Kreuzer & Hampson

[HARKER]

Before you jump, let's have a look at it.

Hampson:
Given a three year contract yet we don't really know where and how he'll be used
There must have been a deeper plan afoot than what we have on face value.
Having been touted as being built up to play forward next year, Mitchell may just be in front of him and we wouldn't have got Rowe for no reason either, with Kreuzer also being mentioned as a prime forward option.
He's behind the other rucks and we wouldn't carry three ruckmen into a game under any circumstances.

Kreuzer:
Starting off at the point of Warnock being our premium tap ruck-man and with FF seemingly put into other hands, how do we play Kreuzer next year.
For all the talk of Krezuer being able to play wing or as a mid, that clearly won't happen.
I doubt we'd just sit him out as the second tall forward option, as that may just be a little bit of a waste of talent and have us top heavy.
CHF? Maybe, but there have been no real indications for that to be a sure fire bet either.

Whichever way we run the permutations, all the pieces just don't seem to fit together easily.
Have we over insured ourselves?

 

[The Coach]

Geelong took a 29yo as they believe you need 4 ruckmen

Hampson 3yrs - obvious explanation

 

[Red Bull]

I dont know Harker ,
I thought we were set to start with Hampson at FF , maybe give him a good crack at it till say the half way mark of the season , if he steps up great if not then it might have been time to give Mitchell a taste ??
Warnock as the main tap ruckman and Kruezer creating mayhem alternating between ruck , forward and midfield ??
Then the club drafts Rowe ??
I only know 1 thing , it says to me Casboult better start planning a life after football ??

 

[Jimthegreat]

I dont know Harker ,
I thought we were set to start with Hampson at FF , maybe give him a good crack at it till say the half way mark of the season , if he steps up great if not then it might have been time to give Mitchell a taste ??
Warnock as the main tap ruckman and Kruezer creating mayhem alternating between ruck , forward and midfield ??
Then the club drafts Rowe ??
I only know 1 thing , it says to me Casboult better start planning a life after football ??

It seems we wanted Rowe pretty badly that we might have used the Hampson at FF thing as a ruse so as to disguise our interest.....as well as to have posters like me to have head explosion for no reason...lol! There is no way we drafted Rowe as a short term option, until the draftees develop at least, just to play him in the twos as it stands now.

 

[The Coach]

Geelong took a senior ruck man with the view that others may not be physically up to the rigours of a full season.
Ours have been in the system for 5+ years.

You have a point elsewhere though.

Who has been in the system for more than 5 Years?

 

[drusswaylander]

I'm not sure where they all fit in, as to me Warnock, Kreuzer and Hampson with Rowe added just doesn't add up if they are all fit. Scares the hell out of me that GWS didn't take Longer...but again I could just be having a bad day

 

[drusswaylander]

Our ruck men.
Kreuzer is in his fifth year, Hampson his sixth and Warnock his seventh.
We have three very competent ruckmen. Geelong didn't and don't.

Of our three which ones are coming out of contract? From looking at the financials we don't seem to have a great deal of wriggle room in the cap.

 

[drusswaylander]

Kreuzer and Warnock are now into their last year.

I have no problem having quality stacked up to the roof, but just wondering what the intentions and preferences are for the palyers in question.
We know that we can't fit all that quality into salary cap as we have a lot of boys putting their hands out next year.

Which is probably what it is all about. Surely we aren't about to go from one extreme to the other and adopt a West Coast style forwardline. If it isn't a change of gamestyle then the other option is a fear of losing one of the big guys. Both Kreuzer and Warnock would seem to want to stay in Vic, but there is a lot of money still being thrown around. Gold Coast have Smith and Gorringe as top young ruck prospects...who do GWS have? Surely they have a youngish ruck from another club in their sights during their dodgy window.

 

[choo]

No reason whatsoever to quote this

 

[I bleed Blue]

I'm not sure where they all fit in, as to me Warnock, Kreuzer and Hampson with Rowe added just doesn't add up if they are all fit. Scares the hell out of me that GWS didn't take Longer...but again I could just be having a bad day

It was reported that Kruezer already turned down a massive offer from the gold coast, so obviously its not about the money for him.. cant see him leaving to GWS in that case.

