Libba time to shyte your pants.

[Whacker]

Facts are 1) Why not tank? The current system allows for it. If the AFL wants to stop talks of tanking then rid us of the priority pick
2) any other club in your position would do the exact same thing. Whats the point of trying to play off for 10th or 11th when you can lose and pick up Kreuzer and judd send injured players off to surgery for an early start for the next season and give the younger brigade some very valuable match practice. The other question is where do you cross the line between tanking and preparing for next season. Are they one of the same or very different

 

[thylacine60]

Facts are 1) Why not tank? The current system allows for it. If the AFL wants to stop talks of tanking then rid us of the priority pick
2) any other club in your position would do the exact same thing. Whats the point of trying to play off for 10th or 11th when you can lose and pick up Kreuzer and judd send injured players off to surgery for an early start for the next season and give the younger brigade some very valuable match practice. The other question is where do you cross the line between tanking and preparing for next season. Are they one of the same or very different

Change your nickname. Too much sense.

 

[Donstuie]

I would bet $10,000 Carlton wont take this to court.

Why?

Why couldn't we take him to court? He went on national tv in front of
millions and publicly slandered our club, with no evidence to back it up, other than "a feeling".

Because if they took Liba to court they would have to prove he was wrong. And to do that Liba's legal council would call lots and lots of witnesses and cross examine them. Just think of the list;

Pagan
Lance Witnall
Kouta - "So you stated last year you hoped they didn't win? How many other players and officials felt the same way?"
Ratten
Swan
Fev - So were you injured when pulled off late in the game against Essendon? How did you feel about that? Uuuuuuuuu.....gulp!!!!
PRATT - So Mr Pratt, how are you today? Fixed any prices.....I mean games lately?

Just think of the circus the media will make of these cross examinations?

If you take him to court it would be a VERY bad tactical move. VERY BAD!

That's fine. We'll just call to the stand to setablish the character of the person making the claims:
David Smorgan
Wayne Campbell
Matthew Knights
Ratts and Swann (again)
Paul Kelly
Rodney Eade
Campbell Rose

Just off the top of my head

 

[Whacker]

Change your nickname. Too much sense.

Its jusr common sense really. Or dare i say it smart. It would be stupid not to do it. Why not spend a couple of years down the bottom for 7 or 8 at the top

 

[KSim]

I think the CFC responded exactely as all supporters of FOOTBALL would expect in the media conference today. People can debate the premise of tanking etc but when it comes down to the facts Brett Ratten did what he could in the situation to benefit the mighty Blues for years to come. (ie/ blood youngsters to perform at the top level sooner rather than later)

 

[Thrawn]

Cmon, tanking is alive and well in this league. No sane person can deny that carlton didn't tank the last few games last year. Hutchy came to him, why should libba have to lie to protect a former emplo

I don't equate list management or development to tanking. Tanking, to me, is throwing games on purpose.

 

[BlueBelle]

What I want to know is, why would Libba put his hand up to coach us, if he knew that we were throwing games?

Exactly!

 

[jj1978]

Seriously what is wrong... the AFL wants to equalise the comp so each team wins a premiership once every 16 years.

The best way to equalise a comp is to keep PP's and not query a lowly team from putting players out early for operations and blooding youngsters... doing all that assists in equalising the comp.

 

[Donstuie]

Demitriou and Fitzpatrick just on the radio. Basically told Libba to put up or shut up.

 

[blues4flag]

Seconded.......McChin and Hutchy have grossly manipulated the media for personal reasons. Blatant, disgraceful and an insult to our intelligence

Exactly. The quality of questions by Hutchy were clearly biased and the agenda was clear - I honestly thought it was a loop at one stage given he thrice asked how do you feel about the tanking.

What really pissed me off was the Jamison comment - saying we played him towards the end of the season but we still haven't elevated him. What the dropkick didn't mention was that Jamison is still eligble to play, and has pretty much cemented himself a spot in the defensive half.

 

[Obeanie1]

Why couldn't we take him to court? He went on national tv in front of
millions and publicly slandered our club, with no evidence to back it up, other than "a feeling".


That's fine. We'll just call to the stand to etablish the character of the person making the claims:
David Smorgan
Wayne Campbell
Matthew Knights
Ratts and Swann (again)
Paul Kelly
Rodney Eade
Campbell Rose

Just off the top of my head

Yes, and you might get some enjoyment out of this but do you really want all this rubbish dragged out in public?

