List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[GreyCrow]

We aee not in rebuilding stage & would destroy our list as we wouldn't have the quality picks to bring in decent players.

Basically a crazy strategy to turnover 25% of out list in 1 year.

I dont mind the thinking behind it and its good to get another perspective

I may not cull 11/12 but I could lose 6/7 without blinking as well

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I dont mind the thinking behind it and its good to get another perspective

I may not cull 11/12 but I could lose 6/7 without blinking as well

Yeah, but that's around 40% less turnover what he was suggesting, which is a big difference... as it's doable.

 

[WeeBlake]

Sam Draper looks to have done his achilles tendon poor bugger definitely staying at the Bombers now you'd think.

yet another player that's delayed signing on looking like they've stuffed up.

Draper's Achilles injury confirmed, winger sent to hospital

Essendon has been left counting the cost of its two-point win over West Coast, with Sam Draper suffering an Achilles injury and Xavier Duursma sent to hospital for scans

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He’ll be right to go this time next year. I’d still consider him, especially at what’s likely now a lower price.

Also, free agent, in a compromised draft.

 

[huludicidal]

We aee not in rebuilding stage & would destroy our list as we wouldn't have the quality picks to bring in decent players.

Basically a crazy strategy to turnover 25% of out list in 1 year.

So Gold Coast and Geelong literally 6 months ago were crazy then?

 

[huludicidal]

Who cares how he performs at sanfl level, what matters is how he went at AFL level. Beleivng players need to master the sanfl is stupidity.

Believing that Luke Pedlar has played well in any of his most recent 8-10 games at AFL level is stupidity.

 

[1970crow]

I dont mind the thinking behind it and its good to get another perspective

I may not cull 11/12 but I could lose 6/7 without blinking as well

Problem is our 3rd pick is currently 51, we'll be speculating with most of our picks. But you're right, it's easy to dump 6/7. Tex (probably), Smith, Murphy, Crouch, Burgess, Strachan, ROB & Milera make 8. And that doesn't include Schoey, who looks like he'd be the first go given we delisted and rookied him.

 

[1970crow]

Believing that Luke Pedlar has played well in any of his most recent 8-10 games at AFL level is stupidity.

I didn't suggest that, he was terrible. I think he played injured, but it doesn't change the fact that he didn't deserve the games he got last year. Try arguing against points I've actually made next time.

 

[huludicidal]

I didn't suggest that, he was terrible. I think he played injured, but it doesn't change the fact that he didn't deserve the games he got last year. Try arguing against points I've actually made next time.

Oh you mean like the way you argued against “my point” that Luke Pedlar “needed to master the SANFL”, which I never said?

Pedlar is yet another first round bust, plain and simple. His only path to getting even one more game would be an injury to one of Keays or ANB, and even then, the clown show in charge would probably pick Murphy anyway.

Dowling, Edwards and Ryan are the 3 young guys outside the current team who we should be putting our energy into, because they might have a future with us.

 

[Mostyn]

So Gold Coast and Geelong literally 6 months ago were crazy then?

Gold Coast were trimming down an expanded list.

Geelong only lost four players who had ever played an AFL game for them.

 

[huludicidal]

Gold Coast were trimming down an expanded list.

Geelong only lost four players who had ever played an AFL game for them.

So basically the argument against doing what Geelong did is “we’ve tested the players that we’d be getting rid of at AFL level and they’ve proven that they aren’t up to it, whereas Geelong never tested them”.

Got it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So Gold Coast and Geelong literally 6 months ago were crazy then?

This is the list changes...

INS AND OUTS: Every club's final list changes for 2025 season

Check out every club's list changes ahead of the 2025 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

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Cats had 2 retirees, 2 experienced players & rest were no names who hadn't played a game, including plenty of rookies. They were not clearing out fringe players like you are suggesting which would impact on squad depth.

Suns had 2 retirees, 4 experienced players & rest were no names. Suns were smart to shift Luko & dump Atkins & grab Port's 1st rounder! If what you are suggesting enables a similar deal, I'm all for it... but I can't see it.

 

[1970crow]

Oh you mean like the way you argued against “my point” that Luke Pedlar “needed to master the SANFL”, which I never said?

Pedlar is yet another first round bust, plain and simple. His only path to getting even one more game would be an injury to one of Keays or ANB, and even then, the clown show in charge would probably pick Murphy anyway.

