Lee's Action is looking more suspect....

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by nicko18
IMO his action is not as suspect as harbhajan singh, but we dont go screaming blue murder about him. i even think there is more talk about it because he is australian. and the reason the person you are comparing "screaming blue murder" about is because he is likely to set bowling records that will never be broken. Brett Lee is in no danger of doing that.

We were crying about Muriltharan long before he looked like breaking records

The ACB have Lee on their protected species list. He gets away with chucking. He consistently gets picked for one dayers when he is a pathetic one day bowler. Even in the tests he should have been dropped before he was.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by nicko18
they have been instructed NOT to call a no ball for chucking during a match.

Indeed. Look what happened to Ross Emerson.

And Suzi, Thomo had a unique sling arm action which gave him that raw pace.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
We were crying about Muriltharan long before he looked like breaking records

The ACB have Lee on their protected species list. He gets away with chucking. He consistently gets picked for one dayers when he is a pathetic one day bowler. Even in the tests he should have been dropped before he was.

also probably had a fair bit to do with the fact that he was actually no balled, and was bowling later in that series and the next.

i didnt think the ACB had any say in the matter as to whether lee's action is to be investigated. i mean im sure they could analyse it if they wanted to, but if the ICC wanted to i cant see how the ACB could stop them. so you cant attribute the fact that he gets away with chucking with the ACB protected species argument.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by nicko18
wrong and wrong

double-jointed? Of course there is no such thing as being double jointed, it is just a term used for someone who can bend their joints more than most. It isn't a technical term used or some sort of medical condition.

I don't know what your second 'wrong' is in reference to, I can only assume that it is in reference to 'flicking your wrist isn't chucking' which obviously it isn't, all bowlers do it, the great Curlty Ambrose used it to great effect.

 

[Dipper]

I believe that Zombie is correct in regards to double jointedness, no body is double jointed in the literal sense.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by DIPPER
I believe that Zombie is correct in regards to double jointedness, no body is double jointed in the literal sense.

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i agree that in the literal sense, no-one will have two wrist joints where others have one. i'm just saying that double jointedness exists purely because it refers to the hyper extension of certain joints.

it's like saying pigeon toes dont exist, but pigeon toes refers to someone who walks with toes pointing inwards.


my second wrong incase you were wondering zombie, was referring to the fact that brett lee doesnt chuck. im almost certain that most of the time his action is legit, but there are occasions where he does chuck, ESPECIALLY when he tries to bowl flat out, and as i said previously, it is very tempting to chuck to get that extra pace when you dont have enough petrol in the tank, just like it is tempting to "run" in a 50km walk when you are getting a bit tired.

 

[dr nick]

A dictionary definition of double-jointedness makes it clear: it is " having unusually flexible joints that can bend in unusual ways or to abnormally great extent."

so of course there's such a thing as double jointedness.


i happen to know the term evloved from a previous misconception that people used to have extra joints.

 

[knuckles]

Originally posted by nicko18
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i agree that in the literal sense, no-one will have two wrist joints where others have one. i'm just saying that double jointedness exists purely because it refers to the hyper extension of certain joints.

it's like saying pigeon toes dont exist, but pigeon toes refers to someone who walks with toes pointing inwards.


my second wrong incase you were wondering zombie, was referring to the fact that brett lee doesnt chuck. im almost certain that most of the time his action is legit, but there are occasions where he does chuck, ESPECIALLY when he tries to bowl flat out, and as i said previously, it is very tempting to chuck to get that extra pace when you dont have enough petrol in the tank, just like it is tempting to "run" in a 50km walk when you are getting a bit tired.

Don't agree. he chucks, but I doubt whether it would give you more pace 98% of the way through an over arm bowling action. To "chuck" fast you also need to contort your back in a different manner. More sloppy then anything. In spin bowling there's a distinct advantage as the chuck gives you more spin.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by knuckles
Don't agree. he chucks, but I doubt whether it would give you more pace 98% of the way through an over arm bowling action. To "chuck" fast you also need to contort your back in a different manner. More sloppy then anything. In spin bowling there's a distinct advantage as the chuck gives you more spin.

i can do it (chuck) and it gives me an extra half a yard of pace. i do it in the nets when i want to bowl a fast bouncer (never in the game of course )

in reference to having to contort your back in order to chuck and the action becoming sloppy, not true at all, its easier than it looks. my action doesnt change at all, all you have to do is keep the arm bent around 10 degrees for the majority of the rotation and then straighten it upon release.

about spin bowling, definitely. much more spin. if i was allowed to just stand down the other end and chuck offies, id go close to becoming australias second spinner, they almost turn at right angles. as soon as the arm has to come over straight, very very hard to get any turn.

 

[Joe Mama]

For christ sake, why do we have to crap on and on about Brett Lee's, Shoaib Aktar's and Muttiah Muralitharan's action.

All three of them are quality bowlers who are great for the game (although i've got my doubts about Brett Lee's worth in our current team, because of is inaccuracy), and all three of themwill play a major part in their respective countries World Cup campaigns.

ALL THREE OF THEM HAVE BEEN CLEARED AND THAT SHOULD BE THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION, and as for that cretinous claim that Brett Lee is protected by the ACB, well Ian Meckiff (A Victorian, need I say more) bent his arm a lot less that Brett Lee with his action, and he was expelled out of the game, so as far as that's concerned, the ACB doesn't have a great track record (Personally Ian should sue both the ACB and the ICC for back pay).

And anyway, it's almost impossible to get your arm perfectly straight when your bowling, and the issue of "how much is too much" will never be resolved, whilst the rules governing suspect actions remains so vague.

 

[knuckles]

Originally posted by Wayde Petersen


And anyway, it's almost impossible to get your arm perfectly straight when your bowling, and the issue of "how much is too much" will never be resolved, whilst the rules governing suspect actions remains so vague.

Max Walker

West Indians from the 80s.

 

[Becker]

The ICC has painted itself into a corner and put the whole issue to bed by declaring Murili's action legal. If he doesn't chuck, nobody does.
Like everything else, chucking will have to reach ridiculous proportions before anyone is sited for throwing in future.

 

[Becker]

Originally posted by Becker
The ICC has painted itself into a corner and put the whole issue to bed by declaring Murili's action legal. If he doesn't chuck, nobody does.
Like everything else, chucking will have to reach ridiculous proportions before anyone is sited for throwing in future.

Oops, I meant "cited"