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Reckon they maybe a better side next season North. Learned a lot this season re close ones and will have another pre-season under the belt of the young ones. Potentially a really good team - just they will soon be up against GC - and that is not good.

Essendon where on the rise but if they lose a heap of picks - this will stall their development over the next few seasons.

Hawks will be there abouts and so will Sydney for a few years - and hopefully the Catters.

We all have to pinch a player off GC and the Giants to even out the teams going forward.
 
Jon Douglas said:
Reckon they maybe a better side next season North. Learned a lot this season re close ones and will have another pre-season under the belt of the young ones. Potentially a really good team - just they will soon be up against GC - and that is not good.

Essendon where on the rise but if they lose a heap of picks - this will stall their development over the next few seasons.

Hawks will be there abouts and so will Sydney for a few years - and hopefully the Catters.

We all have to pinch a player off GC and the Giants to even out the teams going forward.
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Disagree. They haven't won jack shit yet. It's not unlike the awe and reverence everyone had for St.Kilda in 2004. High draft picks alone don't guarantee anything. When they start making the finals or beating top teams maybe that view can be changed. But right now both sides are still crap.
 
Partridge said:
Disagree. They haven't won jack shit yet. It's not unlike the awe and reverence everyone had for St.Kilda in 2004. High draft picks alone don't guarantee anything. When they start making the finals or beating top teams maybe that view can be changed. But right now both sides are still crap.
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Agree! Everyone presumes GC and GWS will keep every player, they will all achieve full potential and will create a winning culture. Footy just doesn't work that way. There are way too many variables.
Injury...ego...luck...good management...salary cap/free agency...homesickness...
When you have that many "guns" in a team, it's hard to imagine they won't be poached seriously by other teams, a la Caddy.
Expect them to be competitive certainly by 2015-16 but flags are far from guaranteed.
 
Well Partridge we will see next two seasons. It is easy to predict a team will be good when they are good. The hard part of a prediction is saying it before they are good.

As far as GC and Giants go I am not saying they will win Premierships - and especially so for 2 more years. But they will be a lot harder to beat. They were given way too many players.

Yes it takes time build a team and decent culture and yes you need a good run with injuries. But to discount that they cannot do that in 2 + years with a heap of very good young players with 100 senior games under their belt (Giants will take longer) - is writing them off before they have had a chance.

There is a possibility they will come on. I have no crystal ball but it is possible. Disrespect them in a few years at your peril I reckon.
 

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Jon Douglas said:
Well Partridge we will see next two seasons. It is easy to predict a team will be good when they are good. The hard part of a prediction is saying it before they are good.

As far as GC and Giants go I am not saying they will win Premierships - and especially so for 2 more years. But they will be a lot harder to beat. They were given way too many players.

Yes it takes time build a team and decent culture and yes you need a good run with injuries. But to discount that they cannot do that in 2 + years with a heap of very good young players with 100 senior games under their belt (Giants will take longer) - is writing them off before they have had a chance.

There is a possibility they will come on. I have no crystal ball but it is possible. Disrespect them in a few years at your peril I reckon.
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There's a big difference between showing respect for an opposition team (which is fine), and being in ridiculous, premature fear of them. There are too many sheep out there who seriously think no other side has ever had good young players before. And naturally because no one can remember last week let alone last year, every high draft pick they have is the best young player ever.

They've got some good young players, and a handful of very good youngers. But so have had St.Kilda, and Melbourne, and Carlton. The same ridiculous hype about O'Meara and Cameron was exactly - EXACTLY - the same for Gibbs and Watts and Riewoldt and Goddard. And that has not quite turned out as predicted either. So I'll just wait and see I think.
 
There's a scenario where Sydney play Hawthorn, Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond, Hawthorn and Geelong in the GF....brutal!!!
 
witsend said:
There's a scenario where Sydney play Hawthorn, Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond, Hawthorn and Geelong in the GF....brutal!!!
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Shouldn't the first Hawthorn & Geelong be swapped around Sydney plays us this week & the Hawks next week:
so it should be Geelong, Hawthorn, Hawthorn, Richmond, Hawthorn & Geelong?
 
cats_09 said:
Shouldn't the first Hawthorn & Geelong be swapped around Sydney plays us this week & the Hawks next week:
so it should be Geelong, Hawthorn, Hawthorn, Richmond, Hawthorn & Geelong?
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Correct, sorry...still a horrific and not altogether unlikely run!
 
