 5 for hbg

& if we can be in top 3 for ruck clearances as well then my prediction of a top 8 finish is very gettable. (injuries permitting of course)

Would love us to receive a couple of RSN.

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

Interesting concept

I think 10-12 wins is realistic. Could be 13-14 in best case scenario IMO. I dont reckon we will win 10 at home though. We will try but unfortunately our home ground advantage has been worn away in recent years....Perhaps 8 home wins (with the aim of winning all obviously!)

The other category I would be VERY disappointed in is if we only have one rising start nomination. With Craig and Stewart as noted developers of young talent I would hope at least 3 nominations for some of our promising youngsters (Jericho, Watts etc)

 

[Cap]

The other category I would be VERY disappointed in is if we only have one rising start nomination. With Craig and Stewart as noted developers of young talent I would hope at least 3 nominations for some of our promising youngsters (Jericho, Watts etc)

I tend to agree but the problem with RSN is that are like All Australian

I was going to put 3 ALL Australians but its so subjective because the selectors may simply like another play more.

 

[Mego Red]

Could be 13-14 in best case scenario IMO.

Well, that's certainly a best case scenario.

What do I hope for? Three wins. Sorry, but we have to have at least ONE disasterous year to build a volume of quality picks. We obviously can't acquire them by trading players on our list. We finally can cut a few players who are still contracted but aren't of high enough quality - and we can get a decent pick in the pre-season draft to get a player to come home.

What else do I hope for? A couple of excess players have blinders, increase their value and get traded.

I know that sound harsh, but I think the alternative is a seasons of mediocrity. You have to build through quality picks and it takes three years. This is year one.

 

[Mad Dog]

I'd like to see all these things achieved but stats can mask a few problems - ie AFC have been the most frequent Inside 50 side of the past few years... go figure.

ATM I count 7 players who are "retain at all cost" players.
Roo/Benny/Trent/Kenny/Stiffy/Watts/Edwards...... by the end of 2005 I would like to see another 7 players on that list..maybe Reilly/Rutten/Goodwin/Macca/Thommo/Krueger/Chewwy/Burton..... (if these guys could make themselves indispensible by R22 '05 - then the season has been a step forward.

If 80% of our draft picks have had better than good seasons for their SANFL clubs - then there's been a step forward.

AS far as on field is concerned - if we could finish 7th or 8th - then I think that would be a good result - and I think it's possible given our favourable draw.

The secret to a successful 2005 is to see a bridging of the gap between our senior players and the youngsters. As we've discussed b4 - there are too many in the Shirley/Ladhams /Skipworth mold......If we could arrive at R22 next year with definite opinions on these guys - and act on them - then it's been a successful year in our climb back to the top.

I apologise if this all seems very qualitative......but the 3 big priorities for '05 are
list management
list management
list management

the skills have let us down over the last few years - and NC is working on that - but we need to work towards a list of intelligent and commited footballers - hopefully 2005 will get us a fair way down that track.

 

[drakeyv2]

I don't know about setting those sorts of targets.

I will be satisfied with their progress if I can see them getting games into Henshell, Watts, Bock, Jerico, Kreuger, Rutten, Smith, Riley & co. We won't be consistant winners until these guys have played 30 to 50 games (provided they are good enough), so that's what I want to see.

I won't be happy unless we win games, but if I can see we are making progress is building a side I can wear the loses.

 

[Mad Dog]

What do I hope for? Three wins. Sorry, but we have to have at least ONE disasterous year to build a volume of quality picks. .

 

[Crowked]

I hope we can achieve all those measures but most of all I just want to see good football. The style of game we played under Ayres was absolute crap, as indirect as possible. Also the style of game we played in some of the later games under Craig were crap, particularly the Kangaroos game. I want football of the watchable variety, I dont have that much hair left to pull out.

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

I hope we can achieve all those measures but most of all I just want to see good football. The style of game we played under Ayres was absolute crap, as indirect as possible. Also the style of game we played in some of the later games under Craig were crap, particularly the Kangaroos game. I want football of the watchable variety, I dont have that much hair left to pull out.

I want to see good footy also - the Dees game when Craig took over was sensational. Fast, attacking and skillful - the Crows of old!

Having said that sometimes we will need to vary game plans depending on the situation - another thing Ayres was bl00dy hopeless at. I think Craig is very open to new ideas - the trick will be striking the right balance with flexibility and sufficent structure for the players to follow

 

[Cap]

I want to see good footy also - the Dees game when Craig took over was sensational. Fast, attacking and skillful - the Crows of old!

Having said that sometimes we will need to vary game plans depending on the situation - another thing Ayres was bl00dy hopeless at. I think Craig is very open to new ideas - the trick will be striking the right balance with flexibility and sufficent structure for the players to follow

I agree with that as well, however my point is surely there is some sort of measure we can use to decide if this has been implemented.the way i see it in 12 months time we can have a look and say Ok craig acheived these goals so we a re happy with his progress - or he didnt and here is why/ or we are ********ed off !!

