List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Surely there is otherwise you get nicks wasting games on players about to be delisted as we’ve seen each year

It's important for them to be on the same page, if it's Roughead's one.

If not, I'm happy for them to be on completely different pages

 

[Cromulant]

I wouldn’t be against it. Just feel like Essendon would want heaven and earth for him

Yep, they didnt take 3 first round picks last year and a decent player.

Last year of his contract so they might be willing to part with him for less, but I reckon it'll take a Rachele type to get it done, and im not sure thatd be worth it.

 

[119others]

I’d really like to read the reports on Carlton and Essendon for the LOL’s too !!!

sure man. and poor Port...List Managers concerns re QLD clubs consistent with this

and here ya go FR0GGY

 

[Fud#3]

sure man. and poor Port...List Managers concerns re QLD clubs consistent with this

and here ya go FR0GGY

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It's funny how the AFL has stopped talking about equalisation after they completely screwed uptheir main equalisation tool (i.e. the draft).

 

[Redline]

He'd work alongside Hamish and has a previous relationship with Silvers.... so yeah it makes sense that he'd talk to them.

No doubt they would all talk to him but none have done list managment. For a coaching role you ussually have someone who has coached. I guess I presumed Balme or Gallagher would of been heavilly involed.

Anyway not wanting it to come across as a complaint, just different to what I thought.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Yep, they didnt take 3 first round picks last year and a decent player.

Last year of his contract so they might be willing to part with him for less, but I reckon it'll take a Rachele type to get it done, and im not sure thatd be worth it.

If anyone but Hawthorn they’d have been more flexible

More chance they’d deal with us and be realistic

 

[Cromulant]

No doubt they would all talk to him but none have done list managment. For a coaching role you ussually have someone who has coached. I guess I presumed Balme or Gallagher would of been heavilly involed.

Anyway not wanting it to come across as a complaint, just different to what I thought.

I think anyone he'd have to chat to anyone whos involved in LM, and that includes the coach.

Whether or not he should listen to Nicks is another question.

 

[TBM]

I think anyone he'd have to chat to anyone whos involved in LM, and that includes the coach.

Whether or not he should listen to Nicks is another question.

Reid had a tendency to avoid high turnover at end of each season, usually only delisting minimum required, and waiting a while to do so.

Reid was good at delisting the likes of McHenry / Murphy despite Nicks playing them right up until the end of their contracts.

It'll be interesting to see how Roughy's LM style compares. Seems a good appointment on the surface.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Reid had a tendency to avoid high turnover at end of each season, usually only delisting minimum required, and waiting a while to do so.

Reid was good at delisting the likes of McHenry / Murphy despite Nicks playing them right up until the end of their contracts.

It'll be interesting to see how Roughy's LM style compares. Seems a good appointment on the surface.

Jarryd Roughead played at Hawthorn when they delisted three champions all while they had a few years left in them?

Jordan Lewis went to Melbourne who finished 17th the previous year, played 3 years retiring at the end of 2019. 4x premiership player 1 x AA

Sam Mitchell went to West Coast 2 weeks after becoming a 4 x premiership player including the 3peat. WC finished 6th the year prior to his arrival. Played just one season and immediately became an assistant for the Eagles in their 2018 premiership.

Luke Hodge went to Brisbane in 2018 and played 2 seasons with much acclaim from the wider AFL community for his impact on Brisbane. Brisbane finished 18th the year prior to his arrival. Good effort for a 3 x premiership captain. 2 x Norm Smith and 3 x AA +++++etc

All this shows a ruthlessness I hope Roughy can develop into the AFC. It also shows a strategic mentality mile and miles away from the way the AFC have ever displayed, especially in the past 6-8 years.

I wonder if Roughy was appointed a few years ago, what might our list look like today? Maybe O'Brien would be at Essendon and Walker finishing his career at West Coast??? And we would have had a few more draft choices accordingly.

 

[1990crow]

Jarryd Roughead played at Hawthorn when they delisted three champions all while they had a few years left in them?

Jordan Lewis went to Melbourne who finished 17th the previous year, played 3 years retiring at the end of 2019. 4x premiership player 1 x AA

Sam Mitchell went to West Coast 2 weeks after becoming a 4 x premiership player including the 3peat. WC finished 6th the year prior to his arrival. Played just one season and immediately became an assistant for the Eagles in their 2018 premiership.

Luke Hodge went to Brisbane in 2018 and played 2 seasons with much acclaim from the wider AFL community for his impact on Brisbane. Brisbane finished 18th the year prior to his arrival. Good effort for a 3 x premiership captain. 2 x Norm Smith and 3 x AA +++++etc

All this shows a ruthlessness I hope Roughy can develop into the AFC. It also shows a strategic mentality mile and miles away from the way the AFC have ever displayed, especially in the past 6-8 years.

