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Here lies within why we won't make finals this year and certainly not next year unless it's addressed in the off season.

Here is the current top 8 teams and their Key Position Players and when comparing it to our club you can see why we simply cannot win enough games of footy to play finals.

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and here is ours.

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How we've managed to leave ourselves in this position is blatant incompetency from the Current coach and Recruiters.

Ben Reid isn't the player he once was (pre injuries), Henry Schade a delisted player getting a lifeline, Moore is no where near ready to lead a forward line, Cox is an American who's had less exposure to football than 99.9% of players currently in the AFL and Jesse White who is an athletic battler.

Bulldogs are the only team who manage to defend relatively well with undersized defenders (had no idea Wood was only 187cm) and still kick a score with fairly average talls, which i suspect is why they move the ball so quickly as it gives their medium forwards space to lead in to.

Our game plan should be very similar to the Dogs, to give space for Moore, Fasolo and Elliott to lead into but instead we play treacle slow footy and expect marks to be clunked which we know just won't happen. (Probably a case to have Jeremy Howe play in the goal square and just take hangers all day)

Sam Reid is inconsistent forward but at this stage unless we can convince a tall forward to jump ship he may be our only option in the off season to pursue.

Jackson Trengove would be a very handy addition to defence and i would almost look at making him the number 1 target in the off season as he can swing forward if required.

It's looking very likely we will finish bottom 4, these players appear to be in our range.

1. Jarrod Brander (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 195cm, 83kg
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
Projected draft range: Top five
Profile: Brander is regarded as one of 2017's premier key forward prospects. He possesses a combination of speed, agility and strong hands overhead. From his four TAC Cup games in 2016, Brander averaged a very promising 2.5 goals and 6.5 marks per match.

5. Noah Balta (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 193cm, 88kg
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Freakishly athletic key forward, who breaks the lines like a small or medium size running specialist. He possesses rare speed, leaping ability and some Lance "Buddy" Franklin-like traits. Balta kicked 18 goals from his eight TAC Cup games and with continued improvement has the scope to be as good as anyone in the 2017 draft class.

6. Callum Coleman-Jones (SA)
Position: Key forward/ruck
Height, weight: 199cm, 98kg
Recruited from: Sturt
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Coleman-Jones is the most physically advanced of the talls from the 2017 draft class. He is proficient as a tap ruckman who plays with a physical edge and uses his size effectively. Coleman-Jones is a dominant contested marking force who reads the ball in flight as well as any of next year's ruckman taking powerful contested marks inside the forward 50m. He also hits the scoreboard and pushes into the back half for intercept marks. His 10 contested marks from four Under-18 Championships games speaks to the contested marking force he already is.

Dark days will continue unless we can quickly address the balance of our list, it may mean we will need to trade a midfielder to make this happen but there will be no success with the current KPP stocks.
 

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Here lies within why we won't make finals this year and certainly not next year unless it's addressed in the off season.

Here is the current top 8 teams and their Key Position Players and when comparing it to our club you can see why we simply cannot win enough games of footy to play finals.

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and here is ours.

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How we've managed to leave ourselves in this position is blatant incompetency from the Current coach and Recruiters.

Ben Reid isn't the player he once was (pre injuries), Henry Schade a delisted player getting a lifeline, Moore is no where near ready to lead a forward line, Cox is an American who's had less exposure to football than 99.9% of players currently in the AFL and Jesse White who is an athletic battler.

Bulldogs are the only team who manage to defend relatively well with undersized defenders (had no idea Wood was only 187cm) and still kick a score with fairly average talls, which i suspect is why they move the ball so quickly as it gives their medium forwards space to lead in to.

Our game plan should be very similar to the Dogs, to give space for Moore, Fasolo and Elliott to lead into but instead we play treacle slow footy and expect marks to be clunked which we know just won't happen. (Probably a case to have Jeremy Howe play in the goal square and just take hangers all day)

Sam Reid is inconsistent forward but at this stage unless we can convince a tall forward to jump ship he may be our only option in the off season to pursue.

Jackson Trengove would be a very handy addition to defence and i would almost look at making him the number 1 target in the off season as he can swing forward if required.

It's looking very likely we will finish bottom 4, these players appear to be in our range.

1. Jarrod Brander (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 195cm, 83kg
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
Projected draft range: Top five
Profile: Brander is regarded as one of 2017's premier key forward prospects. He possesses a combination of speed, agility and strong hands overhead. From his four TAC Cup games in 2016, Brander averaged a very promising 2.5 goals and 6.5 marks per match.

