Koby Stevens.

[The Fact]

You see this is where us as supporters fall into the trap of over rating our players when they are playing at minor leagues ( believe me being a tiger supporter there have been many false dawns with these types)
Angus Graham - best ruckman at vfl level totally dominates -spud at afl
Greg Tivendale- you would swear he was the next GAJ playing there- average player at afl
Kayne Pettifer 70-80 goal medium foward in the minor leagues but never A-Grade at AFL
Anthony Banik- #1 pick and was touted as being the best player ever to play - NO

I can go on & on & on, But pointless as all teams would have their versions of these players

The fact is Koby stevens is a 22 yo 2nd round selection that is slow & not a very good kick, He is injury prone so there are huge doubts to his durability (hope he is ok from now on but will never be agrade)

I personally wouldnt mind stevens at richmond but wouldnt give up anything better than a pick 50+ for him

If anybody offers westcoast a selection before 40 - Grab it and Run like thieves

Agreed what about a straight swap for Reimers coasters

 

[Goldfish]

You see this is where us as supporters fall into the trap of over rating our players when they are playing at minor leagues ( believe me being a tiger supporter there have been many false dawns with these types)
Angus Graham - best ruckman at vfl level totally dominates -spud at afl
Greg Tivendale- you would swear he was the next GAJ playing there- average player at afl
Kayne Pettifer 70-80 goal medium foward in the minor leagues but never A-Grade at AFL
Anthony Banik- #1 pick and was touted as being the best player ever to play - NO

I can go on & on & on, But pointless as all teams would have their versions of these players

The fact is Koby stevens is a 22 yo 2nd round selection that is slow & not a very good kick, He is injury prone so there are huge doubts to his durability (hope he is ok from now on but will never be agrade)

I personally wouldnt mind stevens at richmond but wouldnt give up anything better than a pick 50+ for him

If anybody offers westcoast a selection before 40 - Grab it and Run like thieves

For a pick over 40, I would rather keep him, and I think that is what most WCE supporters are getting at. His durability isn't really an issue, was drafted with OP but has not had any soft tissue injuries etc, he just smashes into pack etc. The kid could be anything, and had any one of Kerr, Priddis or Scott Selwood have gone down like Lecca did before the NAB Cup, Stevens would have played 20 games this year imo. He has only remained at WAFL level due to his ability to only play one position, and it's a position we are quite strong in.

I understand what you are saying re: VFL player, but until Stevens gets a chance to play a few AFL matches end on end it would be ridiculous to label him as such. Whether that is at WCE or elsewhere remains to be seen.

 

[THE_GUN]

For a pick over 40, I would rather keep him, and I think that is what most WCE supporters are getting at. His durability isn't really an issue, was drafted with OP but has not had any soft tissue injuries etc, he just smashes into pack etc. The kid could be anything, and had any one of Kerr, Priddis or Scott Selwood have gone down like Lecca did before the NAB Cup, Stevens would have played 20 games this year imo. He has only remained at WAFL level due to his ability to only play one position, and it's a position we are quite strong in.

I understand what you are saying re: VFL player, but until Stevens gets a chance to play a few AFL matches end on end it would be ridiculous to label him as such. Whether that is at WCE or elsewhere remains to be seen.

I also understand where your coming from but the AFL world doesnt work that way.

you mention you and other wc supporters would rather keep him BUT if you were Stevens would you be happy just waiting in the wings incase others get injured or do you want to be a regular player that plays every week.

The facts remain that after 3 years he has a handfull of games & his team doesnt see him as best 22 so they will need to trade him if he wants to leave, You cant stockpile good players that want to play. and dont get the chance

in the 80's Richmond had
Michael Roach best FF in the 1's
Mark Jackson Best FF in the reserves - went on to play at a number of teams
Brian Taylor was the Best FF in the Under 19's - went to collingwood done very well

Richmond couldnt keep them just because supporters would rather keep them than trade for unders,

 

[Play by Numbers]

Agreed what about a straight swap for Reimers coasters

Derp...

 

[The Fact]

I don't see how it's that outlandish really what sort of player our wc in need of

 

[new breed]

WCE may use Stevens in the mini draft set-up , but I reckon nothing worse then a pick 40 would be accepted by WCE and that is a stretch . It would be to the PSD where GWS and GC would snatch a good player who will only improve and he will hurt some opposition players and himself in the process with the way he plays . This is why I want him to stay at WCE , he is hard in contested play .

