News Kernahan Statement re Elliott

[ESKIE]

Would've liked his life membership to be revoked as well.


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/season2008/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/79724/default.aspx


"Kerrnahan: "Elliott's comments insulting"


Statement by the President of the Carlton Football Club, Stephen Kernahan

Former Carlton President, John Elliott recently suggested that payments were made to women to keep them from going public in relation to alleged sexual misconduct of players during his term as President.

Mr Elliott resigned his Presidency in October 2002 and has had no official position with the Club since.

Since these allegations were made the Carlton Football Club has carried out a thorough investigation that has included discussions with relevant people who were involved with the Club during Mr Elliott’s presidency. As a result of these investigations the Carlton Football Club is not aware of the payments referred to by Mr Elliott.

“The allegations refer to a period prior to the current administration and as such we have addressed this matter with former administrators and officials of the Club and confirm that we have no knowledge of the allegations made by Mr Elliott,” said Carlton President, Stephen Kernahan.

Kernahan, who was captain of the Club between 1987 and 1997, said he was bewildered by the allegations and found Mr Elliott’s comments regarding the treatment of women as disgraceful.

“As far as we are aware there is no basis to John’s allegations so why he made them only he can say. We have noted that he has since publicly claimed to know nothing about these alleged payments.

“These comments and his ongoing behavour have impacted negatively on everyone who was associated with this Club during his time as President. Having then trivialized the matter is appalling and while he does not represent this Club there is no doubt he has disgraced the Carlton Football Club and in doing so slurred everyone connected with Carlton.

“We all have to take responsibility for our comments and actions and everyone at Carlton; members, supporters, officials, players, coaches, past players, indeed the entire Carlton family, have been insulted by John’s comments and actions.

“As a result, while John harbours such opinions he will not be welcome at the Club and he will not be permitted to attend any official Carlton Football Club functions.”

Kernahan added the Club, together with the AFL, has taken a strong stance on behavioural issues, in particular respecting women and supporting the important role women play in the AFL.

“The published Respect & Responsibility Policy and Players’ Personal Code of Conduct binds all participants’ behaviour,” Kernahan said.

“We have been proactive in forming and supporting the Women of Carlton as the official female supporter group of the Club. One of the formation and ongoing goals is to support and enhance the Carlton Football Club as an organisation where women feel welcome, valued and heard,” Kernahan added.

Carlton has conducted a thorough investigation into these allegations and has confirmed it has a clear policy on inappropriate behaviour – the relevant authority to deal with allegations of a criminal nature is the Victoria Police

 

[Chism]

Sticks pretty much replied Publicly with a straight bat and said exactly what i thought he would.

Elliott is a Goose and has caused irrepairable Damage to the Club

 

[The Cranium]

Just go to Bay 13....its a bloody joke what we are being labelled with now...

 

[Carlton Villa]

Just go to Bay 13....its a bloody joke what we are being labelled with now...

Yeah by the 13 year old scummer supporters.

 

[thylacine60]

Still can't work out why Carlton posters continue to front up there. How many Carlton BF subscribers are regular swimmers in that toilet anyway? Must be just a handful surely.

 

[ESKIE]

Just go to Bay 13....its a bloody joke what we are being labelled with now...

Only been there a couple of times...far too feral

 

[Dramoth]

The muppets on bay 13 will always overlook their clubs faults and failings and hammer the blues...

Who gives a toss what those happy little chaps think at the end of the day...

Collingwood invented tanking, Melbourne have the distinction of being the only club that has a person found to be taking performance enhancing drugs.

The west coke e-girls can bitch all they like, but their club is so tainted by cousins, kerr and all their gangster buddies that it will take about 10 years and some pretty hefty publicity campaigns to clear their names.

 

[celtic_pride]

The gist of what I got, is that once Elliott publicly (and privately) apologies to the club, and promises never to go and make any damaging comments like that again.

He'll be back at the club next year without a shadow of a doubt (Big Jack is still popular amongst many of the past players btw)

Anyone who thinks he should be stripped of life membership is a dead set douchebag ..
I don't agree with Big Jack being barred from club functions (although to be honest, I can see why it happened)

He made some stupid comments, and there has been no proof or evidence that Elliott did 'pevert' the course of justice so to speak, therefore there is no legal grounds to revoke his life membership ..

