KPP

[magpies42]

fair enough but I rate Butts and hope we pick him up in rookie draft and we better have lynch in the bag next year

Seymour?

I’ll back Eddy in to get things done. If Lynch is what we need, we’ll get him. I have a feeling they’ll pay Mayne the bulk of his remaining salary this year...leaving a fairly large war chest to load up with top end talent...Lynch and maybe another. But in order to attract top end talent, they’ll want to see us play finals this year

 

[DraftBalta]

Wouldn't worry about it... Murphy reckons he's got it covered

“Trying to model my game on someone like Tom Lynch from Adelaide.”

Get the other Lynch and we are covered

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Maybe they mite try to turn one of sier or wills into one, they have the size

No they don't. Sier will be lucky to get a senior game let alone play KPP. He sure as hell doesn't take any high marks in his mediocre highlights package.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

You just he is slow, Rance is definitely not slow.

Scharenberg is slow and an in between size. I don't what anyone saw in him when he was drafted. He will never be a KPP. Never.

 

[left at home]

No they don't. Sier will be lucky to get a senior game let alone play KPP. He sure as hell doesn't take any high marks in his mediocre highlights package.

What from three years ago. The kid is good size unit.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

While I agree we are short and it would be great to have a couple more good young kpps coming through the answer is pretty simple and that is there wasn’t any good enough for the picks we had.

Stephenson was best available and also fills s big need for us due to our predictable and one paced midfield and from 39 onwards there was nothing of any quality.

No point taking a Kpp if you don’t like the chances of them making it.

There is meant to be a lot in next years draft so hopefully we snag a good one.

This isn't the only year we have not picked up a KPP. Apart from Moore, it's years since we drafted anyone with height. It's a gross oversight which will cost us big time in the next few years, especially given the fragility of Moore who is always likely to spend time on the sidelines.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

What from three years ago. The kid is good size unit.

But can Sier play? He is still not tall enough to be a KPP. From where I sit, I see no evidence that he has developed into anything resembling an AFL player, let alone a KPP. Let's face it, he was not a great pick up, and giving up 2 first rounders for Treloar, and taking Scharenberg/Freeman over McCarthy then De Goey over Marchbank, Wright and Lever probably cost us any chance in recent times of getting a quality KPP. All the talk of getting a KPP in the rookie draft amuses me because rookie drafts do not produce quality big men.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Seymour?

I’ll back Eddy in to get things done. If Lynch is what we need, we’ll get him. I have a feeling they’ll pay Mayne the bulk of his remaining salary this year...leaving a fairly large war chest to load up with top end talent...Lynch and maybe another. But in order to

You'll back Eddie to get things done! Why? What gives you the impression he is capable of securing Lynch?

Then you say that in order to 'attract top end talent, they’ll want to see us play finals this year'. So how do we make finals without quality KPP? We only need one or two of our current KPPs to sustain longer term injuries and we are in trouble because we have no tall man depth whatsoever.

 

[Black_White]

I think we'll take Crameri in the rookie draft

God no.

 

[35Daicos]

But can he play? He is still not tall enough to be a KPP. From where I sit, I see no evidence that he has developed into anything resembling an AFL player, let alone a KPP. Let's face it, he was not a great pick up, and giving up 2 first rounders for Treloar, and taking Scharenberg/Freeman over McCarthy then De Goey over Marchbank, Wright and Lever probably cost us any chance in recent times of getting a quality KPP. All the talk of getting a KPP in the rookie draft amuses me because rookie drafts do not produce quality big men.

Are you sure?! Heath Grundy, Michael Jamison, Dale Morris and Dane Rampe (perhaps might qualify) are all players who have had wonderful careers after being picked up as rookies. Plenty of successful tall defenders there. Tall forwards, now that's another matter!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Wouldn't worry about it... Murphy reckons he's got it covered

“Trying to model my game on someone like Tom Lynch from Adelaide.”

Get the other Lynch and we are covered

For Lynches, yes, we would be.

 

[magpies42]

You'll back Eddie to get things done! Why? What gives you the impression he is capable of securing Lynch?

Then you say that in order to 'attract top end talent, they’ll want to see us play finals this year'. So how do we make finals without quality KPP? We only need one or two of our current KPPs to sustain longer term injuries and we are in trouble because we have no tall man depth whatsoever.

Eddy is a wheeler and dealer, if he wasn’t swanny would have ended up in jail and we never would have one a premiership.

Treloar was all but signed up to Richmond, eddy comes in and we get our man.

I think we have the quality to make finals, not necessarily to win it. Richmond did just fine with our KPP forwards. We can too. Easier draw this year too

 

[BEEG]

Either Hine can't identify any good KPPs or hidden gems, or there were just not any worth taking.

There's no doubt they're saving something for next year's draft apparently supposed to have a stack of KPP talent and let's not forget the ace that is Tom Lynch.

Never has been able to identify them, the only time he ever got it right was Reid and Brown which were both top 10 picks.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Eddy is a wheeler and dealer, if he wasn’t swanny would have ended up in jail and we never would have one a premiership.

Treloar was all but signed up to Richmond, eddy comes in and we get our man.

