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I, like many believe daniel kerr is the man to chase in the off season. But im interested to see what people are willing to sacrifice to lure him to the pies.

I would go with:

Our first pick (eg pick 10) + Ben Reid + Shannon Cox (Doubtful theyd want him but is WA boy)

or (dont want this to occur but it could)

Alan Didak + Our second round pick (eg pick 25)
 
I can't see the Eagles taking two players from us. They'd be more likely to look at a higher first-rounder (say if we traded Reid to another club for an exchange of first-rounders) and a player. Cox probably wouldn't be enough as a player, they'd probably want Wellingham or Davis.

The only way we could realistically get Kerr is if we decide to move Didak on, and in that case given Kerr's history it doesn't really make sense to trade one for the other. So in short, I just don't see him coming to us.
 
Why is everyone talking about Kerr for Didak??? if we get rid of dids then why would trade him for another trouble maker who has a worse off field record than Didak??
Bloody rediculous if you ask me!!
 

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There is no doubt Daniel Kerr is worth 2 first round draft picks. Will WCE get that? In short, probably not.

Kerr will command at least 1 first round draft pick + a player that can slot into the WCE best 22. Possibly another sweetener too.

Whilst many people don't think Egan has currency, I beg to differ. Not to long ago he was a top 10 draft pick and we all know he possess the talent but just doesn't seem to want it enough. Yes, his currency has declined since then but there is certainly a club out there that would take him if we got rid of him.

Would our first + second round pick + Egan get the job done? WCE have been in need of a small half-forward type flanker and Egan has played his best footy for Collingwood when used in attack. Still has youth on his side. Plus, a first and second round draft pick added to that incentive is a tempting offer. Perhaps swap Egan with Dick?

Thoughts?
 
Kerr, Warnock, Cousins.

How does that sound?
 
Pie eyed said:
Kerr, Warnock, Cousins.

How does that sound?
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Sounds great......but impossible unless we trade Pendleberry, Didak,Cloke and Thomas and our first round pick. If you believe the rumours, Melbourne are going to play hard ball with Freo over Warnock, with threats about him going into the PSD.
 
Bigness said:
Yep....because we need another tall forward :confused:
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With Rocca's future clouded and towards the end we could do with another young tall forward to develop and for depth purposes. Rocca's spot will have to be available on the list though. No use in adding another tall forward when we currently have plenty.
 
We can't trade Wellingham, Sampler, he is not on the senior list.

I am against trading for Kerr (or Brown) because I think our genuine window will open in two or three years. Let's stregthen that and really create dominance. We need to look long term, and gather rather than trade our draft picks.

Having said that, if we wanted Kerr, I would take the Didak plus second rounder that someone offered. I would also send them Rusling and take back their second rounder or PP. We need to trade away our surplus (3rd tall forwards) for picks for mids.
 
First and second round pick + Trade R Shaw to another club for a 3rd round pick - say 37

We can then give them Picks say 8, 26, 37 + Shannon Cox
 
1st, 2nd, and a 3rd round pick for Kerr? You have to be kidding? You need to l ook at longer term list management, what would be the effect of not having a first round pick in 07, 08, 09 (due to GC), and 10 (due to West Syd)? In a few years this would gut our club (in a similar way to our Judkins years has.)

We should use this opportunity to get at least one more first round pick (Didak) and possibly another (trading Ben Reid perhaps?) and build for the club's real window.

Imagine coming away from this draft with a Ziebell, Sidebottom, Blease, and potentially a Hannebury for the expense of Didak (who should go) and Reid (who is very talented, but we have surplus of).
 
brspdt201013 said:
First and second round pick + Trade R Shaw to another club for a 3rd round pick - say 37

We can then give them Picks say 8, 26, 37 + Shannon Cox
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We're going to have a space list problem at the end of this season. Most of the intelligent Eagles supporters around here agree that we wont use more than our first 3 draft picks, meaning, given we'll have 2, 18 & 20 ourselves, that a trade for Kerr would need quality, not quantity. No point accepting 27 & 37 if we arent going to use them.
 

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How many times have big name players been linked to collingwood and how many have landed there ?
Not many that's for sure.Imagine that we were the decision makers at collingwood.
Lets look at the situation realistically.
Kerr's future will be decided in 2 weeks according to the latest article in The Age.
His manager has stated that Kerr is after a 4 year deal to secure his future.If the eagles agree to that he is happy to stay,if not he may get traded.
So if he was on the trade table what would we offer ?
The eagles want 2 first round draft picks.I doubt they would get that.
Remember,that kerr is a great midfielder but he was backed up by judd and cousins.Since they have left the eagles he has not performed to that standard.
I would NOT offer DIDAK OR DAVIS.
Both of these players are in thier prime and would be crucial to our future premiership success.
I would offer our first round pick (8-11) depends where we finnish.
And a player of the calibre of Reid,ben johnson ,or rhyce shaw or Egan.
That is by far a good deal.If the eagles baulk then see ya later.
Here is the difference between didak,kerr,and Davis.
Kerr is a great midfielder,can clear the ball out of the centre and kick the odd goal or two.But he can't hurt the opposition anywhere else.
Didak and Davis can play in the midfield and can hurt the opposition playing as damaging forwards.These guys have more than one string to their bow.
I would use our second round pick to get COUSINS.
Remember also do we really need Brown ?
At best he has 2 maybe 3 years left if his body can stand up to the rigors of AFL footy.
Now it is understood that Brown is getting married in 6 weeks and is building a house in Brisbane.So to me that is a strong indicator that he is using Collingwood to play off brisbane so he can get the deal he wants,so
he'll remain in the Lion's den and sign a 4 year dael to finnish his career there.
If kerr and brown remain at their respective clubs which is highly likely keep our players and go hard in the draft or try and use later pick to nab a richatelli or adcock or prismall and get COUSINS. or a few kids which could turn out to be GOLD.
 
