List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Crow till I die]

So you can see into the future?

We all know what contracts mean in the AFL of recent times if a player really wants to head home....not much at all.

Sure the clubs need to pay up if they want them via draft collateral but that means you're back to square re development with no guarantee the player you gain will be as good as the player you lose.

Tex at best has one more season you'd think, you have guys like jones and sholl who can be let go and replaced at the base end with draftees. We'd make Baileys contract work and what he woukd do is very much further raise the level.of our side, can play midfield and forward rotating with Rachele and Rankine.

If we can get him..my view is we get him and do it so Brisbane won't match. Then use our 1st to draft another 1st round player to keep our young talent pool building

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I’d rather spend 1.7 million on a new midfield coach

So long as they were a gun coach!

 

[119others]

Did I hear that right? So Ben Dixon

Ben Dixon

Age

48

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.8

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.4

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.4

5star

just said Roughy has OCD on 5AA? Taking exactly '11' (iirc) shots for goal at practise and not deviating. Rare to hear this stuff made public isnt it?

Wonder if this is an advantage or not? I know little about such things besides having an ex gf who was a bit of a bunny boiler with adhd (probably not related). But Roughy for this role needs high level of communication, and EQ is critical i would think (again certainly no specialist besides accessing AI just now)

That said, he has got Barrass, Battle and Merrett (unsucessfully) to agree to join Horks when he was responsible


People with OCD often face significant communication limitations, primarily driven by high anxiety, intrusive thoughts, shame, and perfectionism. Symptoms can cause individuals to withdraw, struggle with articulating thoughts during conversation, or become consumed by internal worry, making it difficult to engage in social interactions or maintain deep relationships.


People with OCD (Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder) can make highly effective managers, but their success often depends on how they manage their symptoms and the support they receive in the workplace. While the disorder can cause significant challenges, it can also foster skills like extreme attention to detail, strong organizational abilities, and a high sense of responsibility.

In summary, a person with OCD can be a great leader, especially if they leverage their attention to detail while actively managing the anxieties that come with the disorder.

Here is a breakdown of how OCD affects management styles:

Potential Strengths (The "Superpowers")

• Meticulous Attention to Detail: Managers with OCD are often exceptional at catching errors, ensuring accuracy, and maintaining high quality standards.
• Strong Organization and Planning: Their need for order can translate into highly structured teams, well-documented processes, and effective project management.
• High Dedication and Drive: A strong desire to "get it right" can lead to a powerful work ethic, ensuring projects are completed thoroughly and to a high standard.
• Empathy and Risk Awareness: Often, people with OCD are highly empathetic to others managing problems and are skilled at identifying potential risks and planning for contingencies.
  The CEO Magazine +4

Potential Challenges (The "Risks")

• Perfectionism and Bottlenecks: A tendency toward perfectionism can make it difficult to delegate tasks or make decisions quickly, slowing down team progress.
• Micromanagement: Overactive fears about errors can lead to micromanaging team members.
• Anxiety and Burnout: Managing intense, intrusive thoughts while facing the high-stress nature of management can cause severe anxiety and emotional exhaustion.
• Difficulty with Flexibility: A need for structure may make adapting to last-minute changes or navigating ambiguous situations difficult.
  Reddit +6

Factors for Success

• Management Level: The impact varies; it can be a "superpower" in roles requiring high precision (quality assurance, auditing) but challenging in fast-paced, high-uncertainty roles.
• Treatment and Self-Awareness: Managers who are actively managing their OCD through therapy (like CBT) or medication are often more successful.
• Supportive Culture: Workplaces that reduce stigma and offer reasonable accommodations (e.g., flexible hours) allow these individuals to thrive.
  apm.net.au +4

 

[Scorpus]

can i assume you rate bailey higher than rankine?

not sure too many decision makers in the industry would agree with that

I think it's pretty close. Bailey's performances in big games gets him over the line, because I don't think Rankine is a big game player

Thilthorpe
Dawson
Worrell
Rankine
Bailey ??

Thilthorpe
Dawson
Bailey
Rankine
Rachele

 

[jackster83]

i can handle 5th or 6th but no way is bailey better than rankine. and thats seeing him 30-40 times in the last handful of years

Nah, I'm taking Bailey.