 

[The Fact]

Colyer and our 3rd rounder and stevens and your 2nd rounder

 

[THE_GUN]

Colyer and our 3rd rounder and stevens and your 2nd rounder

LOL so you want WC a 2nd rounder to take stevens .................. Gold

 

[The Fact]

LOL so you want WC a 2nd rounder to take stevens .................. Gold

Not really if u read the post i said Coyler and our 3rd rounder for Stevens and your 2nd rounder. But anyway to tell u the truth i'm not that interested in Stevens at all but i just trying to get some discussion happening on what Essendon might offer.

 

[THE_GUN]

Not really if u read the post i said Coyler and our 3rd rounder for Stevens and your 2nd rounder. But anyway to tell u the truth i'm not that interested in Stevens at all but i just trying to get some discussion happening on what Essendon might offer.

So you are saying that Colyer is worth more than stevens and you want your 3rd round pick upgraded to westcoast's 2nd round pick !!

Do you believe that travis Colyer would get a game at westcoast

 

[The Fact]

So you are saying that Colyer is worth more than stevens and you want your 3rd round pick upgraded to westcoast's 2nd round pick !!

Do you believe that travis Colyer would get a game at westcoast

Well it pretty clear Stevens isn't and when he has he hasn't set the world alight by any means. On Colyer getting a game at WC i honestly wouldn't know what their needs and they would be looking for hence the above posts. And while the big downside on Colyer is his kicking(reason why i'm looking to trade him) his strengths are speed, play a few different position and being able to perform strongly as a sub so again IMO the trade isn't that outlandish.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Don't have a need for a undersized midfielder with pace. We have Neates and he's a better kick than Colyer.

The question is, would Colyer crack a game with Claremont's league side?

 

[Play by Numbers]

Not really if u read the post i said Coyler and our 3rd rounder for Stevens and your 2nd rounder. But anyway to tell u the truth i'm not that interested in Stevens at all but i just trying to get some discussion happening on what Essendon might offer.

Why would we want players in Reimers or Colyer, that not only wouldn't get a game in our best 22, but would be behind a number of others as depth players?

List space itself has value.

 

[THE_GUN]

Well it pretty clear Stevens isn't and when he has he hasn't set the world alight by any means. On Colyer getting a game at WC i honestly wouldn't know what their needs and they would be looking for hence the above posts. And while the big downside on Colyer is his kicking(reason why i'm looking to trade him) his strengths are speed, play a few different position and being able to perform strongly as a sub so again IMO the trade isn't that outlandish.

I cant see Colyer getting a game at west coast, So why would they give up their 2nd round selection and get rid of stevens?
I think they would rather give up stevens and have their 3rd rounder upgraded to a 2nd round selection than take a player that they dont want -

 

[The Fact]

Don't have a need for a undersized midfielder with pace. We have Neates and he's a better kick than Colyer.

The question is, would Colyer crack a game with Claremont's league side?

well that answers the question

Why would we want players in Reimers or Colyer, that not only wouldn't get a game in our best 22, but would be behind a number of others as depth players?

List space itself has value.

I don't know why would I, maybe thats why i asked the question. And talking about getting a game in best 22 at the moment Stevens is one who isn't and it seems pretty clear he is down the pecking order, so sometimes what clubs do is trade fringe players to see if a new start can kick start their career at another club.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Tom Swift gets a game ahead of him.... And Ebert left last year, leaving a spot vacant... Please.
Addam Maric showed more in his stint at Melbourne. And at Richmond, actually.
Dominates VFL, can't impact AFL.
Maybe that'll all change. I'm sure he'll get picked up, but he's a delist if no-one showed any interest

Lets deal with the array of plausible outcomes. He's going to attract attention if he wants a trade, because unlike you most AFL list managers actually have a clue.

 

[THE_GUN]

This tread needs a poll & it would be great to see what the outcome is then compare it to the actual trade if it happens

 

[The Fact]

I cant see Colyer getting a game at west coast, So why would they give up their 2nd round selection and get rid of stevens?
I think they would rather give up stevens and have their 3rd rounder upgraded to a 2nd round selection than take a player that they dont want -

I agree and if it was Essendon looking to trade say a sammy L I would hope they would try and do that same trade, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to put the feelers out there as we all must remember its all in good fun

 

[Play by Numbers]

well that answers the question

I don't know why would I, maybe thats why i asked the question. And talking about getting a game in best 22 at the moment Stevens is one who isn't and it seems pretty clear he is down the pecking order, so sometimes what clubs do is trade fringe players to see if a new start can kick start their career at another club.

He isn't down on the pecking order outside of our starting mids.

Which player out of Shuey, Kerr or Priddis would Stevens replace? We have been challenging for top 4 in 2011/2012 and have a pretty solid list. Stevens has definite talent, but due to OP (when drafted) and a couple of impact injuries has yet to build the solid fitness base required of a full time AFL mid. I am confident though that he will get there.

