Player Watch Lachie Schultz

[NMBB]

Tools! Were we meant to just charge on the field with stretcher? No. Not unless play is stopped.
The umpires or someone lied. How one of our players getting knocked into next week, albeit not malicious, is our fault when the whole focus is on the AFL and/or the umpires, is just putrid journalist anti Collingwood. Buckley isn't, but he is clearly wrong here.

None of this sh#t would be happening if the AFL made a statement along these lines:

"In the immediate aftermath of that incident it's the responsibility of the AFL officials / umpires to manage the player's welfare on the field - we should have done better and will ensure we do better next time".

EOFS

 

[sherrife]

He's got the ball.

But you can't do a high fend-off when you have the ball. If Schultz copped a whack to the head due to a discretionary act by another player, it should be a free regardless, no? Or at least it's a grey area. You can't push someone in the head to stop them tackling you, can you hit them in the head with your shoulder?

 

[jmac70]

But you can't do a high fend-off when you have the ball. If Schultz copped a whack to the head due to a discretionary act by another player, it should be a free regardless, no? Or at least it's a grey area. You can't push someone in the head to stop them tackling you, can you hit them in the head with your shoulder?

Bolton did a high fend on Nick.
Play on says the incompetent umpire

 

[Gabbo64]

I've been looking at the incident over and over and I am really starting to struggle with the actual contact itself.
Both feet off the ground, reckless at a minumum, high contact, high force, concussion. Deliberate action to jump through the tackle. Absolutely no consideration of a review, if I am correct?????

Can somebody talk me through what the reasoning here is, or is it just a Collingwood thing?

 

[BillyElliott]

 

[sideswipe]

2 reasons:

1) You are not experienced/brave enough to call out BS

2) You don't want to do your job

The respectable thing to do today is for Laura Kane and the Umpires Boss (whoever that is) to front the media and explain why proper duty of care wasn't afforded to Lachie Schultz when he was concussed.

That is the most important issue. The AFL failed Lachie Schultz (which could have serious long term implications for him) and Laura Kane released a media statement which contained 2 blatant lies. 1. The umpires didn't see the incident. 2. The umpires would have stopped the game had they seen it.

So Laura and the Umpires Boss.... front the media today and explain yourselves, apologies to Schultz and family for mucking it up, and detail what will happen in the future WHEN (not if) another incident like this occurs.

Anyone protecting Laura Kane in this matter is misguided. What's more important Lachie Schultz's health or her career?

You are getting a bit carried away here. What are the “long term implications” that might occur because Schultz ran off instead of being stretchered?

 

[sr36]

But you can't do a high fend-off when you have the ball. If Schultz copped a whack to the head due to a discretionary act by another player, it should be a free regardless, no? Or at least it's a grey area. You can't push someone in the head to stop them tackling you, can you hit them in the head with your shoulder?

I don't know whether you'd judge Clark or Shoota as being responsible for the high contact?

 

[sherrife]

I don't know whether you'd judge Clark or Shoota as being responsible for the high contact?

I thought the ruling was, if you choose to bump it's on you regardless. Choosing to tackle is not an option, choosing to bump is.

I'm not convinced it should have been a report, because objectively it's fair play by both players, but I don't really think it's clear that it's ok to hit someone in the head through a discretionary act, even if you have the ball.

 

[sr36]

I thought the ruling was, if you choose to bump it's on you regardless. Choosing to tackle is not an option, choosing to bump is.

I'm not convinced it should have been a report, because objectively it's fair play by both players, but I don't really think it's clear that it's ok to hit someone in the head through a discretionary act, even if you have the ball.

It's not choosing to bump when you've got the ball. It's choosing to take on the tackler.

 

[Kes1984]

Anyway back to Shoota, glad to see he’s running. Looks like he’s getting through protocols alright.

 

[901023]

I get it that he was angry, but victim blaming is not a solution.

Explain to us what you see as 'victim blaming'? Is the AFL the victim here? He's blaming the AFL, nobody else!

 

[Kes1984]

Explain to us what you see as 'victim blaming'? Is the AFL the victim here? He's blaming the AFL, nobody else!