Has achieved a lot more in his career and stood up on the big stage (one of the best in last year's GF).

Rankine hasn't lived up to the hype.

 

[El Doederino]

Nah, I'm taking Bailey.

Has achieved a lot more in his career and stood up on the big stage (one of the best in last year's GF).

Rankine hasn't lived up to the hype.

Could say the same about Ah Chee and he was a bit under whelming before his injury (granted he wasn’t fully fit)

 

[Scorpus]

Nah, I'm taking Bailey.

Has achieved a lot more in his career and stood up on the big stage (one of the best in last year's GF).

Rankine hasn't lived up to the hype.

Bailey is extremely effective as a player that gets limited midfield time

Rankine's output rose when he was added to the midfield but as we've seen this year, when he's not in stoppages, his influence falls away and he becomes a forward line receiver that can fall out of the game

Don't get me wrong, he's a very good forward, but he doesn't hunt the ball from outside the midfield in the way Bailey does

 

[jackster83]

Bailey is extremely effective as a player that gets limited midfield time

Rankine's output rose when he was added to the midfield but as we've seen this year, when he's not in stoppages, his influence falls away and he becomes a forward line receiver that can fall out of the game

Don't get me wrong, he's a very good forward, but he doesn't hunt the ball from outside the midfield in the way Bailey does

Rachele is a better comparison to Bailey. Fairly similar players IMO.

 

[GreyCrow]

Did I hear that right? So Ben Dixon just said Roughy has OCD on 5AA? Taking exactly '11' (iirc) shots for goal at practise and not deviating. Rare to hear this stuff made public isnt it?

Wonder if this is an advantage or not? I know little about such things besides having an ex gf who was a bit of a bunny boiler with adhd (probably not related). But Roughy for this role needs high level of communication, and EQ is critical i would think (again certainly no specialist besides accessing AI just now)

That said, he has got Barrass, Battle and Merrett (unsucessfully) to agree to join Horks when he was responsible


People with OCD often face significant communication limitations, primarily driven by high anxiety, intrusive thoughts, shame, and perfectionism. Symptoms can cause individuals to withdraw, struggle with articulating thoughts during conversation, or become consumed by internal worry, making it difficult to engage in social interactions or maintain deep relationships.


People with OCD (Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder) can make highly effective managers, but their success often depends on how they manage their symptoms and the support they receive in the workplace. While the disorder can cause significant challenges, it can also foster skills like extreme attention to detail, strong organizational abilities, and a high sense of responsibility.

In summary, a person with OCD can be a great leader, especially if they leverage their attention to detail while actively managing the anxieties that come with the disorder.

Here is a breakdown of how OCD affects management styles:

Potential Strengths (The "Superpowers")

• Meticulous Attention to Detail: Managers with OCD are often exceptional at catching errors, ensuring accuracy, and maintaining high quality standards.
• Strong Organization and Planning: Their need for order can translate into highly structured teams, well-documented processes, and effective project management.
• High Dedication and Drive: A strong desire to "get it right" can lead to a powerful work ethic, ensuring projects are completed thoroughly and to a high standard.
• Empathy and Risk Awareness: Often, people with OCD are highly empathetic to others managing problems and are skilled at identifying potential risks and planning for contingencies.
  The CEO Magazine +4

Potential Challenges (The "Risks")

• Perfectionism and Bottlenecks: A tendency toward perfectionism can make it difficult to delegate tasks or make decisions quickly, slowing down team progress.
• Micromanagement: Overactive fears about errors can lead to micromanaging team members.
• Anxiety and Burnout: Managing intense, intrusive thoughts while facing the high-stress nature of management can cause severe anxiety and emotional exhaustion.
• Difficulty with Flexibility: A need for structure may make adapting to last-minute changes or navigating ambiguous situations difficult.
  Reddit +6

Factors for Success

• Management Level: The impact varies; it can be a "superpower" in roles requiring high precision (quality assurance, auditing) but challenging in fast-paced, high-uncertainty roles.
• Treatment and Self-Awareness: Managers who are actively managing their OCD through therapy (like CBT) or medication are often more successful.
• Supportive Culture: Workplaces that reduce stigma and offer reasonable accommodations (e.g., flexible hours) allow these individuals to thrive.
  apm.net.au +4

tl;dr I think you mean autism

While ocd can accompany autism it can also stand alone as a habit formed

 

[119others]

Nah, I'm taking Bailey.

