List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[spenze]

You don't give up players to trade in uncontacted players

Unless it's Murphy

 

[Scorpus]

Unless it's Murphy

Yeah I thought for a second no team would agree to that, then I remembered Carlton managed to sneak Owies into the West Coast pick 3 deal

 

[Velvet George]

Yeah I thought for a second no team would agree to that, then I remembered Carlton managed to sneak Owies into the West Coast pick 3 deal

Dean Gore

 

[Scorpus]

Dean Gore

He's a better player than Murphy or Owies though

 

[rubbers0ul]

What’s the go with Henry Smith, SA forward/ruck at Brisbane? Barely played much as he’s developed in the reserves but also always had Hipwood/Danniher/Morris and McInerney/Fort ahead of him.

Spent all of this year out with a foot injury and concussion, but is finally back and hit the ground running from where he last left off.

Anyone more in the know think he’s any good? Can he be a full time ruck? His VFL numbers are also very, very good, especially with his around the ground work.
With Tex near the end and Welsh an unknown, he’s the perfect age at 22 to inject straight our squad after Brisbane have spent Thea’s 4 years developing him nicely.

With Fort getting on and question marks whether McInernery’s body can go any longer, I think now is the best time to strike and prise him out before he works his way into the 22 and his value goes up.

Was monstered by Ned moyle yesterday - hard pass

 

[Soggy2112]

I don't know what the right answer is, but tying a players value to where a team finishes on the ladder just doesn't seem fair

I don't believe for a minute that the intent of free agency was to provide another avenue for equalisation

I always thought it was introduced primarily to promote a valid pathway for player movement

It’s not why they brought it in, but it absolutely can work as an equalisation measure.

Ultimately, the number one reason players move clubs is money. The salary cap ensures that the bottom teams have more to spend (mostly).

Increased player movements, allows bottom clubs, as long as they have their shit together, to get off the bottom.

 

[PeterSalt]

It’s not why they brought it in, but it absolutely can work as an equalisation measure.

Ultimately, the number one reason players move clubs is money. The salary cap ensures that the bottom teams have more to spend (mostly).

Increased player movements, allows bottom clubs, as long as they have their shit together, to get off the bottom.

I agree with that

The problem we have is that the AFL stopped the PP based on ladder finishes some time in the naughties, and then decided to manufacture FA compensation on spuds to give cellar dwellers a leg-up

And over time the clubs have been manipulating contracts, seemingly colluding, to game the system to suit their desired outcomes

 

[Soggy2112]

I agree with that

The problem we have is that the AFL stopped the PP based on ladder finishes some time in the naughties, and then decided to manufacture FA compensation on spuds to give cellar dwellers a leg-up

And over time the clubs have been manipulating contracts, seemingly colluding, to game the system to suit their desired outcomes

The priority pick system is not really the answer either.

For a club to get off the bottom, they need to get their recruiting department, their coaching group, their fitness staff, everything right first. Throwing an extra high draft pick at a club will do nothing if they haven’t sorted that out.

If the AFL is really concerned with a certain club, they’d be far better off giving a bunch of money for the club to attract high quality people off field as that’s what will actually benefit them.

 

[steve9798]

I hope we don't and wish 3 firsts gets it done.

Where are we getting 3 1sts?

 

[FR0GGY]

Where are we getting 3 1sts?

25,26,27 1sts?

 

[steve9798]

25,26,27 1sts?

I thought we could only trade our 25 and 26 1sts.

 

[FR0GGY]

I thought we could only trade our 25 and 26 1sts.

2 years into the future I thought

 

[hippyhippy]

Not according to Ronny Lerner - Ive seen some of his other takes and I hold this in the same level

That's a stupid take imho ... you can't be coach of the year winning 5 games... just because you have a shit list... for coach of the year you'll need at least double that with the same sh1t list. Coty should be coaches that made significant contributions to their clubs success.

 

[Mutineer]

Was monstered by Ned moyle yesterday - hard pass

Ned Moyle is easily the best ruckman not playing regular AFL... he's just biding his time with Witts nearing the end.

I'd much sooner have Smith on our list than Draper at this point looking to the future.

Smith is a Forward/Ruck at this time and is very capable played as a KPF, also worth remembering head only resumed the last couple of weeks from foot issues so likely not up to fill speed currently.

