Test Kuhnemann reported for suspect action

[damochandler]

Wasn’t there an Australian off spinner that kept getting reported for a suspect action a year or 2 after murali

 

[Retzlaff]

“Ok you’re on screen now. I’ll need you to overturn your decision Joel”

 

[Natho]

**** me. Poor bloke

 

[Some Idiot]

I think a few of us thought his action looked more suspect than in his previous matches for Australia, so it's at least interesting that the umpires thought it was the case as well.

 

[hawkman]

‘Suspect bowling action’: Test hero Kuhnemann at career crossroads after being reported

Just days after bowling Australia to a groundbreaking series win in Sri Lanka, Australian spinner Matt Kuhnemann’s Test future is under a cloud after suspicions were raised about his bowling action.

www.theage.com.au

The left-armer has been told all variations in his repertoire, and not just a specific delivery, have come under scrutiny of match officials, who reported him for a suspect action after the second Test in Galle.

The Age does him no favours with this

 

[PhatBoy]

He definitely chucks it, but they bend* the rules for subcontinental players, so they should do it for him.

*apologies... they hyperextend the rules.

The fact that as a grown adult you still can’t get over a law that’s always been in the game just because a guy from a team you detest is the best bowler in the world gives me more satisfaction than I can put into words

 

[ptrg]

It is ironic he was cited in the country that the greatest ever wicket taker/chucker comes from.

 

[grumbleguts]

I think a few of us thought his action looked more suspect than in his previous matches for Australia, so it's at least interesting that the umpires thought it was the case as well.

He's been chucking his entire career. But then so has a certain fast bowler from the subcontinent.

 

[tenderwarrior]

I am not all that surprised. If I noticed it from my couch no shock that an umpire did likewise. I imagine it will be okay though? Strange that a player can play without incident for years and then all of a sudden have an issue with their action.

 

[tenderwarrior]

He's been chucking his entire career. But then so has a certain fast bowler from the subcontinent.

Having spend a bit of time in India, and played a little bit of social/community cricket there, the culture around throwing/bowling is very casual. Nobody seems to blink twice if you were to pitch the cricket ball like a baseball in the games I played in. They were not official matches, but bending of the rules (and arms) is common place

 

[PhatBoy]

He's been chucking his entire career. But then so has a certain fast bowler from the subcontinent.

There’s probably many over there that are.

Just not the one you’re thinking of, because you have no idea what the law is and your understanding of it, if it’s even possible, seems to be actually getting worse

 

[jannissary]

to accuse bumrah of chucking is distasteful and ridiculous. very little clue about the specifics of the rule.

 

[grumbleguts]

to accuse bumrah of chucking is distasteful and ridiculous. very little clue about the specifics of the rule.

know the exact wording of the rule. And he chucks it. It isn't the inside of his elbow you see it's the point. It is notu hyperextended.


That's his elbow.

The degree of straightening here is 32 degrees. Well beyond the cheating, but allowable for some reason, 15 degrees.

 

[PhatBoy]

know the exact wording of the rule. And he chucks it. It isn't the inside of his elbow you see it's the point. It is notu hyperextended.

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That's his elbow.

The degree of straightening here is 32 degrees. Well beyond the cheating, but allowable for some reason, 15 degrees.

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Thank you for posting two photos of a bowler with a hyper extended arm/elbow, thus fitting in with where it says “any elbow hyperextension shall be discounted for the purposes of determining an illegal bowling action.”

Do you want to post them for the 20 million-and-first time so we can point it out to you again, or do you just want to keep ignoring it and further highlighting your top shelf dementia-ridden boobery?

 

[dogs105]

Thank you for posting two photos of a bowler with a hyper extended arm/elbow, thus fitting in with where it says “any elbow hyperextension shall be discounted for the purposes of determining an illegal bowling action.”

Do you want to post them for the 20 million-and-first time so we can point it out to you again, or do you just want to keep ignoring it and further highlighting your top shelf dementia-ridden boobery?