5. Noah Balta (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 193cm, 88kg
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Freakishly athletic key forward, who breaks the lines like a small or medium size running specialist. He possesses rare speed, leaping ability and some Lance "Buddy" Franklin-like traits. Balta kicked 18 goals from his eight TAC Cup games and with continued improvement has the scope to be as good as anyone in the 2017 draft class.

6. Callum Coleman-Jones (SA)
Position: Key forward/ruck
Height, weight: 199cm, 98kg
Recruited from: Sturt
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Coleman-Jones is the most physically advanced of the talls from the 2017 draft class. He is proficient as a tap ruckman who plays with a physical edge and uses his size effectively. Coleman-Jones is a dominant contested marking force who reads the ball in flight as well as any of next year's ruckman taking powerful contested marks inside the forward 50m. He also hits the scoreboard and pushes into the back half for intercept marks. His 10 contested marks from four Under-18 Championships games speaks to the contested marking force he already is.

Dark days will continue unless we can quickly address the balance of our list, it may mean we will need to trade a midfielder to make this happen but there will be no success with the current KPP stocks.
Kudos

Pretty much sums up my thoughts

Might be a significant plus in having a crap year if we can draft a talented young tall like Brander
 
"Notable 3rd tall - Jesse White"

You just killed a unicorn.
 

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A lot of this comes down to the Treloar deal. Because we effectively selected a mid for the past 2 drafts (3 with Degoey), a key forward was never drafted or traded in. I think the that the club expected Cloke to carry on for an extra year or so, giving them time to snare a forward through trading or free agency. That didn't happen and the only quality tall seemingly available last year was Hurley who we had a big crack at without landing him. It still boils down to club mismanagement but the question is apart from maybe Wright, how in the last few years would we have been able to bring in the key forward or back we now need?
 
For the Dogs Wood isn't a KPD, their starting FB is the great Fletcher Roberts. Cloke is injured and Boyd spends a lot of time in the ruck and Jordan Roughead has rucked for about the last two years. They're 4-1.

For Geelong Rhys Stanley plays ruck (badly) when he gets a game and Harry Taylor is a CHB playing poorly up forward. Yet they're 5-0!
Richmond have Jack Riewoldt and no one. Griffiths, Elton etc are all terrible. They're 5-0!

The 0-5 Swans have the greatest key forward of the last 20 years supported by Reid and Tippett (most of the time).

It's part of the problem for sure. But not the be all and end all. Let's hope like hell that McLarty and/or McCarthy becomes a star for us.
 
Here lies within why we won't make finals this year and certainly not next year unless it's addressed in the off season.

Here is the current top 8 teams and their Key Position Players and when comparing it to our club you can see why we simply cannot win enough games of footy to play finals.

View attachment 362825

and here is ours.

View attachment 362810

How we've managed to leave ourselves in this position is blatant incompetency from the Current coach and Recruiters.

Ben Reid isn't the player he once was (pre injuries), Henry Schade a delisted player getting a lifeline, Moore is no where near ready to lead a forward line, Cox is an American who's had less exposure to football than 99.9% of players currently in the AFL and Jesse White who is an athletic battler.

Bulldogs are the only team who manage to defend relatively well with undersized defenders (had no idea Wood was only 187cm) and still kick a score with fairly average talls, which i suspect is why they move the ball so quickly as it gives their medium forwards space to lead in to.

Our game plan should be very similar to the Dogs, to give space for Moore, Fasolo and Elliott to lead into but instead we play treacle slow footy and expect marks to be clunked which we know just won't happen. (Probably a case to have Jeremy Howe play in the goal square and just take hangers all day)

Sam Reid is inconsistent forward but at this stage unless we can convince a tall forward to jump ship he may be our only option in the off season to pursue.

Jackson Trengove would be a very handy addition to defence and i would almost look at making him the number 1 target in the off season as he can swing forward if required.

It's looking very likely we will finish bottom 4, these players appear to be in our range.

1. Jarrod Brander (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 195cm, 83kg
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
Projected draft range: Top five
Profile: Brander is regarded as one of 2017's premier key forward prospects. He possesses a combination of speed, agility and strong hands overhead. From his four TAC Cup games in 2016, Brander averaged a very promising 2.5 goals and 6.5 marks per match.

5. Noah Balta (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 193cm, 88kg
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Freakishly athletic key forward, who breaks the lines like a small or medium size running specialist. He possesses rare speed, leaping ability and some Lance "Buddy" Franklin-like traits. Balta kicked 18 goals from his eight TAC Cup games and with continued improvement has the scope to be as good as anyone in the 2017 draft class.