For Instance Possesions Per Goal would be a good measure for how efficent we are, Marks inside 50 will show if he is making any progress on possibly the worst part of our game, Also a consistency in our scoring - instead of blocks of goals which seems to be the fashion for the crows a consistent number of goals per quater (obvoiusly this cant always happen)

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I expect us to win between 7-9 games. I can live with that provided we go more direct into our forward 50 and we show some toughness all over the ground. I would like to see Adelaide get back to the days where, if one of ours gets unfairly dealt with, then there are repercussions. The most disappointing thing I have witnessed in my time supporting the AFC was the lack of support Doughty received from his team mates after the Farmer incident. Surely the sight of one of your team mates getting a knee to the head would provoke some sort of response from you?

I would also like to see more improvement from our younger guns and I would like to see more game time from Schuie, Krugs and Smith ( Smith - scary ). I believe that in 2005 all players start with a clean slate, however this must be the year where if you don't preform, it's time for us to sink the slipper.

 

[conVINCEd]

I don't know if I can predict how many wins would make it a 'successful' season - there are simple to many things that can change.

As a few others have mentioned, I think List Management is vital this year - sort through the crap and then if it is still crap at seasons end, get rid of it. I know contracts have played a large part, but I am tired of having mediocore players on our list.

As for statistical gauges, I'd also like us to be high up in hard ball gets, and also for our defence to be one of the best in terms of points conceded.

As for our gamestyle, I just want to see us be able to create space in our forward line and use the strengths that we have down there - pace, with Welsh and Jericho.

When we created space in our forward in the Melbourne game, Welsh kicked 8, simply because he was able to use his pace. In a crowded forward line, Welsh isn't much chop, because his opponents (as our FF) are nearly always bigger and stronger than him This seems like common-sense to me, and I have been harping on about it for ages, but it frustrated me no end to see three-quarters of the players on the field in our forward 50 during the Ayres era.

I think the most important thing for 2005 though, is to have our younger players improve.

Reilly - to play in the midfield and become a quality player
Johncock - to spend more time in the midfield, and develop all-round
Schuback - to play some AFL footy, and impress at this level
Hentschel - continue to improve, and use his footy-smarts to impact games
etc, etc, it would take to long to do every player < 23 y.o.

Many have mentioned Smith as a youngster who they want to see improve, as do I, but with Kenny at CHB and Rutten at FB, with Bassett taking the third tall - where does Smith play?

 

[Cap]

Many have mentioned Smith as a youngster who they want to see improve, as do I, but with Kenny at CHB and Rutten at FB, with Bassett taking the third tall - where does Smith play?

i tend to agree with that but you always need a replacement just in case 1 of the m falls down,

I also agree that you can't judge the team on the number of wins along hence this thread !!

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I'd like to see all these things achieved but stats can mask a few problems - ie AFC have been the most frequent Inside 50 side of the past few years... go figure.

ATM I count 7 players who are "retain at all cost" players.
Roo/Benny/Trent/Kenny/Stiffy/Watts/Edwards...... by the end of 2005 I would like to see another 7 players on that list..maybe Reilly/Rutten/Goodwin/Macca/Thommo/Krueger/Chewwy/Burton..... (if these guys could make themselves indispensible by R22 '05 - then the season has been a step forward.

If 80% of our draft picks have had better than good seasons for their SANFL clubs - then there's been a step forward.

AS far as on field is concerned - if we could finish 7th or 8th - then I think that would be a good result - and I think it's possible given our favourable draw.

The secret to a successful 2005 is to see a bridging of the gap between our senior players and the youngsters. As we've discussed b4 - there are too many in the Shirley/Ladhams /Skipworth mold......If we could arrive at R22 next year with definite opinions on these guys - and act on them - then it's been a successful year in our climb back to the top.

I apologise if this all seems very qualitative......but the 3 big priorities for '05 are
list management
list management
list management

the skills have let us down over the last few years - and NC is working on that - but we need to work towards a list of intelligent and commited footballers - hopefully 2005 will get us a fair way down that track.

Im with you MD. But the young ones coming through MUST improve.
It cant be left to the older few.

Also I would like to see at least one of our draftees from this year play a couple of games.

 

[drakeyv2]

Many have mentioned Smith as a youngster who they want to see improve, as do I, but with Kenny at CHB and Rutten at FB, with Bassett taking the third tall - where does Smith play?

I wouldn't mind seeing him at least tried at CHB during the pre-season, with Kenny at CHF. Kenny is our best big man & rarely beaten so I think you can make a case for him being at CHF. I reckon you could build a game around him there anyway.

I'm not the greatest Bassett fan, so I don't know why people automaticaly assume he will take the 3rd tall. I think this is especially true if Benny Hart can get fit.

