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Team List books only start from 1934, written by Percy Taylor.Id be interested in the Team Lists if there's any reference in the notes column (or whatever column lists "awards") as to whether there is any mention of a "Best and Fairest" for any Richmond player covering the years/pages 1919 -1927
It has:I've just unearthed an error in the official list of Simpson Medal winners for WA state games.
1947 - Frank Jenkins (South Fremantle) is shown in WAFL published records and online as B.O.G. in a South Fremantle vs Essendon match.
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The AFL season guide and Wikipedia have the same info:
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Turns out, Jenkins (from South Fremantle FC) won the medal playing for the WA Second XVIII vs Essendon (played while the WA 1st XVIII were at the Hobart Carnival)...
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Research has shown that Essendon played two matches on that WA tour, both against WA 2nd XVIII, none against Sth Freo:
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I'll email the WAFL shortly but can anyone with the latest edition of the AFL season guide check the Simpson Medal section and confirm what they have there (my copy is about 5 seasons old!).
Jenkins being listed there for South Fremantle vs Essendon seemed logical because Lou Richards was listed as the inaugural state game winner in 1946 for B.O.G. in a Collingwood vs East Fremantle match.
Although Richards did get a Simpson Medal, it never should have been on the list because it was an end-of-season exhibition match, not a state game (the first image above shows the WAFL have dropped this game from their list).
Thanks for that, 35Daicos . I dug out the earliest copy I have (from back when they still had representative/interstate stats in the AFL guide)... turns out Richards and Jenkins were part of the Grand Final/Exhibition medallists list then as well.It has:
Awarded to the best player in a WAFL Grand Final, and occasionally to an outstanding performer in an exhibition match.
1947 Frank Jenkins (South Frem)**
**=Exhibition match South Fremantle v Essendon
Also: 1946 Lou Richards (Collingwood)*
*=Exhibition match East Fremantle v Collingwood
Seems a hard man to track down! I've had a couple of attempts lately at finding Tasmanian Birth and Death info and haven't been able to get anywhere with the site(s)! Perhaps he didn't die there, but I still can't find him.Not sure if this is covered in Encyclopaedia Book - but George Ward (RFC 1909, 1 game) - seems to be the brother of "Jack" Ward who played 135 games for Port Melbourne from 1899 - 1908. https://australianfootball.com/players/player/jack+ward/17759.
As per the Richmond Guardian 5 June 1909
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Wiki says George died 3 July 1951 (I'm assuming back in Tasmania).
Jack Ward has no death or birth details on AF
The 1910-12 entry of Tassie is from Tigers of Old book in 1996. That information may not be correct.I see you have him playing back in Tasmania again 1910-1912. G. G. Ward went from Richmond to Hawthorn late-April 1910: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184293604
That's obviously a match for the parents of Jack Ward, who is meant to be the brother of George. Now that is interesting! Certainly not an 1882 birth, if it is your 1909 player.
Thanks, Rhett. Will doFYI I've created a second tab on the Spreadsheet as 'Changes 2020' where we can begin to add changes from the last several months and future.
So if you think any changes need to go on there, just tag me the posts retroactively or in future posts.
There appears to be no doubt the records have had the wrong George all along. It is likely (as you suggested) the "Tasmanian connection" caused the confusion.To me its starting to look like the wrong George Ward has been identified for decades. And the reason why Jack Ward isnt listed in George's death notice is he must have died by George.
But I'm trying to find Jack Ward's details to confirm he had a brother George.
Is this possibly Jack's death:
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Which leads us to this death notice for 8 April 1919
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But George isn't listed in the notice. It does say Jack was brother of (what looks to me ) Charles.
Thanks all.There appears to be no doubt the records have had the wrong George all along. It is likely (as you suggested) the "Tasmanian connection" caused the confusion.
That has to be Jack's death. The parents are (the late) Charles Frederick Ward (who died in 1899) and Emma Ocean. The same parents are shown in the Vic BDM details for George Grant Ward, who died in 1928 (see post above yours).
This shows John Nicholson Ward was born in Tasmania (in 1877). The family must have moved to Victoria by the time George was born (in c. August 1889).
Here's another death notice for John/Jack, and George is one of many siblings named: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/155213131
This seems to suggest there were no children from that marriage:Roland Duncan.
Side note: Roland Ramsay Duncan's family is eligible for a RFC posthumous Life Membership due to the 1902 flag.
According to this 1960s newsletter letter looks like he married Edith Guinevere Duncan.
Does anyone have access to Ancestry (I should really buy a subscription). Cause I see Edith has a tree so thought it might show a current relative.