What has Carlton got to gain by throwing more fuel on the fire?

Liba is a small man with an axe to grind by the looks of it. I can only assume he's pissed off that he didn't get his job renewed and that because of his perception the club and players did not try to win it is a poor reflection on his coaching performance.

Unless some secrett recording of a Carlton official comes up or several ex players swear under oath proving tanking was planned then nothing can ever be proved IMO.

Going to court is a no win situation.....except for the media and selling papers.

 

[dean33]

I don't equate list management or development to tanking. Tanking, to me, is throwing games on purpose.

no, throwing games on purpose is match fixing, tanking is when the players are not involved which im sure they were'nt but the club is happy to lose games in order to reap the rewards. eg, playing players out of position, not making moves to benefit the team, playing young players that don't deserve to play, putting players out to pasture when not really necessary, not giving players farewell games(lappin anyone?) that is tanking. What other coach takes over a side for 7-8 games wins none of them and then gets appointed unanimously??

 

[Thrawn]

no, throwing games on purpose is match fixing, tanking is when the players are not involved which im sure they were'nt but the club is happy to lose games in order to reap the rewards. eg, playing players out of position, not making moves to benefit the team, playing young players that don't deserve to play, putting players out to pasture when not really necessary, not giving players farewell games(lappin anyone?) that is tanking. What other coach takes over a side for 7-8 games wins none of them and then gets appointed unanimously??

Oh FFS.

These were already refuted on this thread.

 

[Silvagnis]

no, throwing games on purpose is match fixing, tanking is when the players are not involved which im sure they were'nt but the club is happy to lose games in order to reap the rewards. eg, playing players out of position, not making moves to benefit the team, playing young players that don't deserve to play, putting players out to pasture when not really necessary, not giving players farewell games(lappin anyone?) that is tanking. What other coach takes over a side for 7-8 games wins none of them and then gets appointed unanimously??

Why did we pick Walker and Whitnall if we were tanking?

Both weren't 100% fit at the time.

We'd have picked Ross Young if we wanted to lose.

Ratten was appointed because his team hit the front against Port Adelaide, reduced the losing margin to 39 points and coached well against Collingwood and St Kilda. I doubt any another coach would have performed better and turned around the ingrained game plan of Denis Pagan in just six weeks

How does the coach of the wooden spooner survive when he said they were better off losing than winning?

You were leading against St Kilda before Wallace sat Foley on the bench and then lost the game.

 

[Donstuie]

Yes, and you might get some enjoyment out of this but do you really want all this rubbish dragged out in public?

What has Carlton got to gain by throwing more fuel on the fire?

Liba is a small man with an axe to grind by the looks of it. I can only assume he's pissed off that he didn't get his job renewed and that because of his perception the club and players did not try to win it is a poor reflection on his coaching performance.

Unless some secrett recording of a Carlton official comes up or several ex players swear under oath proving tanking was planned then nothing can ever be proved IMO.

Going to court is a no win situation.....except for the media and selling papers.

It's the view of quite a few Carlton people (myself included) that we've allowed this shit that's always written and said about our club go on for too long with barely a yelp (not to menion our players allowing themselves to be used as punching bags on the field). Today's press conference was a step in the right direction. Whether it's legal action or something else, it's high time the club came out swinging at those who feel they can slander the club without any basis in fact or fear of consequences (journos, administrators, coaches etc), and show the football public we won't be pushed around or ****ed with anymore.

Not everyone shares this view however.

 

[len_jet]

no, throwing games on purpose is match fixing, tanking is when the players are not involved which im sure they were'nt but the club is happy to lose games in order to reap the rewards. eg, playing players out of position, not making moves to benefit the team, playing young players that don't deserve to play, putting players out to pasture when not really necessary, not giving players farewell games(lappin anyone?) that is tanking. What other coach takes over a side for 7-8 games wins none of them and then gets appointed unanimously??

my god you must be some sort of moro... no wait your a Richmond supporter... that explains it all! run along and play with the other little kids!

 

[dean33]

Why did we pick Walker and Whitnall if we were tanking?
picking whitnal proves you were tanking

Both weren't 100% fit at the time??
Whitnall, was he ever??