 

[Stiffy_18]

So how should be judge the crows 05 progress, if we set some standards now we can then at the end of the year decide if we are happy with the progress Craigy is having with the Club. I realise you cant tell after 1 year but I’m sure the club would have some predetermined targets for the year that Craigy would have to meet.

Of course depending on our injury run I would like to see

Minimum of 9 games won preferably 12 (10 home wins 2 away)
Top 5 Defensive Team (as this is a current strength)
Top 5 Hardball gets
Top 10 Attack
Top 3 Clearances for Ruck Situations
1 Rising Star Nomination
Top 8 Goal scoring Average (Goals per shot)

These are the kind of targets I was thinking about which could do with some tinkering no doubt


Any thoughts?

If we rank like that in the categories you mentioned then we are top 4 side

 

[Cap]

I cant see McGregor going forward for an entire season though, dont get me wrong the guy is talented but i think he is always going to be a CHB,

is smith capable of playing forward ?

 

[mymansyd]

I cant see McGregor going forward for an entire season though, dont get me wrong the guy is talented but i think he is always going to be a CHB,

is smith capable of playing forward ?

Does Donald Duck have lips?

 

[Cap]

Does Donald Duck have lips?

Hmm an interesting way to say No

well hope he likes his sturt jumper

 

[Alex99]

I know it only the silly season and silly statements are made at this time of the year, but anyway this is my prediction for the season ’05

I can see the crows picking up 11 wins and 11 losses.

The wins l expect are:

Round 1 vs. WCE @ AAMI
Round 5 vs. WB @ Telstra Dome
Round 6 vs. kangaroos @ AAMI
Round 10 vs. Carlton @ AAMI
Round 13 vs. Richmond @ Telstra Dome
Round 14 vs. Fremantle @ AAMI
Round 15 vs. Hawthorn @ Aurora (Tasmania)
Round 16 vs. WB @ AAMI
Round 18 vs. Sydney @ AAMI
Round 19vs. Melbourne @ AAMI
Round 21 vs. Collingwood @AAMI

After the first 11 rounds we could be looking at 4 wins and 7 losses but with a strond run home and 7 wins and 4 losses we end with 11 and 11, we have to have a few lucky breaks go our way early in the season, possibly by having a showdown victory or Swans at SCG, round 4 Melbourne at the MCG or Lions at AAMI win. And turn it into a 13 and 9 or even 14 and 8.

 

[Alex99]

is smith capable of playing forward ?

Iam a fan of Matthew Smith but no way is he a forward, sold in SANFL in defence and could develop in to a handy back up in the AFL, but as a forward, not a chance

 

[drakeyv2]

I know it only the silly season and silly statements are made at this time of the year, but anyway this is my prediction for the season ’05

I can see the crows picking up 11 wins and 11 losses.

The wins l expect are:

Round 1 vs. WCE @ AAMI
Round 5 vs. WB @ Telstra Dome
Round 6 vs. kangaroos @ AAMI
Round 10 vs. Carlton @ AAMI
Round 13 vs. Richmond @ Telstra Dome
Round 14 vs. Fremantle @ AAMI
Round 15 vs. Hawthorn @ Aurora (Tasmania)
Round 16 vs. WB @ AAMI
Round 18 vs. Sydney @ AAMI
Round 19vs. Melbourne @ AAMI
Round 21 vs. Collingwood @AAMI

After the first 11 rounds we could be looking at 4 wins and 7 losses but with a strond run home and 7 wins and 4 losses we end with 11 and 11, we have to have a few lucky breaks go our way early in the season, possibly by having a showdown victory or Swans at SCG, round 4 Melbourne at the MCG or Lions at AAMI win. And turn it into a 13 and 9 or even 14 and 8.

I think 14/8 is a bit of a stretch. This year that would have put you a game away from the double chance.

I think 11/11 would be an unbelievable result with our current squad.

 

[Alex99]

I think 14/8 is a bit of a stretch. This year that would have put you a game away from the double chance.

I think 11/11 would be an unbelievable result with our current squad.

I don’t know, maybe Iam just being very optimistic or looking at the draw with rose coloured glasses on but 11 and 11 or even 12 and 10 doesn’t look that unrealistic.

 

[dreamkillers]

Definitely in top 5 for hbg

& if we can be in top 3 for ruck clearances as well then my prediction of a top 8 finish is very gettable. (injuries permitting of course)

If you can be in the top 3 for ruck clearances there is no need to be in the top 8 for hard ball gets..........if you control the ball out of the centre there is no need to be high up in the HBG's.

We led the comp in 2000 for HBG's whereas this year we were last - I know which season I preferred.


and instead of aiming for a Top 8 Goal scoring Average go even further and aim for a Top 8 Goals per inside 50 as that helps you win the close ones.