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sideswipe said:
What’s 8+12-18?
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Capital Magpie said:
Club website goes on to say: "Schultz is tracking well through the required frameworks and will be assessed heading into next week's Round 12 game".
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I guess "well" is relatively because if he was tracking well then he'd be out of concussion protocols at the 12 day mark.

Considering he has a history of concussions, and he still has symptoms 12 days after the hit, I'd say things aren't going that well. Hopefully he starts feeling better soon, his health is by far the most important, not rushing back to football.
 
Kappa said:
I guess "well" is relatively because if he was tracking well then he'd be out of concussion protocols at the 12 day mark.

Considering he has a history of concussions, and he still has symptoms 12 days after the hit, I'd say things aren't going that well. Hopefully he starts feeling better soon, his health is by far the most important, not rushing back to football.
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Where have you got the bolded from?
 

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sr36 said:
That doesn't mean he's currently experiencing symptoms, Kap.
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Last i heard once it gets to 12 days you either leave the concussion protocols if your symptom free if you stay in them if you're still not feeling well.

Are you saying players could have zero symptoms and still be under the concussion protocols for a 3rd week?
 
Kappa said:
Last i heard once it gets to 12 days you either leave the concussion protocols if your symptom free if you stay in them if you're still not feeling well.

Are you saying players could have zero symptoms and still be under the concussion protocols for a 3rd week?
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I thought it was 12 days from when you experience any concussion symptoms, if that is the case then he may have experienced them still for too long to be able to play this week's game but might not be experiencing them now, I'm def no expert on it, just the way I think it works
 
I think the protocols have a bunch of markers along the way and you stall if you don't pass them.

For instance, if you are still having symptoms like significant headaches/dizziness for 5 days after the event then your 12 day clock wouldn't even start running. Likewise, a setback at day 4 may mean that there are another couple of days added on.

So, there may have been lingering symptoms or a setback but that doesn't mean that he has them now. I don't think you can even do any contact training until the 12 days are reached, so he hasn't got there yet.
 
Lifelong Pie said:
I thought it was 12 days from when you experience any concussion symptoms, if that is the case then he may have experienced them still for too long to be able to play this week's game but might not be experiencing them now, I'm def no expert on it, just the way I think it works
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You could be right, it's hard to find the AFL's 11 step concussion protocol online.

Hope he's feeling okay
 

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Kappa said:
Last i heard once it gets to 12 days you either leave the concussion protocols if your symptom free if you stay in them if you're still not feeling well.

Are you saying players could have zero symptoms and still be under the concussion protocols for a 3rd week?
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That's not how it works. The protocols are things you need to do before you return to play and you progress through those things in a minimum time frame. So if you still have symptoms on day 2 - you don't begin to work through the protocols until day 2 - so it becomes a minimum of 12 days from day 2.

Plus the days requirements are AFL set minimums - some clubs may have implemented longer protocols than the minimums.

Or in other words, we have no idea where Schultz is at in terms of symptoms. It's definitely possible he still has symptoms. It's also possible that he has none and is feeling great.
 
jimmy35 said:
Didn’t realise he’d had issues before. Not good for Shoota, hopefully recover. The long term effects of this are a real worry though.
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It's really shifted quickly from an injury that we didn't give a shit about to the one that concerns us the most.
 
Kappa said:
You could be right, it's hard to find the AFL's 11 step concussion protocol online.

Hope he's feeling okay
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According to AI:

⚠️ Key Time-Based Rules in the AFL Protocol:​


🧠 1. Mandatory 12-Day Stand-Down Rule​


  • A player must wait at least 12 days after the concussion diagnosis before returning to play.
  • This rule was introduced in 2021 and is one of the clearest minimum timeframes in the protocol.
  • It means even with rapid recovery, a player cannot play again until Day 13 at the earliest.


⏱️ Suggested Timing per Step (Guided by International Best Practices)​


The AFL follows a stepwise graduated return-to-play model, typically progressing one step per 24 hours, assuming no symptoms. If symptoms return, the player must drop back to the previous step and rest at least 24 hours before trying again.


Here's a common progression model used (based on international concussion return-to-play protocols, like the Berlin Consensus):


StepActivityApprox. Timeframe (if symptom-free)
1Rest (physical & cognitive)24–48 hours
2Light aerobic exercise1 day
3Moderate aerobic activity1 day
4Non-contact training drills1 day
5Medical review & clearance1 day
6Full contact training1 day
7Medical clearance for match play1 day
8Return to play (Day 13 at earliest)—



🔁 What If Symptoms Recur?​


  • If symptoms return at any stage, the player must:
    • Stop activity.
    • Rest until symptom-free for at least 24 hours.
    • Resume at the previous symptom-free step.
 
sr36 said:
According to AI:

⚠️ Key Time-Based Rules in the AFL Protocol:​


🧠 1. Mandatory 12-Day Stand-Down Rule​


  • A player must wait at least 12 days after the concussion diagnosis before returning to play.
  • This rule was introduced in 2021 and is one of the clearest minimum timeframes in the protocol.
  • It means even with rapid recovery, a player cannot play again until Day 13 at the earliest.


⏱️ Suggested Timing per Step (Guided by International Best Practices)​


The AFL follows a stepwise graduated return-to-play model, typically progressing one step per 24 hours, assuming no symptoms. If symptoms return, the player must drop back to the previous step and rest at least 24 hours before trying again.


Here's a common progression model used (based on international concussion return-to-play protocols, like the Berlin Consensus):


StepActivityApprox. Timeframe (if symptom-free)
1Rest (physical & cognitive)24–48 hours
2Light aerobic exercise1 day
3Moderate aerobic activity1 day
4Non-contact training drills1 day
5Medical review & clearance1 day
6Full contact training1 day
7Medical clearance for match play1 day
8Return to play (Day 13 at earliest)—



🔁 What If Symptoms Recur?​


  • If symptoms return at any stage, the player must:
    • Stop activity.
    • Rest until symptom-free for at least 24 hours.
    • Resume at the previous symptom-free step.
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The first and third bullet points are wrong. Even AI is fooled by the AFL's use of biblical day counting.
 

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