All 4 will have plenty of opportunity...I can see us taking 2 ruckmen into a game and also having a full time full-forward.

We didnt have 206 Kruez and Hammer all fit at the at the same time at all last year.

Then you have to take into account form... always handy to have an extra ruck for back up from injuries and form slumps..

Hammer may also get games from FF with Rowe at CHF... Waite has been known to get suspended and injured so you never know you could see all 4 of these boys in the team at once?

Ive got high hopes for Mitchell like everyone else.. but lets face it he has barely played in the last 2 years and will need a bit more time to develop.

We will just have to wait and see how the club decideds to structure up.

 

[Neese]

You seriously see Hampson as FF? Least likely scenario imo

 

[Silvagnis]

No reason whatsoever to quote this

You have to speak up...

 

[zeeCFC]

QFB!

Good to know Hammer has a pair of Warnocks haunting him wherever he goes..

 

[drusswaylander]

On form we wouldn't be looking at moving on Warnock as that would be crazy, and Kreuzer is a non-negotiable, yet it is Hampson who has his future secured.

It was thrown out only weeks ago that Hampson will be played forward as was then said with Mitchell and then Kreuzer after that.
We kept Casboult after it looked as though he was all but gone and then recruited Rowe.

I haven't the answers but just asking the question.

When crazy money is on offer and the AFL are desperate to see GWS succeed crazy things can happen. If the reported offer to Kreuzer was as massive as it has been speculated, then I would have been much happier if he had signed on until 2013-14, rather than leave him still in the GWS window.

I truly hate the comp rigging that the AFL are engaging in just to in my opinion chase fools gold. You would think that at the end of next season some club is going to lament losing a good young ruck to GWS. I have everything crossed hoping it isn't us. The two main things we have going for us is the fact that we are challenging and that they both have strong ties to home, but gee our cap is tight though.

 

[zeeCFC]

When crazy money is on offer and the AFL are desperate to see GWS succeed crazy things can happen. If the reported offer to Kreuzer was as massive as it has been speculated, then I would have been much happier if he had signed on until 2013-14, rather than leave him still in the GWS window.

I truly hate the comp rigging that the AFL are engaging in just to in my opinion chase fools gold. You would think that at the end of next season some club is going to lament losing a good young ruck to GWS. I have everything crossed hoping it isn't us. The two main things we have going for us is the fact that we are challenging and that they both have strong ties to home, but gee our cap is tight though.

What the hell, you better edit this post to add the Gale pic very soon!

 

[Silvagnis]

Good to know Hammer has a pair of Warnocks haunting him wherever he goes..

Hammer also two grabs the twins.

 

[KnobHead]

Using Hammer as a forward, but no one knows how that'll pan out. If it don't pan out we've got no one - Mitch is only 2nd year and missed last year and Casboult ain't that flash below the knees.

Rowe's good insurance. Besides, a player, ie. Hammer, shouldn't be assured of a spot. Competition's good. But more Hammer games is more Meghan spotting at the footy

Be great if Hammer or Rowe come up next year, even if as an effective "crash & bash" player, be great watching Waite and Walks playing 2nd & 3rd string in marking contests, eddie & garlett crumbing, really balances up the forward line and makes it look quite - very damaging. Like watching jelly with dynamite thrown in, still very flexible but can bash the opposition backs

 

[Jimthegreat]

I'm not sure where they all fit in, as to me Warnock, Kreuzer and Hampson with Rowe added just doesn't add up if they are all fit. Scares the hell out of me that GWS didn't take Longer...but again I could just be having a bad day

Yes it does, 2 ruckmen, 2 KP forwards (Waite/Rowe) other ruckman plays in the twos. Like most clubs. Not sure why you have Rowe grouped in with the 3 ruckmen. Different positions.