I think we have the quality to make finals, not necessarily to win it. Richmond did just fine with our KPP forwards. We can too. Easier draw this year too

Richmond had a bit of class in Rance and Riewoldt in key posts. We need a good run with injury. With 2 down in Pendlebury and Elliott, how many more will fall from the rungs in our ascent of the ladder? If we lose Moore and Reid, our KPPs will be seriously exposed, and their flimsy frames are constantly succumbing to quad and hamstring injuries. Reid's performance is waning as he nears the club use by age of 30. He is only 28 but chinks have appeared in his armour and his opponents will seek to open up them and expose his vulnerability. This man needs to be carefully managed. AS for Moore, without him up forward we have no big man firepower. Cox and Grundy will clunk a few goals between them. Reid is probably going to be required to play up forward. Time for McLarty to assume the KPD role in defence.

 

[magpies42]

Richmond had a bit of class in Rance and Riewoldt in key posts. We need a good run with injury. With 2 down in Pendlebury and Elliott, how many more will fall from the rungs in our ascent of the ladder? If we lose Moore and Reid, our KPPs will be seriously exposed, and their flimsy frames are constantly succumbing to quad and hamstring injuries. Reid's performance is waning as he nears the club use by age of 30. He is only 28 but chinks have appeared in his armour and his opponents will seek to open up them and expose his vulnerability. This man needs to be carefully managed. AS for Moore, without him up forward we have no big man firepower. Cox and Grundy will clunk a few goals between them. Reid is probably going to be required to play up forward. Time for McLarty to assume the KPD role down in defence.

You could say that for pretty much for every team except maybe the hawks premiership winning teams and the GWS. Premiership teams generally have a great deal of luck with injuries. Dogs did well too actually.

We definitely need more quality talls, and yes if they go down we are in strife. But I think only up forward. Down back we have sufficient cover, Moore mooted to swing down there also.

I think Cox is underrated, give him a fighting chance with quick ball movement and he’ll kick4 a game without a problem. I’d also like to see the umpires give him a fair go, he gets held and his jump at the ball ******ed every contest!! The forward line would function quite well with cox as the sole deep tall

 

[Good Degoe]

The future spine is 2 keys 2 Med talls & 1 Ruck

FB: McClarty 197cm
HB: Langdon 190cm
RU: Grundy 203cm
HF: Murphy 188cm
FF: Moore 201cm

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The other missing piece of this puzzle might be Lynch.

Max Lynch. The forgotten man. Had a pretty impressive debut season in 2017 considering hes a cat B rookie from another sport (soccer, like Keeffe) . Perhaps the club also has some faith in him. He might be more of a ruckman than a kpp but time will tell.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I think if we could get Jordan Butts we will have had a successful draft,I think we have anyway but I think Butts would be the cherry on top (much like Kirby was last Year).I would have preferred Ramsay before Oxley as a rookie option myself but whats done is done.

Is anything actually done though? Both Oxley and Ramsay are delisted....neither guaranteed to be re-rookied?

I get that Oxley is contracted but that doesnt mean the club has to redraft him

 

[jmac70]

Is anything actually done though? Both Oxley and Ramsay are delisted....neither guaranteed to be re-rookied?

I get that Oxley is contracted but that doesnt mean the club has to redraft him

I expect both Oxley and Ramsay to be re-rookied

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I expect both Oxley and Ramsay to be re-rookied

So the answer is no then....nothing official....

FWIW I expect the same too (or at least one of them) but due to a lack of a kpp in the draft and the unexpected pickup of an extra quality mid maybe that speculated decision may have changed.

With only three? rookie vacancies perhaps the list is unbalanced is we spend two of them on players now surplus to requiremnts when we have such a shortage in other areas.

 

[Dynamics]

Fair enough the game may be moving away from multiple talls at each end of the ground.

But you still need decent cover in those positions.

McLarty is all we have down back, so a rookie spot for Jordan Butts makes perfect sense. He's a good young tall and was unlucky not to be taken.

 

[jmac70]

So the answer is no then....nothing official....

FWIW I expect the same too (or at least one of them) but due to a lack of a kpp in the draft and the unexpected pickup of an extra quality mid maybe that speculated decision may have changed.

With only three? rookie vacancies perhaps the list is unbalanced is we spend two of them on players now surplus to requiremnts when we have such a shortage in other areas.

Oxley is contracted so he will get a spot. Ramsay’s future is less certain and will depend on who is available, such as Butts.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Oxley is contracted so he will get a spot. Ramsay’s future is less certain and will depend on who is available, such as Butts.

Not sure I buy the Oxley is contracted argument . They can carry his moderate salary in the cap if they want to

As for Ramsay it wont be "dependant upon Butts". Butts or another player over 190 cm (or two) simoly has to be recruited on the rookie list. Ït should be the number one priority. Somebody will be available.

After getting a tall, decisions made re Ramsay Oxley or both or another tall.

 

[Pedro]

Has McLarty been at pre-season training or is he injured?

full training

 

[jmac70]

Not sure I buy the Oxley is contracted argument . They can carry his moderate salary in the cap if they want to

As for Ramsay it wont be "dependant upon Butts". Butts or another player over 190 cm (or two) simoly has to be recruited on the rookie list. Ït should be the number one priority. Somebody will be available.

After getting a tall, decisions made re Ramsay Oxley or both or another tall.

Gee you like to argue. I said “such as”, indicating Butts as an example not the only option.