What I heard was he wants Collingwood to have to explain running him off the ground etc. He appeared to be laying blame on Collingwood medicos for it.

 

[Kes1984]

When I’m ready for bed tonight, I’ll come back and read the last few pages on this thread. Should do the trick.

 

[901023]

What I heard was he wants Collingwood to have to explain running him off the ground etc. He appeared to be laying blame on Collingwood medicos for it.

I think he raises a fair point, in that Schultz should NOT have been allowed to get up and run off the ground given he was semi-conscious. I think that's a fair point don't you? There were failures in duty of care across the board, but I disagree with Buckley in that there seemed to be a lack of clear process which should have been LEAD by the umpires to STOP the game.... once that happens the umpires can advise Schultz to remain on the ground as a stretcher is brought out.

However, that was NOT the main discussion point, it was the AFL's poor leadership and integrity shown after the event.

He clearly stated he is 'angry' because someone at the AFL will have 'egg on their face' because they are 'not doing their job' and letting 'the media do it for them 2 weeks in a row'. This sits directly with Laura Kane as she ultimately is responsible for communication regarding football operations and that department effectively lied to the public twice in the statement released as has been now proven by channel 7 as the umpires were aware and they did not stop the game.

Clearly there is a breakdown in honest communication and acting with integrity (doing what you say you are doing - protecting players interest when it comes to concussion) from the 4 umpires involved to Laura Kane. Instead of 'doing the right thing' it seems selling lies and mistruths is the AFL's preferred option. Blind Freddy would know the AFL's statement regarding issue of stopping the game was complete BS. It was the MAJOR event that 40,000 people witnessed on the ground because of how severe it was and Kane believed the 4 people running the event didn't see it!? Give me a break!

Sorry, I have no empathy for Laura Kane or Andrew Dill, as these clowns are suspending Paul Curtis for 3 weeks for laying a tackle when he has 0.5 seconds to calculate how he is supposed to do so without the player with ball hitting their head on the ground.

Yet the AFL has 12 hours after the even to offer a genuine response to a valid question by Moore, Macrae and Langmuir - 'why wasn't the game stopped' and the best they can do is LIE. WTF? Buckley is 100% correct and right to feel angry that these administrators are taking the piss.

I also don't believe the 4 umpires would have blatantly lied as they know they are micd up and those recordings are available to the AFL and media outlets.

The AFL now has questions it needs to answer:

1) What is the clear process for umpires/club medicos to follow in the event of a concussion on field?

2) What was the purpose of releasing a public statement that was false on 2 accounts?

3) Who made up the statement and why?

4) How can the public/clubs continue to trust an administration that has shown is unable to act with integrity and leadership?

 

[TradeDraft]

All four field umpires must be stood down.

could even be Sacked

 

[Daicos Torpedo]

He blamed

Explain to us what you see as 'victim blaming'? Is the AFL the victim here? He's blaming the AFL, nobody else!

How we handled getting Schultz from the ground. Play wasn't stopped. We were just trying to get him safe.

 

[901023]

He blamed

How we handled getting Schultz from the ground. Play wasn't stopped. We were just trying to get him safe.

You do realise Buckley is not in charge of running football operations.... he is paid to give opinions on the game. Those opinions in isolation have no bearing on AFL or Club processes.

He also didn't blame CFC medical staff, but offered an alternate explanation other than a public lie, the AFL could have given. Whether me/you agree with his alternate explanation is irrelevant. He was highlighting how badly a hole the AFL dug for itself, without there being a need.

 

[rand corp]

From the AFL it was gaslighting of the highest order; former Iraqi communications minister Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf could not have done a better job of it himself.

A person or persons has blatantly lied about what really went down and heads should roll.

 

[JLC]

I reckon the AFL should have said the audio was really from Joe the camera man.

 

[BillyElliott]

 

[stormskye]

 

[TradeDraft]

Just making Excuses as they All F**ked Up

 

[jmac70]

What a stuff up.

 

[JuniorB]

Why the **** should they be filthy?
They ****ed up big time.

 

[jmac70]

Why the **** should they be filthy - they ****ed up big time.

Because the AFL did not actually talk to the field umpires.