Seeing a lot of "15 degrees to accommodate Murali ", when the reason it was changed to 15 for all bowling types was because almost all fast bowlers, including Glenn McGrath were chucking it under the 5 degree rule. 15 degrees is supposedly around where it is visible to the naked eye

 

[PhatBoy]

Seeing a lot of "15 degrees to accommodate Murali ", when the reason it was changed to 15 for all bowling types was because almost all fast bowlers, including Glenn McGrath were chucking it under the 5 degree rule. 15 degrees is supposedly around where it is visible to the naked eye

Since this Kuhnemann story came up the sheer volume of people emerging who have absolutely no idea of how the whole modern progression of the issue has played out, is astounding

 

[Scorpus]

know the exact wording of the rule. And he chucks it. It isn't the inside of his elbow you see it's the point. It is notu hyperextended.

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That's his elbow.

The degree of straightening here is 32 degrees. Well beyond the cheating, but allowable for some reason, 15 degrees.

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That picture clearly shows the opposite of straightening. His bowling action starts straight and ends bent backwards (aka hyperextension).

With Kuhnemann the issue is whether his action starts bent (at a point above the horizontal) and ends straight

 

[t_94]

Joel Wilson for sure.

Meanwhile Bumrah can chuck for all he is worth.
I rule for Asians.....

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Bumrah doesn’t chuck it.

 

[beatnik]

Thank you for posting two photos of a bowler with a hyper extended arm/elbow, thus fitting in with where it says “any elbow hyperextension shall be discounted for the purposes of determining an illegal bowling action.”

Do you want to post them for the 20 million-and-first time so we can point it out to you again, or do you just want to keep ignoring it and further highlighting your top shelf dementia-ridden boobery?

Lots of ad hominem attacks from you, Phatboy, but very little by way of useful information to educate those you’re complaining about

It would have taken less effort on your part to write one post explaining the different between hyperextension and throwing than it would have to spray the board with insults and invective so your complaints ring a little hollow

 

[PhatBoy]

Lots of ad hominem attacks from you, Phatboy, but very little by way of useful information to educate those you’re complaining about

It would have taken less effort on your part to write one post explaining the different between hyperextension and throwing than it would have to spray the board with insults and invective so your complaints ring a little hollow

You mean aside from the actual quotation of the law he doesn’t understand, as it is written, you mean.

Which I’ve also quoted numerous times previously and he either chooses not to, or doesn’t read. If he is going to continuously post this shit, he will continuously be shown how stupid it is. Its not rocket science, or rocket biomechanics, as it were.

 

[grumbleguts]

That picture clearly shows the opposite of straightening. His bowling action starts straight and ends bent backwards (aka hyperextension).

With Kuhnemann the issue is whether his action starts bent (at a point above the horizontal) and ends straight

No it doesn't.


The difference is greater than the allowable 15 degrees.

 

[PhatBoy]

No it doesn't.
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The difference is greater than the allowable 15 degrees.

There is no allowable 15 degrees when the arm bends backwards

How do you still not get this.

Do you need crayons and toothpicks to have it explained to you?

 

[Scorpus]

No it doesn't.
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The difference is greater than the allowable 15 degrees.

Is it?





For the majority of the action he's going from straight to bent (allowed, the rules say a throw is moving from bent to extended/straight) and then at the end there's a 9 degree difference (allowed, as the extension is less than 15 degrees) and all of it is a hyperextension anyway (allowed, rules say hyperextension does not count for purposes of analysis)

 

[PhatBoy]

Is it?

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For the majority of the action he's going from straight to bent (allowed, the rules say a throw is moving from bent to extended/straight) and then at the end there's a 9 degree difference (allowed, as the extension is less than 15 degrees) and all of it is a hyperextension anyway (allowed, rules say hyperextension does not count for purposes of analysis)

It wouldn’t matter - as you acknowledge at the end anyway - how much. He’s allowed to do it.

What he’s showing is literally like someone saying ‘you have a negative blood alcohol reading so you’re breaking the law.’

 

[Scorpus]

It wouldn’t matter - as you acknowledge at the end anyway - how much. He’s allowed to do it.

What he’s showing is literally like someone saying ‘you have a negative blood alcohol reading so you’re breaking the law.’

The thing is that none of it stands up. He doesn't "extend" the elbow, doing the opposite for most of the action. When he does extend it's under the allowed limit for extension. And then on top of all of that, it's a hyperextension which is allowed.

They could change the rules and remove the hyperextension component and Bumrah would still be cleared based on the wording of the other rules