Kreuzer development, serious question?

[jonoman89]

I am not concerned at all about Kreuzer. He has the kind of dedication and hard working personality where you are virtually guaranteed he will get every last ounce of ability out of his talent.

I don't think I can ever think of one occasion where Kreuzer could have "done better" through more effort. That's just the kind of bloke he is.

He just turned 23 didn't he? Rucks usually don't hit form until about 25. He'll kick ass once he builds gradually after what is, quite possibly, the worst type of injury a ruckman can have.

Big Red Is Back is my favourite poster.

Knee, then jerk.

Everything's a "knee jerk" to you if you disagree.

You're the forum's resident broken record.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Be good to confirm if he is playing injured or not ??



Assuming his knee is OK, I don't see any point in sending him back to the VFL. As I posted yesterday I think the VFL can be detrimental to a player of his quality - he is past that I think.


So again, assuming his knee is OK, play Warnock and Hampson as the rucks, and I'd play Kreuzer on the ball as a mid-fielder, or even behind the ball, for the next two weeks and basically pick up some cheap possessions and get the feel of the ball in his hands.

 

[SBYM]

Sorry, but if you are out of form you don't have a frigging rest, you play yourself back into form.

Big Number 8 hasn't played well lately, am pretty sure he will improve.

Fair point, but if you're laboring physically, which I think he clearly is atm, then a rest might help to rejuvenate? His energy around the ground just seems down, perhaps he's sore.

And my oath he'll improve, is proper good.

 

[Wickzki]

I hate to suggest this but Kreuzer reminds me of Greg Oden post knee (Greg's first) injury. They both put on a truckload of muscle mass in the weight room to come back BSB (bigger, stronger, better) but ultimately to Oden it was to his detriment. I'm beginning to wonder whether in his rehabilitation they've done the same thing with Kreuze. He's always been a tremendous athlete but lately he hasn't looked nearly as agile as what he has in the past. I'm finding this just a tad concerning because even after he came back last year he was more agile than what he has been over the past month or so. I remember the fleetness of foot, the ability to turn his body quickly and it just isn't there right now. However, his body looks like a machine. Too much machine at the detriment of his agility? I hope, again unlike Greg Oden, that he's not carrying too much weight (even if it is in the form of muscle mass) for his lower body to take on.

Absolute gun though and love Kreuzer to bits. He only knows how to play one way and that's with 110% G&D.

 

[Silvagnis]

Everything's a "knee jerk" to you if you disagree.

You're the forum's resident broken record.

Think it's still OK to respond to bullshit opinions on players I rate. Fairer comments that utter garbage such as Kreuzer can't mark, can't ruck and can't kick. The broken records are the supporters who keep posting the same negative and irrational comments. You don't even need to look at their usernames to match the comments to their BF account.

Thread is a knee jerk reaction to a player having a quiet patch. If BRIB has these concerns, then he should have had the balls to start the thread after round one. Funny that he was quiet about his development after a BOG performance. Ludicrous to say that Kreuzer can't spread. Even our free running mids have been shut down, yet the OP expects a ruckman to be able to run free. The funny thing is Murphy has been just as quiet or quieter than Kreuzer and Gibbs, yet no one has been questioning his last five weeks of footy. Convenient ignorance.

 

[laminex]

despite being an awesome one, he's still a young ruckman. He will take time and will probably take a few years, even despite his undisputed talent.

I have no doubt he'll be a gun in 2-3 years time. Just have patience

**** off lance take that back the the Essendon board, and i could not agree more with what you are saying, very well said.

 

[steveo898]

Big Red Is Back is my favourite poster.

Knee, then jerk.[/quote]
Zing!... Money in the bank with that one

 

[Wickzki]

The funny thing is Murphy has been just as quiet or quieter than Kreuzer and Gibbs, yet no one has been questioning his last five weeks of footy. Convenient ignorance.

What's with the Murphy comments post-injury? Innocent question. I understood beforehand, and tended to agree for the most part (though still preferred Murphy to Gibbs) but post-injury it seems rather pointless to keep flogging the same dead horse.

 

[The Grover]

I would like to see him be more composed with the ball in congestion.

He often coughs the ball up with quick mongrel kicks to no one in particular.

He needs to be taught to use handball more around the stoppages.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Staggered by the stupidity. But I hear some pretty crazy stuff in the stands and on talkback so I have just have to accept that my club has its fair share of them too.

1. Kreuzer is a young ruckman - and they take time to develop. That's not an excuse, it's a truism. His young ruck life has included a full knee reco.

2. He lost 5kg over the summer, which is a clear indication that the club felt he put on too much mass as part of his rehab. Those who think he's gotten bigger in the last 12 months are simply wrong.

3. We are still trying to work out our best ruck combination. He's part of that equation. Once it's more settled, we'll get a better idea of how and where he fits.

Yeah, the criticism is entirely knee-jerk. That's the only truth recurring in this thread. Amazing how losing a few games brings out the weird ones. I guess the Fev thread is coming if we lost one of the next three.

 

[audas]

Staggered by the stupidity. But I hear some pretty crazy stuff in the stands and on talkback so I have just have to accept that my club has its fair share of them too.

1. Kreuzer is a young ruckman - and they take time to develop. That's not an excuse, it's a truism. His young ruck life has included a full knee reco.