I wonder if Roughy was appointed a few years ago, what might our list look like today? Maybe O'Brien would be at Essendon and Walker finishing his career at West Coast??? And we would have had a few more draft choices accordingly.

Teams like Hawthorn and Geelong don't just keep winning by accident.

 

[Adecagodelphalaide]

Jarryd Roughead played at Hawthorn when they delisted three champions all while they had a few years left in them?

Jordan Lewis went to Melbourne who finished 17th the previous year, played 3 years retiring at the end of 2019. 4x premiership player 1 x AA

Sam Mitchell went to West Coast 2 weeks after becoming a 4 x premiership player including the 3peat. WC finished 6th the year prior to his arrival. Played just one season and immediately became an assistant for the Eagles in their 2018 premiership.

Luke Hodge went to Brisbane in 2018 and played 2 seasons with much acclaim from the wider AFL community for his impact on Brisbane. Brisbane finished 18th the year prior to his arrival. Good effort for a 3 x premiership captain. 2 x Norm Smith and 3 x AA +++++etc

All this shows a ruthlessness I hope Roughy can develop into the AFC. It also shows a strategic mentality mile and miles away from the way the AFC have ever displayed, especially in the past 6-8 years.

I wonder if Roughy was appointed a few years ago, what might our list look like today? Maybe O'Brien would be at Essendon and Walker finishing his career at West Coast??? And we would have had a few more draft choices accordingly.

Geez Sam Mitchell was All Australian 2015, won Hawthorn's B&F in 2016 and then promptly shipped off to West Coast, ruthless indeed.

 

[1970crow]

Jarryd Roughead played at Hawthorn when they delisted three champions all while they had a few years left in them?

Jordan Lewis went to Melbourne who finished 17th the previous year, played 3 years retiring at the end of 2019. 4x premiership player 1 x AA

Sam Mitchell went to West Coast 2 weeks after becoming a 4 x premiership player including the 3peat. WC finished 6th the year prior to his arrival. Played just one season and immediately became an assistant for the Eagles in their 2018 premiership.

Luke Hodge went to Brisbane in 2018 and played 2 seasons with much acclaim from the wider AFL community for his impact on Brisbane. Brisbane finished 18th the year prior to his arrival. Good effort for a 3 x premiership captain. 2 x Norm Smith and 3 x AA +++++etc

All this shows a ruthlessness I hope Roughy can develop into the AFC. It also shows a strategic mentality mile and miles away from the way the AFC have ever displayed, especially in the past 6-8 years.

I wonder if Roughy was appointed a few years ago, what might our list look like today? Maybe O'Brien would be at Essendon and Walker finishing his career at West Coast??? And we would have had a few more draft choices accordingly.

The concern is that we need agents of change, not people who ‘might take a little while to work out how we do it’. I do think it’s unrealistic to expect Balme to have turned a 2 decade long culture of embracing mediocrity in a single season though. And I’m happy to argue a single year extension to Nicks is a step in the right direction, it would have been 3 under Chappy and Roo. But I wonder that anyone we get from the outside has aligned philosophies and an inherent desire to assimilate, not drive.

 

[1970crow]

Geez Sam Mitchell was All Australian 2015, won Hawthorn's B&F in 2016 and then promptly shipped off to West Coast, ruthless indeed.

Yeh, but it kills the culture of the club. It’ll take a few more years before they get back to playing finals and matching it with the top sides. You just can’t treat your veterans like that.

 

[119others]

I’d really like to read the reports on Carlton and Essendon for the LOL’s too !!!

here you go mate


Dons

 

[Mostyn]

Yep, they didnt take 3 first round picks last year and a decent player.

Last year of his contract so they might be willing to part with him for less, but I reckon it'll take a Rachele type to get it done, and im not sure thatd be worth it.

They weren't offered a decent player, and the firsts weren't great - 10, 22 and a late 2026.

 

[119others]

add bailey, we certainly seem faves at this stage with a massive contract and we WILL (positive affirmations) be a contending club even if on an over-inflated contract and possibly one last piece. and thats either a nwm or i am going to throw out there that jhf may be even a tiny chance if power go the complete rebuild (which they need to). perhaps we offer up a couple of first round picks AND mainly if jhf asks for out as wants to play for a contender during his prime footy years (25-30 years of age). chance of this happening for jhf is remote (2.5-3.5%) and clearly nwm seems a more LIKELY chance but will cost 3 x first rounders but thats cool (2027, 2028, 2029). reidy was quietly confident last year that IF nwm came home we were as good a chance as power. the 'playing with family / friends things is way over-stated in the media' and that 'nas is his own independent man'

now before i get my hand off it, this is a team that would push pretty hard for the 2028 flag imo - and theres only one 'missing piece' ASSUMING we get bailey as per above

rankine fogarty rachele
bailey thilthorpe anb (keays)
ah chee nwm (jhf) soligo
dawson n murray milera
worrell keane michalanney

mc andrew curtin draper

cook, peatling, t murray, cumming, marsh

emg hinge, berry, plus our first rounder(s) 2026 etc


elite (regular AA squad appearances) - rankine, rachele, bailey, thilthorpe, nwm, dawson, worrell, keane, curtin and draper

