Opinion League equalisation - a joke

[Pie eyed]

I would be a gynocolegist for a Coles workers pay

I love fishing, passionately, but nothing would convince me to work 60 hours a week on a trawler.
Not many times when anyone's just going to pop in to show you a fine healthy smoo and have a glass of Chablis either

 

[Yonchi]

Our relative ability to turn it around was assisted by a massive supporter base. The concepts of fairness and equality should be applied to the afl's manufactured, stage managed draw before they have any credibility on anything.

That's true, but if you would have said in the late 90's that Collingwood would eventually associate itself with a luxury car brand you’d have been laughed at. A lot has had to change in order to garner the success we've had. In particular the club's mindset

 

[Smokeyr67]

I would be a gynocolegist for a Coles workers pay

A very smart Uncle of mine told me to find a job that I loved, but never be a Playboy Photographer or Publican.

His logic was your going to get sick of your job eventually, so why spoil a good thing.

 

[Smokeyr67]

What we need is a 2 tier competition that goes a little something like this......

Champions League: (year 1 starting line up)
Collingwood
Carlton
Essendon
Hawthorn
Geelong
West Coast
Sydney
Adelaide
Brisbane
Richmond
Fremantle
Norf

12 teams each playing 2 games against all opponents home and away. 22 games and an old school final 5 system. The team that finishes top of the ladder gets a trophy ... then they play off in the finals for the big trophy.... the grand final. Bottom 2 sides play off in relegation finals with the top 3 sides of the Division 1 competition... which comprises:

Division 1
Saints
Bulldogs
Port
Suns
GWS
Melbourne
Canberra
Hobart
Darwin
Auckland
Ballarat/Bendigo
Fitzroy/South Melb

The 2 highest finishing teams of the relegation play off are promoted or safe to stay in the Champions League.
Draft/salary cap and player movement rules stay pretty much the same. Need some new grounds built.

Perhaps it's the Christmas Cheer I've imbibed today, but I understand and concur.

A 12 team Division, with a 12 team second division would be great. Each division plays 22 H&A games, have a final 5, div 2 play the Grannie at the G on Friday night, winner gets to move into the tier 1 comp. Div 2 play at 2pm Saturday.

There's a week break between H&A and finals, with Div1 teams 11 and 12 playing off to avoid relegation.

I've got a few more beers in the fridge, so I'll expand on this shortly

 

[PieNSauce]

The big danger with equalisation measures as have been bandied about is the disenfranchisement of those who actually contribute the funds to be distributed. When you start forcing Collingwood members to pay for the poor management of other teams I'm fairly sure they'll have a good long look at just how much they want to contribute. The other danger is that you fundamentally change what was once a competition into nothing more than a round-robin exercise in handing out flags. Where would the interest be in a "competition" where you simply take your turn in having success. It's nonsensical and would seriously threaten nearly every revenue stream including, indeed mostly, the media rights revenue. Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally against some form of equalisation but the kind of things being bandied about sound an awful lot like biting the hand that feeds and reducing the size of the pie whilst encouraging mediocrity. I don't know what the answer is but it sure as hell isn't that.

 

[jonbe54]

All the AFL needs to do is STOP expansion for 5 years and divert THEIR consolidated revenue (which is our - the individual clubs - money) into encouraging the poorer AFL clubs to get totally professional in the way they run their operations - from the bootstudder to the pres.

The AFL would then provide funds for restructure of their organization and upgrading facilities. Those who embrace change and work towards self-sufficiency will prosper and those addicted to hand outs will wither.

It's time for the awful farce that we name equalization to end and the AFL get serious about making ALL clubs totally self-sufficient.

 

[Lockyer24]

Equal salary cap and get rid of these never ending mystery draft concessions then we will talk

 

[doodles98]

Perhaps it's the Christmas Cheer I've imbibed today, but I understand and concur.

A 12 team Division, with a 12 team second division would be great. Each division plays 22 H&A games, have a final 5, div 2 play the Grannie at the G on Friday night, winner gets to move into the tier 1 comp. Div 2 play at 2pm Saturday.

There's a week break between H&A and finals, with Div1 teams 11 and 12 playing off to avoid relegation.

I've got a few more beers in the fridge, so I'll expand on this shortly

This is the only possible way the AFL can continue to expand and at the same time get back to having a fair and sensible competition where everyone plays everyone twice. The good thing about this too is that there is intense interest in both ends of the ladder... relegation battles take on the same importance as finals campaigns for the teams and supporters involved. Would boost crowd numbers and interest significantly.

 

[TradeDraft]

Personally I don't think taxing the rich clubs and giving the proceeds to the poor clubs will make any difference.

In a perverse kind of way it'll make clubs less equal.

The rich clubs will remain rich.

The poor clubs that rely on welfare will always rely on welfare.

The Welfare clubs should Merge,Move or Get no Help from other AFL Teams and the AFL. Fitzroy never got help

 

[dansa]

I want ALL clubs to survive.

I support the draft, the salary cap and the revenue sharing from TV rights and general AFL income.

It goes too far if the AFL re-distributes either Membership $ or any other club earned income such as merchandise/sponsorship etc

Why would I pay for a membership if that money was supporting rival clubs? That would be madness. The club would be better off under that senario to halve the price of memberships rather than funnel that income to rivals.

 

[ppoiter]

Thought I might add this to the conversation. Looks like the "its easy when you have heaps of fans" argument doesnt always hold

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...f-the-equalisation-debate-20131213-2zcsl.html

 

[jmac70]

The Welfare clubs should Merge,Move or Get no Help from other AFL Teams and the AFL. Fitzroy never got help

This may shock you TD, but supporters of so called "welfare clubs" love their team just as much as you love the Pies. Perhaps you should think about that before recommending they merge?

 

[Hardas]

This may shock you TD, but supporters of so called "welfare clubs" love their team just as much as you love the Pies. Perhaps you should think about that before recommending they merge?

Surely not!!!

 

[GETSOMENUTS]

This may shock you TD, but supporters of so called "welfare clubs" love their team just as much as you love the Pies. Perhaps you should think about that before recommending they merge?

Thats true Jmac, but I always say if these fans love their club so much, where are they on gameday? You need bums on seats to survive, you cant hope on playing Collingwwod, Essendon and Carlton twice if your a club like the Bulldogs, whose supporters can all fit in a phone box.
And I always said about Fitzroy, their fans were so cut up about the club folding, well where the **** were they in the lead up to the clubs demise? Watching at home.
They came out of the woodwork for the final game and the crying made me sick. Dont cry for something that you yourself helped kill. The club needed all their fans at the ground, instead they played to large empty sections of the ground. But hey its better to cry and point fingers after the event.