daics cousin said:
I would offer our first round pick (8-11) depends where we finish.
And a player of the calibre of Reid,ben johnson ,or rhyce shaw or Egan.
That is by far a good deal.If the eagles baulk then see ya later.
I would use our second round pick to get COUSINS.
Remember also do we really need Brown ?

  1. Kerr - First round pick and two of the WA players metioned above, or first and second round pick with one WA Player.
  2. Cousins - second or third round pick.
  3. Brown - Play hardball with him. Would benefit any side he goes to, but we need in and under midfielders more.
I couldn't care less if we didn't pick up any kids in the draft, as we have a plethora of kids under the various scholaship programs etc.
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I would offer Davis then we would keep Didak but because we have alot of Small Forwards and with McCaffer and Dick coming up it wouldnt hurt us as mcuh as other clubs if we could land a Mid doing it that would be perfect
 
King Woodie said:
We should use this opportunity to get at least one more first round pick (Didak) and possibly another (trading Ben Reid perhaps?) and build for the club's real window.

Imagine coming away from this draft with a Ziebell, Sidebottom, Blease, and potentially a Hannebury for the expense of Didak (who should go) and Reid (who is very talented, but we have surplus of).
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I like the way you think King, unfortunately we are in the minority. I would add in Mitch Robinson to chase as well.
 
We wont get Kerr unless we trade Didak. Its virtually a straight trade with some possible late round pick switches to even it up. Both flawed, one a gun midfielder we need, the other a gun small forward and adequate midfielder that we need to a lesser extent. Kerr is injury prone and suffers from the tag, while Dids has fewer injuries but is nowhere near as damaging in the midfield. We have plenty of other small forwards with Thomas Didak and Medhurst and the strong marking and (generally) reliable kicking of Swan, and with McAffer coming onto the radar arguably Didak is expendable if we can replace him with a genuine gun midfielder.

If we dont want to lose Didak - theres plenty of arguments both ways - , I cant see how Kerr will end up at Collingwood. Ben Reid is the only "quality" player me may possibly offer up in a cocktail with some picks or fringe players, and even then his potential is much higher than his current actual trade value. We'd be giving him away. Besides, they have Hansen, Brown, McKinley and Kennedy - they dont really neeed young kpp's.

At the end of the day I think Dids will stay a Pie and we wont have any other suitable trade to gain Kerr. But it will be a close call. It might boil down to Kerr's medical.
 
We get a top 20 draftee in Scott Reid for nothing anyhow, so it's not like we wont have an early draft pick. If we can do a straight swap Didak for Kerr I'd take it.
 

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I doubt Scott Reed would go anywhere near the top 20 at the draft.
 
why does everyone keep mentioning reid as a trade, have a little patience with these kids, everyone is saying chuck him into the deal as if he is worthless, the guy would be close to the highest rated youngster on our list, looked set to really emerge this year only to be set back on both occassions by injury

its funny with draftees, when they're drafted its.....give him a couple of years to develop, will not play senior football in his first year etc etc..........then 6-12 months down the track everyone wants to ship them off

i rate kerr extremely highly, but he is a bad egg, so lets be careful not to treat our young players as pieces of meat and offer them round everywhere

stop floating with the wind, clutching at any player available, lets go to the draft again, we've had a fair record over the last 2-3 seasons lets go with it again

if didak isn't deemed fit enough to be at our club, i fail to see how kerr would meet the required standard
 
Do either of our clubs need Kerr?

You have a gamut of young forwards which we need and we have a gamut of young midfielders which you need

Can't we just make our teams stronger so we can meet in Finals in years to come

Which one of your forwards would you trade to get one of our mids?
 
gifted1 said:
if didak isn't deemed fit enough to be at our club, i fail to see how kerr would meet the required standard
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These are the pragmatic choices that clubs make. They cant afford a no dick heads policy. All clubs will have problem children.

Didak may be flicked because twice in twelve months he has lied to the club. Kerr, as wild as he is, has a clean slate as far as we are concerned. We may be prepared to give him a shot that we have given Didak and he has let the club down on. That may sound hypocritical but thats life.

We need mids. Trading a gun small forward for a gun mid might be a good fit.
 
Didak may be flicked because twice in twelve months he has lied to the club. Kerr, as wild as he is, has a clean slate as far as we are concerned. We may be prepared to give him a shot that we have given Didak and he has let the club down on. That may sound hypocritical but thats life.
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say your a chick, would you marry a guy who beat up his last girlfriend going with the policy "he has a clean slate with me"
 

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