We'd have picked Ross Young if we wanted to lose.

Ratten was appointed because his team hit the front against Port Adelaide, reduced the losing margin to 39 points and coached well against Collingwood and St Kilda. I doubt any another coach would have performed better and turned around the ingrained game plan of Denis Pagan in just six weeks

How does the coach of the wooden spooner survive when he said they were better off losing than winning?

never said that, only said he felt comprimised and whatever decisions he made if game was close in last quarter would be scrutinised

You were leading against St Kilda before Wallace sat Foley on the bench and then lost the game.

why can't blue fans see what most other fans and people in the game see that you tanked? just like you rorted the cap all those years ago you rorted the draft this time and tanked.

 

[Brad Goodman]

I don't equate list management or development to tanking. Tanking, to me, is throwing games on purpose.

The priority pick was just a byproduct? It would be difficult to prove that.

 

[pansies]

I have 2 issues with this new development in the what seems to be never ending 'tanking' saga.

Firstly that the whole 'libba' scenario came about by hutchie and the footy show shopping around for a story. This concerns me most as the tanking problems that everyone else other than carlton supporters seem to complaining about have been around for years. In fact of all teams to fix the system to their benefit best would be collingwood three years ago. They were a team that dropped dramatically in one season, reaped the rewards of a priority pick and then bounced back very quickly. So my biggest concern is why now? Surely there were opportunities earlier to bring this issue up with another team. How much of an influence does or did eddie have?

Secondly, I don't think carlton should be the only group with an interest in a legal dispute against libba and the footy show. If he is making defamatory remarks towards the integrity of the game it could be argued that the afl could make some legal noise too.

 

[Ant_]

This has as much chance of making it to court as Aker for saying West Coast players may have been on EPO.

 

[Obeanie1]

This has as much chance of making it to court as Aker for saying West Coast players may have been on EPO.

Yep, your 100% spot on IMO.

Not because Braun is guilty and Acker is correct but because of where the public cross examination of Braun and any number of Eagles will lead. Braun nor the club gain anything from going over drug allegations all publically again. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal was done with the AFL - Let Acker's d!ckhead comment slide, don't go to court as its more bad publicity for the AFL and we will take that into concideration.

Its a shame because a player / club is hamstrung in that it can't look for justice for one incident (Braun being wrongly accused of taking EPO's) because several of his team mates were idiots and did the wrong thing with illicit drugs.

And so it will be with Carlton v's Libbagate. The AFL will agree NOT to investigate Carlton if it lets this slide. Lets not open up a huge can of worms on the eve of the new season.....we all had enough off field drama last year.

Such is Life

 

[1eight6four]

Why couldn't we take him to court? He went on national tv in front of
millions and publicly slandered our club, with no evidence to back it up, other than "a feeling".


That's fine. We'll just call to the stand to setablish the character of the person making the claims:
David Smorgan
Wayne Campbell
Matthew Knights
Ratts and Swann (again)
Paul Kelly
Rodney Eade
Campbell Rose

Just off the top of my head

Good work.

 

[Ant_]

Yep, your 100% spot on IMO.

Not because Braun is guilty and Acker is correct but because of where the public cross examination of Braun and any number of Eagles will lead. Braun nor the club gain anything from going over drug allegations all publically again. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal was done with the AFL - Let Acker's d!ckhead comment slide, don't go to court as its more bad publicity for the AFL and we will take that into concideration.

Its a shame because a player / club is hamstrung in that it can't look for justice for one incident (Braun being wrongly accused of taking EPO's) because several of his team mates were idiots and did the wrong thing with illicit drugs.

And so it will be with Carlton v's Libbagate. The AFL will agree NOT to investigate Carlton if it lets this slide. Lets not open up a huge can of worms on the eve of the new season.....we all had enough off field drama last year.

Such is Life

True but I guess Paul Roos is the exception

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I thought that was one of the worst interviews I've ever seen. Libba didn't offer one piece of information to actually confirm the tanking, regardless of whether it's true or not.

 

[Donstuie]

I thought that was one of the worst interviews I've ever seen. Libba didn't offer one piece of information to actually confirm the tanking, regardless of whether it's true or not.

Yeah, but don't tell that to the people on bigfooty. It'd ruin their fun.