 

[drusswaylander]

Sorry Zee...just sayin'

 

[drusswaylander]

Yes it does, 2 ruckmen, 2 KP forwards (Waite/Rowe) other ruckman plays in the twos. Like most clubs. Not sure why you have Rowe grouped in with the 3 ruckmen. Different positions.

I think you are missing the point Jim. It's not about their best position. It is where they fit into the side. Can we fit Hampson, Kreuzer and Warnock into the one side and if not how do we keep them happy? It's not like we have an older ruck and kids happy to develop in the twos, these are guys who have been in the system for a few years. Why did we recruit Rowe if we have plans to play a ruck forward?

 

[ClassyCarlton]

I think if all three are playing fantastically, then we will make room for them in our side. Although I doubt we will be lucky enough to have all three uninjured and in form at the same time.

Remember, we have a LOT of pacy, athletic players (and Kreuz and Hampson are considered fairly athletic for their size) so it won't hurt to have some bigger guys out their too.

Our midfield is very quick and pacy.

Our defence too is very mobile. Even Jamison and Henderson are mobile for key position defenders. Yarran, Laidler, Duigan, Russel and Bower are very athletic too.

Our forards are very quick. (Garlett, Betts, Walker etc)

So would it really hurt to have three 200cm + players in our line up when 2 of these players are considered to be fairly athletic?

 

[drusswaylander]

Look, the whole point of this is that..........................


What the hell...Picture time.

Copout. You started this

I think we all know the highlight reel that contributed to Hampson signing on. Now who do you have lined up for the other two

 

[Jimthegreat]

I think you are missing the point Jim. It's not about their best position. It is where they fit into the side. Can we fit Hampson, Kreuzer and Warnock into the one side and if not how do we keep them happy? It's not like we have an older ruck and kids happy to develop in the twos, these are guys who have been in the system for a few years. Why did we recruit Rowe if we have plans to play a ruck forward?

We can't play blokes in the side to keep them happy unfortunately. No selecting sides on that basis. One of the ruckmen will be unhappy, whether it be Warnock or Hampson. They all understand that. Hammer signed a 3 year contract knowing that situation but seems he'd prefer some chance to play in a premiership side rather than being a certain first ruck elsewhere so that's a rubber stamp for the club as it is.

I don't think we had much intention of playing a ruck as a KP forward unless forced to. We've been after Rowe for a long time but to help keep it quiet I'm sure we used the ruckman up forward thing as a ruse so as not to draw attention. We made it obvious after the finals we needed a KP forward big time.

 

[drusswaylander]

I think if all three are playing fantastically, then we will make room for them in our side. Although I doubt we will be lucky enough to have all three uninjured and in form at the same time.

Remember, we have a LOT of pacy, athletic players (and Kreuz and Hampson are considered fairly athletic for their size) so it won't hurt to have some bigger guys out their too.

Our midfield is very quick and pacy.

Our defence too is very mobile. Even Jamison and Henderson are mobile for key position defenders. Yarran, Laidler, Duigan, Russel and Bower are very athletic too.

Our forards are very quick. (Garlett, Betts, Walker etc)

So would it really hurt to have three 200cm + players in our line up when 2 of these players are considered to be fairly athletic?

Which big bloke plays mainly forward though?

 

[Jimthegreat]

I think if all three are playing fantastically, then we will make room for them in our side. Although I doubt we will be lucky enough to have all three uninjured and in form at the same time.

Remember, we have a LOT of pacy, athletic players (and Kreuz and Hampson are considered fairly athletic for their size) so it won't hurt to have some bigger guys out their too.

Our midfield is very quick and pacy.

Our defence too is very mobile. Even Jamison and Henderson are mobile for key position defenders. Yarran, Laidler, Duigan, Russel and Bower are very athletic too.

Our forards are very quick. (Garlett, Betts, Walker etc)

So would it really hurt to have three 200cm + players in our line up when 2 of these players are considered to be fairly athletic?

There's athletic then there's agility and being good when the ball hits the ground. Small blokes do that better. An extra big bloke would hurt that and goes against our strengths. Waite and Rowe in the KP with Kreuzer and Warnock/Hammer as rucks will be more than enough.