6. Callum Coleman-Jones (SA)
Position: Key forward/ruck
Height, weight: 199cm, 98kg
Recruited from: Sturt
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Coleman-Jones is the most physically advanced of the talls from the 2017 draft class. He is proficient as a tap ruckman who plays with a physical edge and uses his size effectively. Coleman-Jones is a dominant contested marking force who reads the ball in flight as well as any of next year's ruckman taking powerful contested marks inside the forward 50m. He also hits the scoreboard and pushes into the back half for intercept marks. His 10 contested marks from four Under-18 Championships games speaks to the contested marking force he already is.

Dark days will continue unless we can quickly address the balance of our list, it may mean we will need to trade a midfielder to make this happen but there will be no success with the current KPP stocks.

http://websites.sportstg.com/team_i...198153486&client=1-3289-35008-340344-20259682

Date Opposition G BST
Thu 2/Apr South Adelaide 3 4
Wed 15/Apr West Adelaide 10 1
Fri 24/Apr North Adelaide 6 2


Darcy Fogarty

193cm 90kg bull.
 
For the Dogs Wood isn't a KPD, their starting FB is the great Fletcher Roberts. Cloke is injured and Boyd spends a lot of time in the ruck and Jordan Roughead has rucked for about the last two years. They're 4-1.

For Geelong Rhys Stanley plays ruck (badly) when he gets a game and Harry Taylor is a CHB playing poorly up forward. Yet they're 5-0!
Richmond have Jack Riewoldt and no one. Griffiths, Elton etc are all terrible. They're 5-0!

The 0-5 Swans have the greatest key forward of the last 20 years supported by Reid and Tippett (most of the time).

It's part of the problem for sure. But not the be all and end all. Let's hope like hell that McLarty and/or McCarthy becomes a star for us.

McLarty (and McCarthy) might be fine eventually, but who could we realistically hope to trade a good player for?
We need help asap.
 
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McLarty (and McCarthy) might be fine eventually, but who could we realistically jope to trade a good player for?
We need help asap.

I'd personally love Lever from Adelaide, not sure what he'd be worth. I would be prepared to trade Sidebottom who both frustrates the hell out of me and holds trade currency at the same point of time. Dunno.
 
Here lies within why we won't make finals this year and certainly not next year unless it's addressed in the off season.

Here is the current top 8 teams and their Key Position Players and when comparing it to our club you can see why we simply cannot win enough games of footy to play finals.

View attachment 362825

and here is ours.

View attachment 362810

How we've managed to leave ourselves in this position is blatant incompetency from the Current coach and Recruiters.

Ben Reid isn't the player he once was (pre injuries), Henry Schade a delisted player getting a lifeline, Moore is no where near ready to lead a forward line, Cox is an American who's had less exposure to football than 99.9% of players currently in the AFL and Jesse White who is an athletic battler.

Bulldogs are the only team who manage to defend relatively well with undersized defenders (had no idea Wood was only 187cm) and still kick a score with fairly average talls, which i suspect is why they move the ball so quickly as it gives their medium forwards space to lead in to.

Our game plan should be very similar to the Dogs, to give space for Moore, Fasolo and Elliott to lead into but instead we play treacle slow footy and expect marks to be clunked which we know just won't happen. (Probably a case to have Jeremy Howe play in the goal square and just take hangers all day)

Sam Reid is inconsistent forward but at this stage unless we can convince a tall forward to jump ship he may be our only option in the off season to pursue.

Jackson Trengove would be a very handy addition to defence and i would almost look at making him the number 1 target in the off season as he can swing forward if required.

It's looking very likely we will finish bottom 4, these players appear to be in our range.

1. Jarrod Brander (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 195cm, 83kg
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
Projected draft range: Top five
Profile: Brander is regarded as one of 2017's premier key forward prospects. He possesses a combination of speed, agility and strong hands overhead. From his four TAC Cup games in 2016, Brander averaged a very promising 2.5 goals and 6.5 marks per match.

5. Noah Balta (VIC)
Position: Key forward
Height, weight: 193cm, 88kg
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Freakishly athletic key forward, who breaks the lines like a small or medium size running specialist. He possesses rare speed, leaping ability and some Lance "Buddy" Franklin-like traits. Balta kicked 18 goals from his eight TAC Cup games and with continued improvement has the scope to be as good as anyone in the 2017 draft class.

