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craigos said:
Or end up doing a weeks worth of laboring for free. If you're not willing to flick a kid at least $50 cash for half a days work (as a "trial"), providing they're not totally stupid, as a grown adult you're taking advantage of them. No ifs or buts.
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Mate if it one of the non-dumbarse trades like an electrician or plumber even if they are trying their best for the most part someone with zero experience is usually borderline useless at the start. Your reward is getting experience and the potential opportunity of actually getting a job if you show some aptitude.

One of my friends years ago had a sook about getting nothing bar a can of coke for a couple of weeks work experience when he was at TAFE at a large plumbing company (at his previous placement the guy gave him a few bucks, which is fairly unusual). Then a couple of months later they rang him back and offered him an apprenticeship, at one of the largest construction mobs in WA that only does union jobs with all the great benefits of pay and bonuses that come with it. It's funny looking back because he was very, very fortunate to get in there.
 
Kram said:
Mate if it one of the non-dumbarse trades like an electrician or plumber even if they are trying their best for the most part someone with zero experience is usually borderline useless at the start. Your reward is getting experience and the potential opportunity of actually getting a job if you show some aptitude.
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Herein lies the issue. A growing percentage of business now use this as a hook but it has now become so widespread that a company may have a couple of dozen people doing "work experience" for two weeks each and are basically saving themselves from paying a full time wage. This has become so widespread that now kids aren't keen on doing it and I can't blame them for that.

Go back a decade or two and if someone is getting you in for a few weeks of work experience and you put your head down there was a fair chance you'd walk away with a job. That is not the case currently.
 
Scotland said:
'It's so hard to find work these days' - person with degree in gender studies who won't travel more than 5 minutes from home.

Pretty much anyone not born in the 80s sucks.
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I think the issue is a lot of these people apply for shitty full time jobs that don’t even require a degree but get knocked back.
 

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There's also simply less full time jerbs around since 80s reforms and 4 Liberal Prime Ministers after deliberately making conditions and security worse.
 
craigos said:
Herein lies the issue. A growing percentage of business now use this as a hook but it has now become so widespread that a company may have a couple of dozen people doing "work experience" for two weeks each and are basically saving themselves from paying a full time wage
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It might be worth doing in stuff that has a lot of shit kicking involved which should be clamped down on, but to do in any skilled trade it would basically be mostly a waste of time. You would be better off just keeping someone that had started to show some usefulness on and pay them rather than continuity bringing in noobs that know absolutely nothing. Apprentices wages are cheap anyway and a good one is valuable for any company.
 
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Bomberboyokay said:
There's also simply less full time jerbs around since 80s reforms and 4 Liberal Prime Ministers after deliberately making conditions and security worse.
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I knew it was damn Liberal voters like Scotland that are at fault!
 
MEB_ said:
I work in hospitality and have since I was 17. It gives me the shits that people turn their noses up at the industry because there's a lot of opportunities for people who aren't academically minded but want to work in supervisory, management or support department roles. I worked for one company from the age of 17 and started as a part time waitress. When I left 7 years later I was a restaurant manager who wanted to get into HR, so I moved to a luxury hotel group as an HR Coordinator. They used to laugh at the business I'd come from, but once I had 4 years of HR experience under my belt, I went back to that original company. I more than doubled my salary and now I'm an executive manager.
I have no tertiary education. Just experience.
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Do you work in the restaurant? With customers?

Remember a Whirlpool thread where someone was saying retail is actually really awesome and they don't understand the negativity. Turned out they were working in an office at HQ. That's not "retail", that's working in an office.
 

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Bomberboyokay said:
Yeah you and him are. But it was worth it so gay kids didn't have Safe Schools.
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Mate I haven't ticked a Liberal box for many years, I've told you this before. I'll be voting Labor in the lower house and haven't made my mind up about the senate yet, my offer of taking a photo of the ballot slips and another of me handing them in still stands :)
 
revo333 said:
I listen to a fair bit of talk back radio and frequently older guys ring in saying they have these jobs on offer but young people don't want to to work and don't have a work ethic.

I sometimes wonder if that's the problem or if these guys just aren't good people to work for and that's why people they hire are always quitting.
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Of course. These are the boomers who think it's noble to dedicate your entire life to working a job you ****ing hate and not complain about it.

Why wouldn't young people want to work? Of course they do. They just don't want to work in shitty jobs that don't challenge them with bosses who are overly stern assholes. That "your grandpa worked in a coal mine his entire life and didn't complain once about it" tale is so worn. Provide young people with a job that rewards them for their effort and you'll see their work ethic.
 
Bomberboyokay said:
Do you work in the restaurant? With customers?

Remember a Whirlpool thread where someone was saying retail is actually really awesome and they don't understand the negativity. Turned out they were working in an office at HQ. That's not "retail", that's working in an office.
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I used to, for seven years. Now I work from the restaurants but have minimal interaction with customers. If the restaurant is busy though I’m expected to get up and help out, whether that’s cooking, getting on the register, taking orders.
 
craigos said:
Is it wrong that we place a premium on "hard work"? Where people like The Rock or any other "inspirational" person is yelling at you to "go get it" and that all you need to achieve your dreams is to work your absolute backside off and it will inevitably happen?

I really feel for the next generation of kids, with all the self improvement and be the best you can messages rammed down their throat through social media how many of these kids are going to reach their late twenties and think they're an absolute failure because they work an office/warehouse/supermarket for minimum wage?

I'm sure we all know someone who is well into their life that works at the local IGA or behind the counter of the local Post Office who is always happy and cheery and just genuinely has an appearance of being content and appreciative of what they're doing?

For those who swallow the lie of low unemployment levels I hope that your children are able to get a leg up. I know so many kids coming out of University now that can't even get close to their field of expertise and are falling into despair.
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Coudn't like this enough.

Also there is a difference between working hard and working smart.
 

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craigos said:
I know that the only way I am going to be moderately wealthy whilst having the flexibility to be able to enjoy any potential wealth is to own my own business. It's as simple as that. Now getting the capital to establish and carry a business whilst in its infancy is something that could almost certainly cost me my relationship and the potential of having a family.

What good is all the money in the world when you have no one to share it with?
Well, it's even harder to share something that you don't have.
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Absolutely. Same here.

But why should that cost you a relationship??????
 
Scotland said:
Working hard is a crock. Mark Hutchings works hard and probably makes $200k. Great money for a regular Joe but his highest paid teammate makes $900k.
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For the vast majority of workers, hard work doesn't yield any meaningful benefits. Hard work may mean you get a promotion a year down the line, but it's not a guarantee of anything.

Unless you're really passionate about your job, most people don't really have any incentive to work harder. It's like the old Office Space quote: most people "work just hard enough to not get fired".
 
Jobe Watson said:
Of course. These are the boomers who think it's noble to dedicate your entire life to working a job you ****ing hate and not complain about it.

Why wouldn't young people want to work? Of course they do. They just don't want to work in shitty jobs that don't challenge them with bosses who are overly stern assholes. That "your grandpa worked in a coal mine his entire life and didn't complain once about it" tale is so worn. Provide young people with a job that rewards them for their effort and you'll see their work ethic.
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Every time it seems to be the 'back in my day, we had to...'

The times do change and it seems a lot of older people can't accept it, but maybe that goes for every generation that gets old.

I work with a wide range of age groups and one of our best workers is a 22 year old male who has only been with us for a year, a few workers over 40 are the lease productive and the first ones to slack off when they get the chance.
 

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