Society/Culture Kyle Rittenhouse

[FlowersByIrene]

Clear cut case I would think, only question is if the media/dems/blm can terrorise the jury enough.

 

[Back One Out]

The argument would go that he placed himself in the situation he found himself in - basically that he caused the reactions of the men who tried to disarm him which lead to him having to shoot them in self defence.

Sort of like trolling the sh*t out of someone till they lash out, then shooting them in self defence when they do.

Do you believe this or are you playing devil's advocate?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I actually cannot believe the jury hasn’t been sequestered for this trial.

 

[Osho]

Prosecution?

Sorry, yes, prosecution.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

There are still lots of gun owners in Australia

The defence should have made more of the intention of taking a weapon out, as weapon owners by virtue of taking a weapon out publicly can be characterised as being willing to use it, being partway premeditating or planning to use it. The defence could have gone through all the painstaking details of preparing the weapon, to create the possibility or probability of presentiment.

Bizarrely, the defence aimed a weapon at some of the jury, apparently, with his finger on the
trigger, which I would have thought could be classed as unduly influencing them in some way?

There are loads more guns in Australia now than before 1996.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Jury have gone home.

Mistrial with prejudice remains on the table (meaning a mistrial that cannot be retried.......so Defendant walks).

I suspect that in the case of a hung jury, the judge will grant that motion but he'd prefer an acquittal.

 

[Osho]

There are loads more guns in Australia now than before 1996.

I read that there are 3 million registered weapons in Australia, which is the group I belong to. I assume you are referencing the unregistered weapons which would be hard to estimate.

 

[kickazz]

Apparently multiple threats being made by BLM protesters and the uncle of George Floyd towards the jury in an attempt to force a guilty verdict. Scarin jury members from making lawful decisions is in essence terrorism.
Disgusting. They should be charged.

That's really bad if true. What is your source?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

That's really bad if true. What is your source?

The Floyd uncle video has been circulating for a while now.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Apparently multiple threats being made by BLM protesters and the uncle of George Floyd towards the jury in an attempt to force a guilty verdict. Scarin jury members from making lawful decisions is in essence terrorism.
Disgusting. They should be charged.

Source?


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[Malifice]

Have you weighed up all the evidence?

No, only what I know and have read.

My view is that under Wisconsin law, he can rely on the argument of self defence, and I reckon the prosecution are going to have a hard time proving beyond reasonable doubt that his force was unreasonable in the circumstances (angry mob, at least one person had a firearm, grabbing for his gun etc).

In order to get 'provocation' to stick they need to prove that he was otherwise engaged in unlawful activity (and even then he can justify lethal force if his state of mind was it was required and that was reasonable).

There is noting left that indicates he was engaged in unlawful activity at the time of the shootings so I cant see how they get that up either.

Again, I reckon he gets off.

I dont like it, but there it is.

 

[Malifice]

Took 32 pages but we got through finally

Got through what?

Can you quit cheerleading please and discuss the topic?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He was protecting small businesses from being torched by arsonists.

Literally. He had a fire extinguisher and was attempting to douse fires lit by the BLM rioters when he was attacked.

I was like you: thinking "Who's this f-wit who takes a gun to a BLM protest and shoots people?"

He was putting out fires with his AR-15?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

No, only what I know and have read.

My view is that under Wisconsin law, he can rely on the argument of self defence, and I reckon the prosecution are going to have a hard time proving beyond reasonable doubt that his force was unreasonable in the circumstances (angry mob, at least one person had a firearm, grabbing for his gun etc).

In order to get 'provocation' to stick they need to prove that he was otherwise engaged in unlawful activity (and even then he can justify lethal force if his state of mind was it was required and that was reasonable).

There is noting left that indicates he was engaged in unlawful activity at the time of the shootings so I cant see how they get that up either.

Again, I reckon he gets off.

I dont like it, but there it is.

I'm interested as to why you don't like it?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

He was putting out fires with his AR-15?

Deterring people from doing so in the first place and offering first aid to rioters which he apparently did.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Id say Howard has no friends and was a total loser throughout school. Now he has something that he thinks makes him a relevant person......extremism.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Deterring people from doing so in the first place and offering first aid to rioters which he apparently did.

It's not his place to show up with an AR-15 to "deter people".

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I read that there are 3 million registered weapons in Australia, which is the group I belong to. I assume you are referencing the unregistered weapons which would be hard to estimate.

From 2019:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/mor...t-arthur-massacre-report-20190327-p5188m.html

 

[Chief]

Apparently multiple threats being made by BLM protesters and the uncle of George Floyd towards the jury in an attempt to force a guilty verdict. Scarin jury members from making lawful decisions is in essence terrorism.
Disgusting. They should be charged.

Not terrorism if they don't actually do anything.

And we don't know whether they actually are "BLM" protesters - plenty of bots around to stir up trouble.

Where are the threats being communicated?

 

[Chief]

He was protecting small businesses from being torched by arsonists.

Who asked him to come? Did he have any training? Any affiliation with an organised effort? Why bring a big gun?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

It's not his place to show up with an AR-15 to "deter people".

I agree. The police/military should have arrested all of the rioters and there would have been no need for him to do that. However given the violence and cries of the BLM rioters to defund police....its not surprising they were hesitant to engage. No wonder the public felt they needed to defend property from these reprobates.

 

[Chief]

Got through what?

Can you quit cheerleading please and discuss the topic?

Don't feed the troll.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Who asked him to come? Did he have any training? Any affiliation with an organised effort? Why bring a big gun?

The owner of the Car Source was seeking support after his business was attacked over multiple nights from rioters.

Should he have just let his business burn?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I agree. The police/military should have arrested all of the rioters and there would have been no need for him to do that. However given the violence and cries of the BLM rioters to defund police....its not surprising they were hesitant to engage. No wonder the public felt they needed to defend property from these reprobates.

Stop making excuses for this peanut.

 

[Chief]

The owner of the Car Source was seeking support after his business was attacked over multiple nights from rioters.

Should he have just let his business burn?

Via which channel?

Did he have any training? Any affiliation with an organised effort? Why bring a big gun?