Let's get this straight...

[G.O.B]

Collingwood have few, if any, "untouchables".

The only player I would be reluctant to trade away would be Pendles but even he has a price.

This is said with no player in mind.

 

[HFF]

You fail to understand that our players are of more value to us than others.

We are not in a position to butcher the list.

Sure, as Hine said, we will go into trade week open-minded. However, we will not get "carried away" like some of the ridiculous trade suggestions on this board.

 

[mattys123]

Collingwood have few, if any, "untouchables".

The only player I would be reluctant to trade away would be Pendles but even he has a price.

This is said with no player in mind.

Sidebottom.
Beams.
Anthony.
Maxwell.
Pendlebury.
Swan.
Didak.
O'Brien.
Shaw.

ARE ALL ****ING UNTOUCHABLES. And that's just off the top of my head.

 

[didaka]

Add Nathan Brown. He should never be discussed in trade talks. To important to our structure after Presti's retirement.

 

[mattys123]

Add Nathan Brown. He should never be discussed in trade talks. To important to our structure after Presti's retirement.

I'd put Nathan Brown and Ben Reid in the "Not unless it's for Gary Ablett or Lance Franklin" corner.

 

[Zahki]

I disagree, we have a few untouchables. Swan, Pendlebury, Anthony, Maxwell and Didak are all very important and must be kept. We also want to keep our young guys to see how they develop of course, the signs are very promising for Beams and Sidebottom so far.

 

[SwanBet]

Sidebottom.
Beams.
Anthony.
Maxwell.
Pendlebury.
Swan.
Didak.
O'Brien.
Shaw.

ARE ALL ****ING UNTOUCHABLES. And that's just off the top of my head.

this +

dale thomas. a definate, i dont care how crap some say he is, he will be elite.

Cam Wood, is another who would almost be untouchable a rare sight a 22 year old ruckman showing ruckman.

I would not trade any of the above. To important to us.

Leon will bounce back and cant wait to see the pie thrown in his critics faces. Med will be back to show us all how really good he is. Cloke will be back with more hunger than ever. next year will be a big year.

 

[SwanBet]

By price for pendles do you mean picks 1,2 and 3?

Any player has a price.

 

[Axl the great]

Positions and functions in the gameplan to win a flag are locks, players are keys, when each lock is filled by a key then a premiership team is born, St kilda proved that its keys to the small fwd lock didnt quite fit but 20 out of the 22 keys do fit the locks.
Thats the way we have to look at it, what locks do Collingwood need keys for? IMO if the key(a player) only fits the lock with a bit of force and pressure then that key needs to be discarded and its off to the locksmiths.

 

[FadeAway]

LOL...This is why we will never bring proven talent into the club from else where because if we have key decision makers thinking like some of the people on this board then we will never get anywhere in trade week.

NEWS FLASH: YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING GREAT TO RECIEVE SOMETHING GREAT!!

Plenty of clubs have been enquiring about Ben Reid and Nathan Brown. Both of them have the potential of ending up as key position defenders. The blues need defenders, if you want Fev this is the deal you would probably need to give.

First OR second round pick + Reid OR Brown for Fev

I would be pressing for second round pick + Ben Reid for Fev

 

[mattys123]

Sidebottom.
Beams.
Anthony.
Maxwell.
Pendlebury.
Swan.
Didak.
O'Brien.
Shaw.
N.Brown.
Reid.
Thomas.
Dick.

ARE ALL ****ING UNTOUCHABLES. And that's just off the top of my head.

Ok, just added the last 4, don't care what anyone else says, I am starting to feel really positive about our list, just doing this exercise.

Oh, and by the way, can someone please name the last Full Forward who was the difference between a side winning or losing a Grand Final, ANYONE?

 

[Axl the great]

LOL...This is why we will never bring proven talent into the club from else where because if we have key decision makers thinking like some of the people on this board then we will never get anywhere in trade week.

NEWS FLASH: YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING GREAT TO RECIEVE SOMETHING GREAT!!