Ebert in 2011 could only just hold a position on the flanks and in the end was dropped. A very fit contributor, with field kicking being his only query he still struggled to crack our 22. Would be close to Ports best or most consistent this year.

The same happened with Masten in the past and he has slowly stepped up. Likewise Shuey, who like Stevens had an unfortunate run with injuries early but in his third year, finally getting consistent game time demonstrated what a quality player he can be.

Generally we are pretty conservative, re the match committee.

We also rarely trade for fringe players unless forced. Neither Colyer, nor Reimers add any value to the list. A pick would be better.

 

[The Fact]

He isn't down on the pecking order outside of our starting mids.

Which player out of Shuey, Kerr or Priddis would Stevens replace? We have been challenging for top 4 in 2011/2012 and have a pretty solid list. Stevens has definite talent, but due to OP (when drafted) and a couple of impact injuries has yet to build the solid fitness base required of a full time AFL mid. I am confident though that he will get there.

Ebert in 2011 could only just hold a position on the flanks and in the end was dropped. A very fit contributor, with field kicking being his only query he still struggled to crack our 22. Would be close to Ports best or most consistent this year.

The same happened with Masten in the past and he has slowly stepped up. Likewise Shuey, who like Stevens had an unfortunate run with injuries early but in his third year, finally getting consistent game time demonstrated what a quality player he can be.

Generally we are pretty conservative, re the match committee.

We rarely trade for fringe players and only if forced. Neither Colyer, nor Reimers add any value to the list. A pick would be better.

But the same old thing keeps coming up he can only play one position, he is slow, isn't the best user of the ball and this is my own personal question due to his lack of AFL exp how would he go running out games. Like the The_Gun said early it will be interesting to see what happens because IMO i can't see clubs paying more than a 3rd rounder for him because of his flaws.

 

[Play by Numbers]

But the same old thing keeps coming up he can only play one position, he is slow, isn't the best user of the ball and this is my own personal question due to his lack of AFL exp how would he go running out games. Like the The_Gun said early it will be interesting to see what happens because IMO i can't see clubs paying more than a 3rd rounder for him because of his flaws.

He isn't slow. He is medium paced. Faster than say a Priddis, Kennedy or Sewell.

Again he is a solid user. Not great by foot, but not poor. He can also play more than one position and has had a number of very good games at WAFL level playing as a marking HFF.

He is strong overhead, can kick goals, is ok speed wise over his first couple of steps and hits packs explosively. Very hard at it and good skills by hand.

Luke Ball in 2011 is the kind of player I could see him developing into, given the opportunity.

Like I said, people questioned Shuey and were wrong. Port Adelaide fans rubbished Ebert and were wrong. Masten was written off by most bar a few WC supporters, again wrong. Likewise when he cements a spot I reckon Stevens will turn out fine. The question is, does he have the patience to follow the plan the club has for him.

The club and match committee often seem to take a very conservative approach to developing our mids, especially those who have had injuries early. In fact had we not been desperate for a winger, Gaff probably wouldn't have played half as many games in 2011.

 

[Spluff]

Angus Graham - best ruckman at vfl level totally dominates -spud at afl
Greg Tivendale- you would swear he was the next GAJ playing there- average player at afl
Kayne Pettifer 70-80 goal medium foward in the minor leagues but never A-Grade at AFL
Anthony Banik- #1 pick and was touted as being the best player ever to play - NO

The last 3 were a while ago, including Petts who never played that much VFL but was a pretty serviceable AFL level forward.

Graham is a hack at VFL level and never really showed much there either.

 

[Goldfish]

I also understand where your coming from but the AFL world doesnt work that way.

you mention you and other wc supporters would rather keep him BUT if you were Stevens would you be happy just waiting in the wings incase others get injured or do you want to be a regular player that plays every week.

The facts remain that after 3 years he has a handfull of games & his team doesnt see him as best 22 so they will need to trade him if he wants to leave, You cant stockpile good players that want to play. and dont get the chance

in the 80's Richmond had
Michael Roach best FF in the 1's
Mark Jackson Best FF in the reserves - went on to play at a number of teams
Brian Taylor was the Best FF in the Under 19's - went to collingwood done very well

Richmond couldnt keep them just because supporters would rather keep them than trade for unders,

I agree, however in today's system they would have all been worth more than a 3rd rounder.

Will be an interesting trade period.

 

[THE_GUN]

I agree, however in today's system they would have all been worth more than a 3rd rounder.

Will be an interesting trade period.

Jackson kicked over 100 goals for about 3 seasons in the reserves from the top of my head 7 taylor was doing exactly the same in the under 19's

They never got injured - so yes they would of been worth more than a 3rd round selection

 

[UpTheGuts]

Has Stevens ever played particularly well in a game at senior level?
Serious question.