 

[rubbers0ul]

Ned Moyle is easily the best ruckman not playing regular AFL... he's just biding his time with Witts nearing the end.

I'd much sooner have Smith on our list than Draper at this point looking to the future.

Smith is a Forward/Ruck at this time and is very capable played as a KPF, also worth remembering head only resumed the last couple of weeks from foot issues so likely not up to fill speed currently.

So arguably the 19th best ruckman in Australia.....yet we picked Parnell over Moyle (and Peatling....)

 

[Mostyn]

So arguably the 19th best ruckman in Australia.....yet we picked Parnell over Moyle (and Peatling....)

Running small defender was a need at the time, as was more outside run. You need five to six small defenders and wingmen in your team, and maybe a dozen on your list.

You can only play one or MAYBE two ruckmen at any time.

We should have drafted Moyle, but it's not a miss that has meant much.

 

[conVINCEd]

With us playing both Charlie Edwards and Oscar Ryan off halfback, I’m disappointed we didn’t pull the trigger on Ashton Moir in the draft.

He’d be perfect as the Tex replacement as a more mobile third tall forward.

 

[Velvet George]

Running small defender was a need at the time, as was more outside run. You need five to six small defenders and wingmen in your team, and maybe a dozen on your list.

You can only play one or MAYBE two ruckmen at any time.

We should have drafted Moyle, but it's not a miss that has meant much.

The mental gymnastics you’ll come up with to defend a poor decision knows no bounds.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

With us playing both Charlie Edwards and Oscar Ryan off halfback, I’m disappointed we didn’t pull the trigger on Ashton Moir in the draft.

He’d be perfect as the Tex replacement as a more mobile third tall forward.

Has he re-signed yet?

Might be gettable if not

 

[Mostyn]

Running small defender was a need at the time, as was more outside run. You need five to six small defenders and wingmen in your team, and maybe a dozen on your list.

You can only play one or MAYBE two ruckmen at any time.

We should have drafted Moyle, but it's not a miss that has meant much.

What are you laughing for, George?

I would think the evidence that you've been wrong about so many things would have made you humble, and maybe more willing to consider other points of view?

 

[Scorpus]

Running small defender was a need at the time, as was more outside run. You need five to six small defenders and wingmen in your team, and maybe a dozen on your list.

You can only play one or MAYBE two ruckmen at any time.

We should have drafted Moyle, but it's not a miss that has meant much.

Couldn't disagree more. Not drafting Moyle was a massive sliding doors moment, the flow on effect is we've now re-signed O'Brien for 3 years because we had no one else ready for his spot, meanwhile Parnell is delisted because he's a categorically worse player

Of course we wouldn't be playing O'Brien and Moyle at the same time, we'd be playing Moyle instead of O'Brien because he'd be a genuine developing first ruck instead of the journeyman backup we usually have on the list

 

[Velvet George]

What are you laughing for, George?

I would think the evidence that you've been wrong about so many things would have made you humble, and maybe more willing to consider other points of view?

I’ve been wrong about so many things? Please share.

At least I have my own opinions and don’t post like a 12 year old fanboi and bend my opinions to follow the club blindly.

And why I laughed in this example is Parnell had the body of a child and we needed a developing ruck on our list, remember you said it was really easy to get one? How did that turn out.

As for list, easy, Strachan out Moyle in.

 

[jo172]

Re-litigating mid season draft selections is only slightly more interesting than re-litigating Ayce Taylor.

 

[Mutineer]

So arguably the 19th best ruckman in Australia.....yet we picked Parnell over Moyle (and Peatling....)

Yeah drafting is such an exact science, the number 1 rated ruck outside of the AFL at the time was Jacob Edwards who went at pick 1. How is he going?

Wasn't Keiran Strachan dominating SANFL at the time only to be found out several years later as not quite up to the next level.

 

[Velvet George]

Yeah drafting is such an exact science, the number 1 rated ruck outside of the AFL at the time was Jacob Edwards who went at pick 1. How is he going?

Wasn't Keiran Strachan dominating SANFL at the time only to be found out several years later as not quite up to the next level.

Haven’t you for years been going on about us having a developing ruck on the list? Why are you throwing up excuses now?