Plenty of clubs have been enquiring about Ben Reid and Nathan Brown. Both of them have the potential of ending up as key position defenders. The blues need defenders, if you want Fev this is the deal you would probably need to give.

First OR second round pick + Reid OR Brown for Fev

I would be pressing for second round pick + Ben Reid for Fev

Have to agree with you here, too much "but what if, potential star calls and sometimes over rating our young talent calls IMO.
As you said if you want a player or players to add to the team to really give us a shot then you have to risk giving up a potentially very good player, it happens, but to have Fev, mate i would deal Reid and or Davis no doubt.

 

[FadeAway]

Have to agree with you here, too much "but what if, potential star calls and sometimes over rating our young talent calls IMO.
As you said if you want a player or players to add to the team to really give us a shot then you have to risk giving up a potentially very good player, it happens, but to have Fev, mate i would deal Reid and or Davis no doubt.

Its a calculated risk no matter what. Look at Ben Reid and Nathan Brown. Picks 8 and 10 in the 2006 national draft, and neither of them have really made a big impact on the team. Ben Reid started as a fwd and has been developed in the VFL as a CHB and i think he is developing nicely.

Brown on the other hand has had the 2nd year blues and fighting injuries. You can give one up for Fev, i would have no issue with that.

 

[Axl the great]

Ok, just added the last 4, don't care what anyone else says, I am starting to feel really positive about our list, just doing this exercise.

Oh, and by the way, can someone please name the last Full Forward who was the difference between a side winning or losing a Grand Final, ANYONE?

Mooney-2009
Franklin-2008
Mooney-2007
Tredrea-2006
Hall-2005
Etc Etc

My point is none of these blokes had great GFs but a really good FF makes their opponent accountable more so than normal and allows others in to the game with out the FB doing the usual damage that they may do.
Who was the last full back to really win a GF for their team?
Not having a crack at you Mattys at all, but GF footy is played between the arcs and has been for a while.

 

[mattys123]

Mooney-2009
Franklin-2008
Mooney-2007
Tredrea-2006
Hall-2005
Etc Etc

My point is none of these blokes had great GFs but a really good FF makes their opponent accountable more so than normal and allows others in to the game with out the FB doing the usual damage that they may do.
Who was the last full back to really win a GF for their team?
Not having a crack at you Mattys at all, but GF footy is played between the arcs and has been for a while.

I understand where you are coming from, but I have changed my mind about Fevola and his worth to our list.

If Fev comes to us, I just don't see him being that much of a difference.

We have a developing full forward, who for the record has kicked more goals in his first 36 games (basically 2 seasons) then Fevola did in a similar period at the start of his career.

If Fevola comes to Collingwood Jack will be pushed to a forward pocket, where he will become the shell of a player he was, just like in the 1st final this year.

So, I say, if we are to trade for Fev, you have to trade Anthony, and no one else, because if Fev comes to Collingwood, it will ruin Jack's career as a full forward, making him either an average forward pocket or an average defender.

As I said, I don't want Fev, I just don't see him as being capable or really standing up in an uber defensive game like the Grand Final was this year and has been several times recently.

 

[Optimax]

Matty is pure bullshit to say trading for fev will ruin jacks career

He still kicked 25 goals in 08 playing out of a pocket FFS, he has kicked goals in matches with dawes and cloke as well

It wont do anything like ruining jacks career thats just tripe, the fact he no longer has to play on the scarletts, lakes and ruttens of this world will only hlp him no end

 

[mattys123]

Ok, so "ruin" is a tough word to use, but I firmly believe that if we get Fev we will never know how good Jack Anthony was/is going to be as a Full Forward.

It's a tough call, but I just don't want to see Jack's promise "wasted" (another harsh word I know) on a 29 year old moron form Carlton of all places.

I'm against Fev now, and will be unless we sign him, then like all Collingwood senior players who are achieving for us I will back them.