2. He lost 5kg over the summer, which is a clear indication that the club felt he put on too much mass as part of his rehab. Those who think he's gotten bigger in the last 12 months are simply wrong.

3. We are still trying to work out our best ruck combination. He's part of that equation. Once it's more settled, we'll get a better idea of how and where he fits.

Yeah, the criticism is entirely knee-jerk. That's the only truth recurring in this thread. Amazing how losing a few games brings out the weird ones. I guess the Fev thread is coming if we lost one of the next three.

Blues are awesome - tiges smash hawkes, blues lose to dees, piss off.

 

[bignick]

Blues are awesome - tiges smash hawkes, blues lose to dees, piss off.

If you drink and post you are a bloody idiot.

 

[Big Red is back]

What's with the Murphy comments post-injury? Innocent question. I understood beforehand, and tended to agree for the most part (though still preferred Murphy to Gibbs) but post-injury it seems rather pointless to keep flogging the same dead horse.

Yes but Murphy has played alot of elite football, the issue with kruz is he hasn't done that.

Surely a number one draft pick ruck man should develop quicker than a run of the mill ruck.

 

[Big Red is back]

Think it's still OK to respond to bullshit opinions on players I rate. Fairer comments that utter garbage such as Kreuzer can't mark, can't ruck and can't kick. The broken records are the supporters who keep posting the same negative and irrational comments. You don't even need to look at their usernames to match the comments to their BF account.

Thread is a knee jerk reaction to a player having a quiet patch. If BRIB has these concerns, then he should have had the balls to start the thread after round one. Funny that he was quiet about his development after a BOG performance. Ludicrous to say that Kreuzer can't spread. Even our free running mids have been shut down, yet the OP expects a ruckman to be able to run free. The funny thing is Murphy has been just as quiet or quieter than Kreuzer and Gibbs, yet no one has been questioning his last five weeks of footy. Convenient ignorance.

General please take a deep breath, if you don't think at 23 years of age a number one draft pick averaging only 12.1 stats per game is an issue then you simply have lower expectations than I.

We all agree ruckman generally take longer to develop and we all agree kruz should end up a top player.

The issue is , IMO he was playing better in his second season than now.

Don't forget in the season he did his knee his form just prior was very average.

The reality was at the end of his second season he looked on the verge of taking the next step and the question is what can we do to accelerate his development.

From a recruiting point of view the lesson may well be why use a top draft pick on a player who will take 6 years to develop, when it's pretty easy to pluck a good ruck at 25 anyway.

Anyway I would be very surprised if most people didn't atleast think his form was somewhat of a concern.

Re posting after the Richmond game of course not as that was the bare minimun standard he should be delierving most weeks. He was good in that game as was his game vs the swans last year when I thought wow he really looks to be developing as I would expect a number 1 draft pick to develop.

Problem is those games should be his baseline performance not what he does once every tweleve weeks.

Don't forget he isn't your normal ruckman he is a number 1 draft pick taken ahead of Cotchin, and our premership window is now so we need him to be fast tracked, my question is what can the club do to accelerate this.

Here is to hoping the big fella has 20 touches plus and kicks a few goals against the crap demons today and nobody will be happier. Then come years end when Kruz is dominating the ruck and this thread gets closed for being a knee jurk reaction it will be all smiles from me. ..... lets just hope that happens.

 

[thylacine60]

Blues are awesome - tiges smash hawkes, blues lose to dees, piss off.

Kreuzer thinks you are under-performng and require better development.

 

[T2B_]

He's carrying something IMO, has to be. I swear I saw Kreuz do some half-hearted things in the last game and I've seen enough of him to know that is just not the way Matty plays, so I'm sure something is hampering him and really affecting him. Just my 2c.

 

[steveo898]

He's carrying something IMO, has to be. I swear I saw Kreuz do some half-hearted things in the last game and I've seen enough of him to know that is just not the way Matty plays, so I'm sure something is hampering him and really affecting him. Just my 2c.

agreed

 

[Silvagnis]

Big Recidivist Is Back.

Wouldn't get a look in as a list manager in the VAFA.

 

[Mister Carlton]

Big Red and Dennis asking the big questions.

Muppets.

 

[Big Red is back]

Big Recidivist Is Back.

Wouldn't get a look in as a list manager in the VAFA.

Clearly the difference between us is I think we should be challenging for the flag and you are happy to finish 6th to 10th.

 

[Mister Carlton]

Kreuzer thinks you are under-performng and require better development.

Classic!

 

[gardiner stand]

somethings up with this superstar,i recall hampson saying kruze was dirty he didnt get the week off v gws,for someone whose missed so much footy youd think hed be raring to go,must be carrying an injury

 

[95blues]

I think he's just a bit behind the pace. Normally is a one grab player, but seems to be misjudging the flight of the ball a lot and ending up underneath it. Still puts on more blocks and shepherds than any 3 of our guys combined bar Robbo.

 

[Omega Blue]

he does all the unheralded things. which is great but doesn't look good on a stats sheet which can lead to critism in a post mortem.
Still horrified on the way he lands after taking a mark the torque about his knee will cause him to do another knee (i hope not tho just an observation) on the other hand hampson lands perfectly maybe he could give krueze a few pointers (without being pretentious of course)

 

[Big Red is back]

Well played big fella that's more like what we need to see as a minimum week in week out.

Also great to see 206 back.