6. Callum Coleman-Jones (SA)
Position: Key forward/ruck
Height, weight: 199cm, 98kg
Recruited from: Sturt
Projected draft range: First to second round
Profile: Coleman-Jones is the most physically advanced of the talls from the 2017 draft class. He is proficient as a tap ruckman who plays with a physical edge and uses his size effectively. Coleman-Jones is a dominant contested marking force who reads the ball in flight as well as any of next year's ruckman taking powerful contested marks inside the forward 50m. He also hits the scoreboard and pushes into the back half for intercept marks. His 10 contested marks from four Under-18 Championships games speaks to the contested marking force he already is.

Dark days will continue unless we can quickly address the balance of our list, it may mean we will need to trade a midfielder to make this happen but there will be no success with the current KPP stocks.

Yep, good points. But: Remember Keefe was a regular before he but got busted for Clen. Brown and Frost and Cloke were all roundly criticised on this forum for being 'spuds', then once they were gone Marsh walked away from the club (thanks mate!). Cloke is the one I blame the recruiters most for. I am surprised that Brown has been playing so well at the Saints. I thought he was cooked, like most others here. Oh, and we still have Dunn - though why Buckley doesn't play him I don't know.
 
I'd personally love Lever from Adelaide, not sure what he'd be worth. I would be prepared to trade Sidebottom who both frustrates the hell out of me and holds trade currency at the same point of time. Dunno.

If we are going for lever we may as well go after Mitch Mcgovern, as since he is out of contract at the end of the year will be easier to land
 

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If we are going for lever we may as well go after Mitch Mcgovern, as since he is out of contract at the end of the year will be easier to land

He's good too. Is more of a third tall type though, I think we need a bigger guy up forward. He's also from WA, so it might be harder to attract him to us. Lever is Victorian and there's already been rumours that we're into him. He is not too dissimilar to what Ben Reid used to be like & he's 21, would sure up the CHB position for 10 years.
 
Here is a novel proposition.
Draft the best key position player available,

Oh I'll add one for free

Kick straight (accuracy kills)
 
Here is a novel proposition.
Draft the best key position player available,

Oh I'll add one for free

Kick straight (accuracy kills)

I would suspect that was the strategy with taking McClarty at #30 also though. And he seems to be a good kick.
 

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Problem: Our failure to turn our speculative picks and freebies/trades into solid KPP citizens.

Thoolen, Paine, Gault, Lynch, Frost, White, Cox, Marsh, Keeffe and co.

I realise that these are mostly speculativ choices which often amount to very little. Is it just poor choices? Poor development? Bad luck? All of the above?

But until we picked up Moore as a f/s, that's been pretty much they way we've approached KPPs since drafting Reid, Brown and Dawes.

McLarty is a step in the right direction.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but choosing JDG over Wright, and Freeman over McCarthy (yes, he probably would have left for home anyway) give a glimpse of the lack of intent when it comes to KPPs in the draft, without necessarily being "to blame".

It's frustrated me for several years now.
 
I think the theory is that KPP's take a long time to develop (unless they are top five draft picks), while mids can play from day one. Also you can only play KPP's down your spine while you can play mids anywhere on the field. So stack your list with mids and hold onto a few experienced KPP's who make up the team (Nathan Brown, Reid, Cloke, Dawes), while developing some young KPP's on the list who can take over at some point of time.

So what went wrong:

GWS and GCS had access to all the high draft picks denying us access to the high end KPP's who can play from day one.
Nathan Brown ruptured his ACL which slowed him down on his return.
Reid had a series of leg problems.
Cloke lost form after 2013 due to poor delivery up field and other problems
Dawes couldn't adapt to the second ruck role.
Gault didn't develop as an alternate second forward.
Keeffe got suspended for two years.
Quentin Lynch's body didn't last more than a year
White was recruited for his athleticism more then his intuitive football skills
JDG was too good a draft pick to give up for Peter Wright after we landed our primary target man in Darcy Moore.

You needed a crystal ball to have predicted all of the above.

To right the ship we recruited McLarty last year, our future CHB when Reid retires. Dunn is a good stop gap measure at FB with Frost and Brown leaving. Schade who was really a speculative pick could have years ahead of him as a reasonable FB or CHB ( done over by Daniher but he'll learn from it). McCarthy is showing promise from Rookie list and Max Lynch could develop into the Leigh Brown role.

So the list is really not in such a bad shape as some people are making out. The way we are going we'll end up with a top 10 draft pick at the end of the season, which should land us the key forward we need to assist Moore.
 
Wasn't this the same thing to happen to Voss? Built a team full of midfielders and forgot about the KPP.

Not really - He had Jonathan Brown & recruited Fevola. So he thought key forwards were never going to be a problem.
Alas he was wrong.
 

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