 

[1990crow]

add bailey, we certainly seem faves at this stage with a massive contract and we WILL (positive affirmations) be a contending club even if on an over-inflated contract and possibly one last piece. and thats either a nwm or i am going to throw out there that jhf may be even a tiny chance if power go the complete rebuild (which they need to). perhaps we offer up a couple of first round picks AND mainly if jhf asks for out as wants to play for a contender during his prime footy years (25-30 years of age). chance of this happening for jhf is remote (2.5-3.5%) and clearly nwm seems a more LIKELY chance but will cost 3 x first rounders but thats cool (2027, 2028, 2029). reidy was quietly confident last year that IF nwm came home we were as good a chance as power. the 'playing with family / friends things is way over-stated in the media' and that 'nas is his own independent man'

now before i get my hand off it, this is a team that would push pretty hard for the 2028 flag imo - and theres only one 'missing piece' ASSUMING we get bailey as per above

rankine fogarty rachele
bailey thilthorpe anb (keays)
ah chee nwm (jhf) soligo
dawson n murray milera
worrell keane michalanney

mc andrew curtin draper

cook, peatling, t murray, cumming, marsh

emg hinge, berry, plus our first rounder(s) 2026 etc


elite (regular AA squad appearances) - rankine, rachele, bailey, thilthorpe, nwm, dawson, worrell, keane, curtin and draper

We aren't going to get NWM or JHF. We aren't a northern club without a salary cap.

Will Day our best hope post this year.

 

[119others]

We aren't going to get NWM or JHF. We aren't a northern club without a salary cap.

Will Day our best hope post this year.

look clearly it was half in jest as a VERY 'happy clappy glass half fully' view

day is an interesting one. as a fa he may be 'gettable' but jesus theres lots of risk in there offering a big contract with his background (76 games and now in his 7th year)

my understanding is we have VERY good capacity still in the salary cap that could fit both nwm (1.6-1.8) AND baileys reported contract offers in

the issue i have with baileys contract is the inflationary impact on the 'curtins', 'thilthorpes' etc. if bailey comes in as not a top 3-4 player (which he wont quite be in my view) why wouldnt our most elite players expect a higher salary than the 1.4m bailey is being offered. tt a fa in 2028 is already being talked about as one of the next '2m men in the afl', and if curtin comes good as we expect (hope) and rankine finds his elite form again i can see a massive salary squeeze over the next few years as a result of bringing in a player like bailey on a 10m contract

 

[1990crow]

look clearly it was half in jest as a VERY 'happy clappy glass half fully' view

day is an interesting one. as a fa he may be 'gettable' but jesus theres lots of risk in there offering a big contract with his background (76 games and now in his 7th year)

my understanding is we have VERY good capacity still in the salary cap that could fit both nwm (1.6-1.8) AND baileys reported contract offers in

the issue i have with baileys contract is the inflationary impact on the 'curtins', 'thilthorpes' etc. if bailey comes in as not a top 3-4 player (which he wont quite be in my view) why wouldnt our most elite players expect a higher salary than the 1.4m bailey is being offered. tt a fa in 2028 is already being talked about as one of the next '2m men in the afl', and if curtin comes good as we expect (hope) and rankine finds his elite form again i can see a massive salary squeeze over the next few years as a result of bringing in a player like bailey on a 10m contract

I think our players will be smart enough to know you need to have quality players to win a flag, and they won't all demand the rate you get when you leave for another club.

Someone like Bailey would be leaving because he's had success with Brisbane so has completed that goal, and can now get paid.
Our players like TT, Rankine will want to finish what they've started.

 

[Trigger13]

We aren't going to get NWM or JHF. We aren't a northern club without a salary cap.

Will Day our best hope post this year.

The Will Day who absolutely bleeds Hawthorn?

 

[Cromulant]

The Will Day who absolutely bleeds Hawthorn?

Everyone has a price.

 

[1990crow]

The Will Day who absolutely bleeds Hawthorn?

After all his injuries he want a fresh start more than anything.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

After all his injuries he want a fresh start more than anything.

You know this as I doubt it as very loyal to the Hawks.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

After all his injuries he want a fresh start more than anything.

We can offer plenty of company for him in the rehab group

 

[Coopers]

We aren't going to get NWM or JHF. We aren't a northern club without a salary cap.

Will Day our best hope post this year.

Burgess can fix him!