I'm firmly in a belief that Fevola won't be the difference between us winning or losing a flag, and that Jack Anthony can more then compete in the same position in big games for more years then Fev can.

Just my opinion, but I'll back Jack.

 

[Optimax]

I will state now we wont win a flag with just jack and cloke, i also have my doubts Dawes will ever make anything more then a decent deep forward or pretty good lead up forward.

They are exact reasons why i wanted us to draft a full forward with teh very least pick 14 or go hard to get a pick for butcher

I also disagree Fev will ruin or waste Jack's potential, Jack will probably be hlped by the fact he gets to play as the second forward with the second defender to deal with, he will also get the chance to devolp a more rounded game then the current one that sees him get royally belted by gun full backs.

Fev coming frees up cloke to roam around up field, frees up jack to the second defender with the freedom of not having to be the man every week, allows dick/thomas/didak/medhurst a legitmate amount of crumbing chances (Betts kicked 40ish goals this year, Betts doesnt have the talent or skills to like any of that fours ass hole).

Fevola will also provide us with our best full forward since sav of the mid 90s and therefore will straighten us up as much likely more then rocca did 06/07

 

[smiddaz123]

Ok, so "ruin" is a tough word to use, but I firmly believe that if we get Fev we will never know how good Jack Anthony was/is going to be as a Full Forward.

It's a tough call, but I just don't want to see Jack's promise "wasted" (another harsh word I know) on a 29 year old moron form Carlton of all places.

I'm against Fev now, and will be unless we sign him, then like all Collingwood senior players who are achieving for us I will back them.

I'm firmly in a belief that Fevola won't be the difference between us winning or losing a flag, and that Jack Anthony can more then compete in the same position in big games for more years then Fev can.

Just my opinion, but I'll back Jack.

Fevola will be retiring when Jack is reaching his prime. No issue there imo.

 

[mattys123]

I guess I'm subconsciously being forced into being the pessimist here, as far as getting Fev goes.

In my mind, the more time goes on, I just don't see us (Obviously meaning the Collingwood Football Department) actually placing an offer on the table that Carlton will accept, given that I still believe Carlton will want more from us then they will from anyone else, just for what I like to call the "Lynch Mob Factor".

What is the "Lynch Mob Factor" you ask, well imagine Fev comes to Collingwood and helps us win a flag (ignore my last few posts for a minute), Carlton supporters would literally form a "Lynch Mob" and burn down Visy Park while Kernahan, Swann and Ratten were inside.

 

[smiddaz123]

Yeh but we would have a flag. Winrar.

 

[Axl the great]

Jack will always be a bit player to a certain extent, good enough to kick 50 a year but not good enough to step up when the real pressure is on due to size and real forward talent ala Fevola.
Jack is similar to Kent Kingsley in style and Kingsley was no dud make no mistake just misused, Jack is a lead up fwd but in reality he is a swingman due to his backline experience ala Hunter but better, i would start him forward with Fev (if it happens) .
With two or three (Rusling) lead up players and one or two waiting back in the 50 i would think that big Trav is on the table and have heard that Carlton and Melbourne are very interested hope it doesnt happen but hey whatever will be will be.

 

[Joe-time]

What is the "Lynch Mob Factor" you ask, well imagine Fev comes to Collingwood and helps us win a flag (ignore my last few posts for a minute), Carlton supporters would literally form a "Lynch Mob" and burn down Visy Park while Kernahan, Swann and Ratten were inside.

Make sure someone takes a picture. I'd use it as my screensaver.

 

[Vixen]

untouchables:
swan
pendlebury
beams
sidebottom
maxwell
o'brian
shaw
didak

should be untouchable:
n.brown
anthony
dick
davis

 

[G.O.B]

In the OP i didn't say anything about raiding our list nor did I mention Fevola.

My point was that any player on our list, bar Pendlebury, is tradeable.

If the Collingwood Football Department truly believe that our window is open then we may have to let a 10 year player with POTENTIAL go for a structural player that will allow us to challenge NOW.