1. Geelong 18-4 136.4%
2. Hawthorn 18-4 135.7%
3. Freo 17-1-4 140.5%
4. Sydney 16-1-5 134.8%
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5. Richmond 15-7 118.4%
6. Collingwood 15-7 114.4%
7. Essendon 13-9 105.7%
8. Port Adelaide 13-9 105.4%

Ran through the predictor on the AFL site. Hawthorn lost to Sydney, whereas we won both games and clinched top spot based on the winning margins I entered (30pts in both our games, Hawthorn on the other hand defeated North by 30 and lost to Sydney by 12).

We're a much bigger chance to snare the minor premiership than some people realise. It wouldn't take much for the Hawks to fall from top spot, particularly based on the above scenario.

As for how the finals itself pans out, I had us winning through to face Freo in the GF. Have a feeling an upset could be on the cards should the Dockers face Hawthorn in Week 1- the match would be at Etihad where an ultra-defensive gameplan might be aided by the ground's smaller dimensions.
 
HappyChappy35 said:
1. Geelong 18-4 136.4%
2. Hawthorn 18-4 135.7%
3. Freo 17-1-4 140.5%
4. Sydney 16-1-5 134.8%
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5. Richmond 15-7 118.4%
6. Collingwood 15-7 114.4%
7. Essendon 13-9 105.7%
8. Port Adelaide 13-9 105.4%

Ran through the predictor on the AFL site. Hawthorn lost to Sydney, whereas we won both games and clinched top spot based on the winning margins I entered (30pts in both our games, Hawthorn on the other hand defeated North by 30 and lost to Sydney by 12).

We're a much bigger chance to snare the minor premiership than some people realise. It wouldn't take much for the Hawks to fall from top spot, particularly based on the above scenario.

As for how the finals itself pans out, I had us winning through to face Freo in the GF. Have a feeling an upset could be on the cards should the Dockers face Hawthorn in Week 1- the match would be at Etihad where an ultra-defensive gameplan might be aided by the ground's smaller dimensions.
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How did Chappy go in his first game back? :D
 
  • Cats to win both remaining games, with the Brisbane game providing us a large percentage boost.
  • Hawks to beat Norf but lose to Sydaney, seeing them slip to second.
  • Freo to win both games finishing 3rd
  • Swans to win one lose one, finishing 4th
  • Cats to beat Sydaney in the first final and go straight through to a prelim
  • Hawks to smash Freo in first final going through to a prelim
  • Freo to face Collingwood in perth week 2, Swans to face Tigers in week 2, Dockers beating the Pies, Swans to beat Tigers in Sydaney
  • Sydaney to beat Hawks in their Prelim, Cats to beat Dockers in a similar fashion to the earlier spanking this year we gave them.
  • Cats v Swans GF, third time Cats will have played the Swans in 5 games. Cats winning again, 3 from 3 in 5 weeks.
Disagree? Coma at me!
 

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HappyChappy35 said:
Hawthorn lost to Sydney
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tough finish for Sydney isn't it, they are going to lose against us this weekend, no doubt in my mind about that one but then they essentially face a nothing game against Hawthorn who would be needing to win to hold onto the no.1 spot whereas Sydney can lose both their final games and won't drop out of the top 4.
 
footscore said:
tough finish for Sydney isn't it, they are going to lose against us this weekend, no doubt in my mind about that one but then they essentially face a nothing game against Hawthorn who would be needing to win to hold onto the no.1 spot whereas Sydney can lose both their final games and won't drop out of the top 4.
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There is something to that, However this isn't like last year where you can go in losing 3 of 4 when you are going against a pretender like Adelaide but that kind of form going into the finals playing either Geelong or Hawthorn could be lethal.

If they drop the QF they would 1 from their past 5 games with that kind of form straight sets is a distinct possibility.

So basically what I'm saying is if they lose to us they will flat wont to beat Hawthorn, no matter what they say about it.
 
Everyone writing off Sydney again? Alright then :confused:
They're a huge chance against us this weekend, last time to beat us at home as you'll remember. And a very good chance to knock off Hawthorn who are not as good as last year IMO.
 

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Cheshire Cat said:
Everyone writing off Sydney again? Alright then :confused:
They're a huge chance against us this weekend, last time to beat us at home as you'll remember. And a very good chance to knock off Hawthorn who are not as good as last year IMO.
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I rate Sydney very highly as a rule, but I think the draw has flattered them and they have not looked as settled as they should due to injury and form fluctuation of late.
Haven't performed well against Top 4s.
Also the last time they beat us at Simonds was McVeigh's game back after the heartbreaking loss of his daughter. Sydney were never, ever in a million years going to lose that game!
60-40 game in our favour I reckon...
 

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