I wish all the bitter Elliott bashers could get off Big Jack's back and cut him some slack ... He did make a bloody big mistake I admit, but some people here would pin/blame the Global economic crisis on Big Jack ..

 

[Biffinator]

The muppets on bay 13 will always overlook their clubs faults and failings and hammer the blues...

Who gives a toss what those happy little chaps think at the end of the day...

Collingwood invented tanking, Melbourne have the distinction of being the only club that has a person found to be taking performance enhancing drugs.

The west coke e-girls can bitch all they like, but their club is so tainted by cousins, kerr and all their gangster buddies that it will take about 10 years and some pretty hefty publicity campaigns to clear their names.

For 'Melbourne' read 'Richmond' and Justin Charles.

My dear Carlton friends.

IMO, this is not quite over. To claim that knowledge of the hush money and the sexual indiscretions (to put them mildly) was compartmentalised to Big Jack alone ignores how football clubs work.

An executive officer, a football manager and a president all form a triumvirate (off the top of my head, I am not quite sure what were the equivalent titles back at Carlton in the 1990s - but surely the structure was in place) that work hand in glove together.

Yes, Big Jack is a blabberer. Yes, he is a big mouth. Yes, he is prone to rhetorical outbursts. But his information re the involvement of other senior officials was specific enough. And I would not say - and please correct me if there is evidence to the contrary - that he is a liar.

IMO, the police has got every right to chase down the kindly Uncle Collo and the current MCC secretary and ask them what they knew of these sordid affairs.

I find it very hard to believe that the answer is zippo.

If money - shamefully - was handed over in return for silence, how did Big Jack derive this cash? He has not claimed that he paid it himself - he more than inferred that it came out of the club's coffers. So how was it done.

Over to you.

Biffinator.

PS, as much I enjoy the Big Jack circus, well done to Sticks for drawing a line in the sand. It can't have been an easy decision for him personally.

 

[ESKIE]

The gist of what I got, is that once Elliott publicly (and privately) apologies to the club, and promises never to go and make any damaging comments like that again.

He'll be back at the club next year without a shadow of a doubt (Big Jack is still popular amongst many of the past players btw)

Anyone who thinks he should be stripped of life membership is a dead set douchebag ..
I don't agree with Big Jack being barred from club functions (although to be honest, I can see why it happened)

He made some stupid comments, and there has been no proof or evidence that Elliott did 'pevert' the course of justice so to speak, therefore there is no legal grounds to revoke his life membership ..

I wish all the bitter Elliott bashers could get off Big Jack's back and cut him some slack ... He did make a bloody big mistake I admit, but some people here would pin/blame the Global economic crisis on Big Jack ..

Thanks for the personal insult, as Sticks said " These comments and his ongoing behavour have impacted negatively on everyone who was associated with this Club during his time as President. Having then trivialized the matter is appalling and while he does not represent this Club there is no doubt he has disgraced the Carlton Football Club and in doing so slurred everyone connected with Carlton"

It;s not just about the ex-players or a few neanderthals that think he;s an alright bloke, it;s about the whole game, victims of rape, 40,000 members, supporters and sponsors, he;s insulted everyone.

You;ve already made your view on this on another post.

We haven;t seen the end of this, Elliott is in serious trouble.

 

[sherb]

I wish all the bitter Elliott bashers could get off Big Jack's back and cut him some slack ... He did make a bloody big mistake I admit, but some people here would pin/blame the Global economic crisis on Big Jack ..

Under his leadership the club went from being a powerhouse to a laughing stock and now, seven or so years later, he opens his big, fat gob and lands the club in the **** again.

He is not some player who lacks skills or has a poor attitude, or a coach who should be moved on - he is a former highly influential official who has done serious damage to a club he purports to love, on more than one occasion.

I think the time for cutting him some slack has passed to be honest CP.

 

[mediumsizered]

Just go to Bay 13....its a bloody joke what we are being labelled with now...

Bay 13 has become an absolute disgrace. It is virtually open slather where our club is concerned. Most of what is being posted on there has gone way beyond the original concept of Bay 13 & those who think they are being witty or amusing are just playing with themselves.