Has achieved a lot more in his career and stood up on the big stage (one of the best in last year's GF).

Rankine hasn't lived up to the hype.

ok fair enough, appreciate the thoughts. so you reckon most in the industry if you could call out one name to appear in the GF bailey over rankine would likely be it? he certainly was close to norm smith last year (bad kicking for goal ultimately cost him)

i personally take rankine as his best is unbeatable but agreed he needs to find more consistency

 

[ABAB]

Nah, I'm taking Bailey.

Has achieved a lot more in his career and stood up on the big stage (one of the best in last year's GF).

Rankine hasn't lived up to the hype.

This year yes, he is off to a slow start after doing a hammy and miss all the preseason games. Rankine missed out on AA in 2024 because he didn't play enough games (only a few short) so didn't even make the AA squad and arguably missed out on AA last year after getting suspended but he did make the AA squad.

Very comparable to Bailey who made AA.

 

[Cromulant]

Bailey is extremely effective as a player that gets limited midfield time

Rankine's output rose when he was added to the midfield but as we've seen this year, when he's not in stoppages, his influence falls away and he becomes a forward line receiver that can fall out of the game

Don't get me wrong, he's a very good forward, but he doesn't hunt the ball from outside the midfield in the way Bailey does

I do agree, but it remains to be seen what he does in a midfield not surrounded by stars.

We know what Dawson does, we're seeing what Rachele can do, and Rankine to a lesser extent.

Im confident he makes us a much tougher proposition in the midfield but we might not see the best of him straight away

 

[Scorpus]

I do agree, but it remains to be seen what he does in a midfield not surrounded by stars.

We know what Dawson does, we're seeing what Rachele can do, and Rankine to a lesser extent.

Im confident he makes us a much tougher proposition in the midfield but we might not see the best of him straight away

Regardless of whether he's specifically third best or just top 5, he would definitely be in our top players

In fact I'd say he'd be the biggest star we've brought to the club based on output at the time they are recruited, maybe since Jarman. Dawson and Rankine weren't anywhere near the level of Bailey when we got them

 

[Cromulant]

Regardless of whether he's specifically third best or just top 5, he would definitely be in our top players

In fact I'd say he'd be the biggest star we've brought to the club based on output at the time they are recruited, maybe since Jarman. Dawson and Rankine weren't anywhere near the level of Bailey when we got them

Betts ?? Perhaps a couple of down years prior to him coming

 

[Mutineer]

Nah, I'm taking Bailey.

Has achieved a lot more in his career and stood up on the big stage (one of the best in last year's GF).

Rankine hasn't lived up to the hype.

I'm not.

Rankine at his best is an absolute game-changer

 

[Soggy2112]

Did I hear that right? So Ben Dixon just said Roughy has OCD on 5AA? Taking exactly '11' (iirc) shots for goal at practise and not deviating. Rare to hear this stuff made public isnt it?

Wonder if this is an advantage or not? I know little about such things besides having an ex gf who was a bit of a bunny boiler with adhd (probably not related). But Roughy for this role needs high level of communication, and EQ is critical i would think (again certainly no specialist besides accessing AI just now)

That said, he has got Barrass, Battle and Merrett (unsucessfully) to agree to join Horks when he was responsible


People with OCD often face significant communication limitations, primarily driven by high anxiety, intrusive thoughts, shame, and perfectionism. Symptoms can cause individuals to withdraw, struggle with articulating thoughts during conversation, or become consumed by internal worry, making it difficult to engage in social interactions or maintain deep relationships.


People with OCD (Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder) can make highly effective managers, but their success often depends on how they manage their symptoms and the support they receive in the workplace. While the disorder can cause significant challenges, it can also foster skills like extreme attention to detail, strong organizational abilities, and a high sense of responsibility.

In summary, a person with OCD can be a great leader, especially if they leverage their attention to detail while actively managing the anxieties that come with the disorder.