Dowling, Edwards and Ryan are the 3 young guys outside the current team who we should be putting our energy into, because they might have a future with us.

You were still using SANFL form to justify your position. If regular SANFL performances mattered, Charlie Cameron wouldn't have played a single game.

 

[1970crow]

Gold Coast were trimming down an expanded list.

Geelong only lost four players who had ever played an AFL game for them.

Why do Gold Coast have an expanded list? Thought that trimmed down 2 players per year over their first 4 years.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Why do Gold Coast have an expanded list? Thought that trimmed down 2 players per year over their first 4 years.

Not sure, but they did reduce their list by 2.

The main intent was for Hardwick to clean out players not fitting his style & bring in those who did.

 

[Mutineer]

Draft bonanza: Suns get top picks, second-rounder, Darwin zone, more

Gold Coast will get the first two picks at this year's NAB AFL Draft as part of a significant assistance package

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AFL bosses throw draft-pick lifeline to floundering Gold Coast Suns

An assistance package which includes the first two picks in the 2019 player draft will be handed to the struggling Gold Coast Suns to help the club "deliver upon their football strategy".

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[1970crow]

Not sure, but they did reduce their list by 2.

The main intent was for Hardwick to clean out players not fitting his style & bring in those who did.

Were they possibly cat Bs?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Were they possibly cat Bs?

They added 2 Cat B's this year... so don't think the reason for smaller list.

INS AND OUTS: Every club's final list changes for 2025 season

Check out every club's list changes ahead of the 2025 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

www.afl.com.au

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Would be sensible to trim down the number of "active" players on our list.

There will be a cap squeeze if we improve.

Need to have a decent portion of your non-best 22 on draftee first contract wages. If the guys out of the team are mostly Pedlar, Sholl, Butts, Jones, Berry, Cook, Schoenberg, Borlase, Dowling, Taylor, Burgess types who have had at least a taste of AFL and have moved onto second (or third) contracts then you run out of cap space at the top end.

 

[Mostyn]

So basically the argument against doing what Geelong did is “we’ve tested the players that we’d be getting rid of at AFL level and they’ve proven that they aren’t up to it, whereas Geelong never tested them”.

Got it.

Geelong had players that were very late draft picks and rookie picks. They had never amounted to much.

You're cherry picking a not-completely-relevant example to back up a seemingly extreme point.

For some reason, you've come in with a "the sky is falling, let's tear it all down" opinion - even though it's incredibly unlikely to occur and almost never happens.

I'm not sure why you want to cut a quarter of the squad, but it seems a bit over the top

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Would be sensible to trim down the number of "active" players on our list.

There will be a cap squeeze if we improve.

Need to have a decent portion of your non-best 22 on draftee first contract wages. If the guys out of the team are mostly Pedlar, Sholl, Butts, Jones, Berry, Cook, Schoenberg, Borlase, Dowling, Taylor, Burgess types who have had at least a taste of AFL and have moved onto second (or third) contracts then you run out of cap space at the top end.

We don't have a cap problem.

But we need to ensure we have decent depth of 30ish players... even if the selectors don't use them when they should.

 

[Scorpus]

Would be sensible to trim down the number of "active" players on our list.

There will be a cap squeeze if we improve.

Need to have a decent portion of your non-best 22 on draftee first contract wages. If the guys out of the team are mostly Pedlar, Sholl, Butts, Jones, Berry, Cook, Schoenberg, Borlase, Dowling, Taylor, Burgess types who have had at least a taste of AFL and have moved onto second (or third) contracts then you run out of cap space at the top end.

The solution is making sure any of those guys are on minimum wage if they're retained

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The solution is making sure any of those guys are on minimum wage if they're retained

& more 1year deals to allow list flexibility.

 

[Scorpus]

& more 1year deals to allow list flexibility.

Yep.

If we wanted to keep Butts for example, offer a 1 year deal on minimum cash. Either he can stay as depth, or move to a shit club like North and we'll grab some mature age replacement.

If he leaves for more opportunity it would be hard to begrudge him. But we can't be overpaying to retain him

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We don't have a cap problem.

But we need to ensure we have decent depth of 30ish players... even if the selectors don't use them when they should.

Any team with a collection of good young players around the same age has a looming cap problem unless managed sensibly.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Any team with a collection of good young players around the same age has a looming cap problem unless managed sensibly.

We have front loaded nearly all our young talent on long term deals.

We have utilised the money when we were crap to sure up the future.