 

[sherb]

Bay 13 has become an absolute disgrace. It is virtually open slather where our club is concerned. Most of what is being posted on there has gone way beyond the original concept of Bay 13 & those who think they are being witty or amusing are just playing with themselves.

I have to agree.

Basically if you want to find any Carlton hating freak or moron, who has complete license to write whatever they want without fear of any moderation whatsoever, then Bay 13 is the place to go.

I don't mind banter and reasonably good natured exchanges between rival supporters, but Bay 13 is just a nasty, putrid, hate-riddled little forum these days. The absolute gutter of BigFooty.

 

[Lukesta63]

Yeah by the 13 year old scummer supporters.

I always kick myself after going on the bay!
I realize I've probably been jousting with a 14 y.o.
I heard HodgePodge still gets a lift to the footy and eats twisties through out the games!!

 

[serenityNow]

The gist of what I got, is that once Elliott publicly (and privately) apologies to the club, and promises never to go and make any damaging comments like that again.

He'll be back at the club next year without a shadow of a doubt (Big Jack is still popular amongst many of the past players btw)

Anyone who thinks he should be stripped of life membership is a dead set douchebag ..
I don't agree with Big Jack being barred from club functions (although to be honest, I can see why it happened)

He made some stupid comments, and there has been no proof or evidence that Elliott did 'pevert' the course of justice so to speak, therefore there is no legal grounds to revoke his life membership ..

I wish all the bitter Elliott bashers could get off Big Jack's back and cut him some slack ... He did make a bloody big mistake I admit, but some people here would pin/blame the Global economic crisis on Big Jack ..

Worst poster on all of bigfooty....deadset.

From some of the crap you have posted in regards to the incident at the heart of this.....to this dribble.

You've been following Carlton for all of 5 minutes.

I'll be doing what most others do when i see a post of yours.

Ignorig it.

 

[Dramoth]

Would've liked his life membership to be revoked as well.


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/season2008/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/79724/default.aspx


"Kerrnahan: "Elliott's comments insulting"


Statement by the President of the Carlton Football Club, Stephen Kernahan

“As a result, while John harbours such opinions he will not be welcome at the Club and he will not be permitted to attend any official Carlton Football Club functions.”

Well, maybe one more function... a special fund raiser for the club where the disgruntled and disgusted supporters get a chance to, after paying a suitable sum of money, do things to Elliott to show their disgust at his comments and actions over the last few years...

Obviously a kick to the bollocks would start at $100,000 as that would be the first place that people would start on...

 

[celtic_pride]

Thanks for the personal insult, as Sticks said " These comments and his ongoing behavour have impacted negatively on everyone who was associated with this Club during his time as President. Having then trivialized the matter is appalling and while he does not represent this Club there is no doubt he has disgraced the Carlton Football Club and in doing so slurred everyone connected with Carlton"

It;s not just about the ex-players or a few neanderthals that think he;s an alright bloke, it;s about the whole game, victims of rape, 40,000 members, supporters and sponsors, he;s insulted everyone.

You;ve already made your view on this on another post.

We haven;t seen the end of this, Elliott is in serious trouble.

Funny that, since when did Jack Elliott rape anyone ???

He isn't in any serious trouble, and even if he was, he's still got enough connections and money to get the best lawyers in town, and I would say unless you have inside info with the police investigating or talking to John Elliott (which is bullshit as they wouldn't be able to reveal anything to their friends or family anyway) you are making up crap about Elliott being in serious trouble, and you are indulging in mindless, unsubstantiated gossip.

I'm a member of the club, and I wasn't offended by his comments at all, and how dare you speak for all of the other 40 K members ...

The whole issue is just going to fade away very shortly, look if there the police had anything solid, they would be interviewing more ex-players, and btw John Elliott did apologise and his remorse seemed genuine ...

As I say though, Michael Jackson's death thankfully has relegated this issue to the backburner, and it's quite clear that everyone overreacted ...

But I might add, how convinent it is for everyone to forgive John Nicholls for his mistake (even if it happened decades ago) or the late Richard Pratt for all the 'scandal' he was involved in (whilst President at the club at the time)

The VISY price-fixing scandal probably brought more 'negativity' and 'bad press/feeling' to the club from the australian public viewpoint, then John Elliott's comments, but it's funny how everyone seems to forgive Pratt for being the patron saint of giving, and yet John Elliott is painted as the spawn of satan ...