Here is a breakdown of how OCD affects management styles:

Potential Strengths (The "Superpowers")

• Meticulous Attention to Detail: Managers with OCD are often exceptional at catching errors, ensuring accuracy, and maintaining high quality standards.
• Strong Organization and Planning: Their need for order can translate into highly structured teams, well-documented processes, and effective project management.
• High Dedication and Drive: A strong desire to "get it right" can lead to a powerful work ethic, ensuring projects are completed thoroughly and to a high standard.
• Empathy and Risk Awareness: Often, people with OCD are highly empathetic to others managing problems and are skilled at identifying potential risks and planning for contingencies.
  The CEO Magazine +4

Potential Challenges (The "Risks")

• Perfectionism and Bottlenecks: A tendency toward perfectionism can make it difficult to delegate tasks or make decisions quickly, slowing down team progress.
• Micromanagement: Overactive fears about errors can lead to micromanaging team members.
• Anxiety and Burnout: Managing intense, intrusive thoughts while facing the high-stress nature of management can cause severe anxiety and emotional exhaustion.
• Difficulty with Flexibility: A need for structure may make adapting to last-minute changes or navigating ambiguous situations difficult.
  Reddit +6

Factors for Success

• Management Level: The impact varies; it can be a "superpower" in roles requiring high precision (quality assurance, auditing) but challenging in fast-paced, high-uncertainty roles.
• Treatment and Self-Awareness: Managers who are actively managing their OCD through therapy (like CBT) or medication are often more successful.
• Supportive Culture: Workplaces that reduce stigma and offer reasonable accommodations (e.g., flexible hours) allow these individuals to thrive.
  apm.net.au +4

Does he actually have OCD? Or is Dixon just saying he’s organised.

 

[119others]

I think it's pretty close. Bailey's performances in big games gets him over the line, because I don't think Rankine is a big game player



Thilthorpe
Dawson
Bailey
Rankine
Rachele

i actually went back and researched the last few years of lions in finals. and you are right re baileys performances. harsh though to comment on rankine as he hasnt been exposed as yet to big finals games but they will come over the next few years. i had always thought he was made for finals but time will tell.

bailey made the lions best players in 3 of their finals last year (named 2, 4 and 6th best), and 5 times across their 10 finals in 2022-2024. these lions best players included being named 4th best in 2025 GF and 5th best in 2023 GF

the above is better than i had perceived/recalled. so you are right he has definitely performed well in big games over the journey. and that definitely is worth a lot.

if lions have indeed offered around 1m per year (1-2 less years though), and with the reasonable chance they may increase this slightly (perhaps say another 100-150k ish), perhaps 1.4m and a longer contract is needed to provide the sufficient incentive gap to move away from a successful environment.

having bailey, rankine and rachele moving thru the midfield and forward line is a scintillating prospect

 

[119others]

Does he actually have OCD? Or is Dixon just saying he’s organised.

https://fiveaa.com.au/podcast/the-fiveaa-sports-show/5da2083d-2fc1-4593-8253-02c04195d398/2026-04-20/interview-ben-dixon-20-april-2026

9 mins 30 seconds. perhaps it was a throwaway line but definitely said he has OCD

 

[Soggy2112]

https://fiveaa.com.au/podcast/the-fiveaa-sports-show/5da2083d-2fc1-4593-8253-02c04195d398/2026-04-20/interview-ben-dixon-20-april-2026

9 mins 30 seconds. perhaps it was a throwaway line but definitely said he has OCD

People say all the time that someone is OCD when they actually just mean that person is organised, I wouldn’t read too much into that.

 

[119others]

I think it's pretty close. Bailey's performances in big games gets him over the line, because I don't think Rankine is a big game player



Thilthorpe
Dawson
Bailey
Rankine
Rachele

last thing on bailey. he was actually named in the herald suns top 50 players earlier this year (I had commented previously he wasnt - clearly memory loss from excess alcohol consumption..)

named 28 this year in march. other players around that mark (30 to 20) are : dunkley, young, curnow, bailey smith, rozee, blakey, sam taylor, hogan, rankine (21) and chad warner. other crows players dawson (19) and tt (11). so he is in good company on this list and perhaps my eyes have deceived me and he is actually more elite than i initially gave him credit for

 

[Slim258]

last thing on bailey. he was actually named in the herald suns top 50 players earlier this year (I had commented previously he wasnt - clearly memory loss from excess alcohol consumption..)

