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Player Watch Liam McMahon (Delisted 2022)
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I'm just glad that there will be a VFL season this year, so we get to see/hear about the progress of young players like 'Taxi doors' McMahon
people know he’s not ready. It’s just wishful thinking as many (me included) want at least one KPF, not ruckman playing forward. Really is baffling how we find ourselves in this position. Would be great to see Moore and McMahon become cornerstones of our forward mix
Our coach doesn’t believe in key forwards. His strategy is to have a forward line with an array of medium size players. Bring on change 2022.
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Obviously the game has changed for all teams, some more than most.
But I genuinely miss having a gun key forward to focus and pin my hopes to, through the course of a game.
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Gun key forwards are fine but teams are obviously built upon them and if they go down at the wrong time can destroy a team's campaign.
Dateline September 1970.
Grand Final day 2/3rds of the way through the 2nd quarter and Collingwood are tearing great bleeding chunks off the Carlton football club carcass and Peter McKenna has 4 goals with nothing the 'great' Barassi can do to curb him.
Collingwood hardman Des Tuddenham comes tearing through the pack and accidentally smashes at full pace into Mckenna, taking him out of the GF.
Collingwood never recover and Carlton get a gifted GF.
All of us old enough to be at the G are scarred by that day - yes it's bad luck - but bad luck happens - especially to this team.
Gary Ablett senior is another sobering lesson.
One of the most gifted forwards to ever play the game had a stunning GF in 1989, kicking 9 goals but it wasn't enough.
My personal opinion, again a bit off topic, is that if Moore was played forward all season he would comfortably be our leading goal kicker (assuming you could also play cox and Mihocek forward all season in some parallel universe as a comparison).
Whether that makes it a good play compared to leaving him in the backline, we may never know.
Whether that makes it a good play compared to leaving him in the backline, we may never know.
Hypothetically who would you want to see replace Moore in defence?
If Kelly is a more natural backman... then him.
I like Moore back actually, but Kelly forward doesnt inspire me. So maybe this could work. Bucks seems determined to turn every player that comes into the club into a different player, to maybe prove he's clever....
Kelly from Backman to fwd
Ruscoe was a backman, now forward... could free up Crisp, Quaynor or Maynard
Pendles was tried off half back... didnt work
Mihocek was a back... at least this worked
Elliott should stay forward
Adams was played down back... gave up goals all the time. He's actually a FWD pocket / mid
Mayne switched from forward to back... worked for a while, now just slows us
Greenwood played down back... slow, exposed
Varcoe was played down back... gave up goals, stupid call
Murphy from back, to forward, now on a wing
Tom Wilson has been moved from Fwd to backman... unsighted
Tohil a forward, now wing...
Even Keane now talked up as a potential forward...
Seriously, play players in positions they know, can hone their skills & can lock down. Their heads must be spinning trying to keep up, in fear of becoming too 'one-dimensional'
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But then when you've decided on a position, don't everove them, ensuring that the versatility you've trained into them is a complete waste of time.
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A gun forward can lift the whole club. Especially going back prior to the year 2000. A lot of teams played above themselves when they had a gun forward, it used to straighten them up and give them confidence to keep pushing forward at all costs. losing one at a vital time always had dissaterous effects on the club that lost him. It's a bit different today with structures and game plans as clubs can adapt much better. but I would still love a gun forward and we really need one atm
So you are saying play Moore in the position he knows, that is, a Back.
I know exactly what you mean,about it being baffling that we find ourselves in this position.We really should have been drafting key position forwards back in 2014 and 2015,when Cloke’s career was clearly winding down.Waiting until 2020 seems a bit too late in the day to do something about it in my opinion.If we had recruited key forwards four or five years ago,they’d be just coming into their prime now,and we wouldn’t be in such a dire position,regarding our forward options.
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Yep Moore stays back, were l believe he actually likes playing.
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Well those same modern structures and game plans act to severely limit the amount of damage a gun full forward can do. The days of a gun full forward ripping an opposition side apart are OVER.
The best you can expect is 2 or perhaps 3 goals a game.
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In terms of Ruscoe. He was a utility. Played back. Forward. Mid. So they aren't changing him just settling him in a position.
Yeah someone like Kelly or Keane or even Mihocek.
Our problem is that we can’t score and that will possibly cost us a finals spot.
But I’m also torn because I honestly believe that Moore would be better than DeGoey if he played all season forward but I also think he’s our best defender.
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Yes mate, it's a sad but true reality, I was just remembering the good old days of the gun forwards and the profound effect they had on their club. Todays really good FF are still an asset but you're right, they don't have the same influence they used to
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Although Mihocek was a defender and turned into probably our best forward over the past few years.
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Mihocek is such a selfless workhorse on the forward line that we would be best looking elsewhere.
I still think that our forward line is probably just a good speedy crumber away from being dangerous (also assuming we move the ball quicker). Cox and Mihocek are ok and kind of complement eachother. We just have too many of the same types of medium/small forwards.
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Everything much more of a pre-packaged product for the television audience.
Can't have 100 goal forwards leaching viewers from less well favoured teams and unbalancing the income stream . . rollseyes.gif
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Seriously? Coaches shutting down space in the forward line is an AFL conspiracy to make money?
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Seriously are you serious?
I'm saying I like him back, but if Moore forward (& ruck) with Kelly back is better than the opposite, its worth considering. Not convinced Kelly is a forward.
Dont think its going to happen, so we'll have to wait for McMahon to come on, or land a gun forward type (Logan looks v special)
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Interestingly McMahon appears to be the kind of player we’ve been screaming at Hine to take for years; a speculative athletic-enough, tall-enough genuine KP prospect. Already the jungle drums are sounding very positive on him.
Ironically he was a “needs” pick and we didn’t actually rate him best available, but if we’d done that a bit more often over the past 5-10 years, we might not have had to play Goldsack on JJK in 2018.
Ironically he was a “needs” pick and we didn’t actually rate him best available, but if we’d done that a bit more often over the past 5-10 years, we might not have had to play Goldsack on JJK in 2018.