And you know what ??

What former Collingwood president Allan Mcallistar said about Aboriginals in the mid 1990's was far more offensive and disgraceful then Elliott's comments about paying off women ...

 

[Stig O'Hara]

What former Collingwood president Allan Mcallistar said about Aboriginals in the mid 1990's was far more offensive and disgraceful then Elliott's comments about paying off women ...

Err....Jack has managed to offend the indigenous as well.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=hfKmwE5HGI4C&pg=PA124&dq=john+elliott+aboriginals

 

[blues4flag]

Just go to Bay 13....its a bloody joke what we are being labelled with now...

Don't tell me they're still going with Rape-tank?

 

[Lukesta63]

The VISY price-fixing scandal probably brought more 'negativity' and 'bad press/feeling' to the club from the australian public viewpoint, then John Elliott's comments, but it's funny how everyone seems to forgive Pratt for being the patron saint of giving, and yet John Elliott is painted as the spawn of satan ...


CP Richard Pratt's actions never cost us draft picks and 3 wooden spoons!!!

 

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

I'm a member of the club,

How do our membership prices compare to that of Geelong's? Do you still have your old Geelong membership cards?

 

[Bee]

Don't tell me they're still going with Rape-tank?

Not for too much bloody longer!

 

[ESKIE]

Funny that, since when did Jack Elliott rape anyone ???

He isn't in any serious trouble, and even if he was, he's still got enough connections and money to get the best lawyers in town, and I would say unless you have inside info with the police investigating or talking to John Elliott (which is bullshit as they wouldn't be able to reveal anything to their friends or family anyway) you are making up crap about Elliott being in serious trouble, and you are indulging in mindless, unsubstantiated gossip.

I'm a member of the club, and I wasn't offended by his comments at all, and how dare you speak for all of the other 40 K members ...

The whole issue is just going to fade away very shortly, look if there the police had anything solid, they would be interviewing more ex-players, and btw John Elliott did apologise and his remorse seemed genuine ...

As I say though, Michael Jackson's death thankfully has relegated this issue to the backburner, and it's quite clear that everyone overreacted ...

But I might add, how convinent it is for everyone to forgive John Nicholls for his mistake (even if it happened decades ago) or the late Richard Pratt for all the 'scandal' he was involved in (whilst President at the club at the time)

The VISY price-fixing scandal probably brought more 'negativity' and 'bad press/feeling' to the club from the australian public viewpoint, then John Elliott's comments, but it's funny how everyone seems to forgive Pratt for being the patron saint of giving, and yet John Elliott is painted as the spawn of satan ...

And you know what ??

What former Collingwood president Allan Mcallistar said about Aboriginals in the mid 1990's was far more offensive and disgraceful then Elliott's comments about paying off women ...

I'm not even going to respond to that drivel..I think serenityNow says it all, worst poster on BF

 

[blue gunslinger]

Celtic Pride - the issue about Jack is not that the incident may have occured - we all agree that if it did it is a poor situation for the women and the players/club
But that Jack shot his drunken mouth off for no reason and opened the club up to close scrutiny by media, public and AFL once again. I have always been a Jack backer and appreciate all that he did for the wablues however he is in the past, a sordid past and should remain there. He does not represent the club anymore and thus should not still be able to influence the club. He did this in a negative manner and it is thus unforgivable.
He was a businessman, not a footy expert. So if he has a gig on a free TV ch he should not talk about the CFC anymore. If he becomes a guest speaker he can talk generalities but should never open up about CFC esp on issues not already in the public domain. Cut him adrift. He has no place in our future.

 

[celtic_pride]

I'm not even going to respond to that drivel..I think serenityNow says it all, worst poster on BF

John Elliott gave more then 20 years of his life to this club...

What have you ever done for Carlton you fool ?

Very easy for idiots like you to can and kick a man when he's down, without forgetting all the many good and decent things he did for the club .

You call me the worst poster on BF (wouldn't be the first one to call me that btw, I take it as a reverse compliment) but I would call you a shithouse human being (with constant recriminations and refusal to see the good things that John Elliott has done, i would like to mention, Pratt wouldn't have been president of this club and kicked in all that money, if it wasn't for Big Jack YOU IDIOT)