named 28 this year in march. other players around that mark (30 to 20) are : dunkley, young, curnow, bailey smith, rozee, blakey, sam taylor, hogan, rankine (21) and chad warner. other crows players dawson (19) and tt (11). so he is in good company on this list and perhaps my eyes have deceived me and he is actually more elite than i initially gave him credit for

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He is similar to Dawson in the fact that he is very good in a very good team, however given the spotlight and a more prominent role, he will thrive and explode

 

[119others]

He is similar to Dawson in the fact that he is very good in a very good team, however given the spotlight and a more prominent role, he will thrive and explode

(warning for GreyCrow - TLDR candidate here haha. But its Happy Tuesday here)

lets hope so. i have always thought you need 7-8, or close to, elite players to really challenge & my arbitrary measure is make AA team, or squad even is OK, numerous times in your career. OR be regularly voted a top 5% type player in the league (top 40-50 player). ideally one or 2 absolute 'pointy end' elite players (tt and rankine for us i have hoped)

In summary & assumptions made, our future ELITE players. 7 or 8 at this stage - now lets also add NWM

Thilthorpe
Dawson
Rankine
Bailey - yes, i am counting our chickens as we are currently strong faves. lions have limited capacity to up offer

Rachele
Worrell

Curtin and/or Draper


Details

IF we get Bailey, we already will have the following in this category using the Herald Sun list as a guide (many of our younger players not yet experienced enough to have made AA squad multiple times)

Thilthorpe
Dawson
Rankine
Bailey

'just missed out'
Rachele was named in this category in the Herald Sun article & coming with a rush in 2026. Likely top 50 this yr

As was Battle who pipped Worrell for AA team last year. Worrell any day of the week imo and is almost 3 years younger

Our great white hopes:

• Curtin
• Draper - was seen as around the mark as a potential #1 draft pick for much of 2023 and even his draft year of 2024 (ESPN in the week before he was drafted still had him at 2)

Both VERY highly rated youngsters and Curtin has shown enough special traits for many to feel he is likely to be one of our best players in time.

SO, in summary & with assumptions made, our future ELITE players. 7 or 8 at this stage is the dream...and for the cherry on top....lets add NWM to ensure my priapism isnt fixed any time soon

Thilthorpe
Dawson
Rankine
Bailey

Rachele
Worrell

Curtin and/or Draper


= FLAGS if all above are elite and retained, boosted by our good depth and heaps of at least B Graders as support cast Keane, Milera, Ah Chee, Cook, Soligo, ANB, Max, Peatling and new draftees/Marsh

 

[Slim258]

At this point of the season, I'd be delisting the following: Ryan, Dowling, Jones, Sholl, Welsh.
Dowling unlucky, bloke can't do much more but the writing has to be on the wall if he hasn't been given a chance by now, I imagine he will fall into the list cloggers at Port.

Not that I want to, but I'm buying into the rumours of Berry and trading him to Collingwood for draft capital and I think we lose Butts if he is pushed out once Keane is back (but right now, I have Butts ahead of Murray). If Butts holds, I reckon he stays.

That's 7 changes - I don't recall any offseason in the past when we have made that many, so I am probably in fairy land.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

At this point of the season, I'd be delisting the following: Ryan, Dowling, Jones, Sholl, Welsh.
Dowling unlucky, bloke can't do much more but the writing has to be on the wall if he hasn't been given a chance by now, I imagine he will fall into the list cloggers at Port.

Not that I want to, but I'm buying into the rumours of Berry and trading him to Collingwood for draft capital and I think we lose Butts if he is pushed out once Keane is back (but right now, I have Butts ahead of Murray). If Butts holds, I reckon he stays.

That's 7 changes - I don't recall any offseason in the past when we have made that many, so I am probably in fairy land.

Ryan hasn't been given a chance and as a late first round pick need to see what he has at some point, I would give him 1 year

I have it:

Dowling - trade

Jones - delist

Sholl - trade / delist

Welsh - keep on rookie list

Walker - retire

Butts - FA departs


Would shop ROB around too

 

[TBM]

Any intel on NGA or FS picks over this year or next which may influence our plans for draft capital?