NFL Lockout 'A Certainty'

[FootyJunkie]

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They can remove the bye week. They have a week off between the Championship game and the Super Bowl which can be removed. They also have the Super Bowl venue in Indianapolis booked for the Sunday following the Super Bowl. All up they can miss up to 3 weeks and still make a 16 game regular season work.

the bye week for clubs is at different times during the middle of the season... the whole middle part of the schedule would have to be reshuffled

at worst, 8 games season, just divisional match-ups, then a final 16 playoffs, division champs get to host games in Week 1.

 

[exe ex machina]

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An article worth reading...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/09/nhl-urges-appeals-court-to-side-with-nfl/

The whole anti-trust issue in sports has been a huge bugbear for many decades, with all sporting bodies ensuring a CBA is in effect between the players unions and the sporting bodies/team-owners, to avoid having the anti-trust issue taken all the way to the federal courts, which are likely to rule in favor of the players (all about labor laws).

If the Brady Suit gets heard in the future, and resolved, it would set a precedent for all other professional sports.

Meanwhile...in terms of the lawsuit against the lockout, the judges will be hearing the NFL's appeal in early June. The temporary stay seems to be still in effect, that could get re-lifted (ending the lockout) thru to the June hearing. Or the courts could continue to let the stay be upheld from now thru to the conclusion of the June hearing.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

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wow this is so confusing. I just wish we'd know. I don't really want to spend all my OS holidays in the US if there isn't going to be a season.

 

[exe ex machina]

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Here's an interesting read from Deadspin about the NFL lockout.

The Bizarre Cult Of Pro-Owner NFL Fanboys

So it baffles and angers me that there appears to be actual people out there who are squarely in the owners' corner when it comes to this labor war. I went to this post at PFT the other day, where Florio outlines a rumor about the league going out of business if they lose their appeal, and the number of pro-owner comments were just … ****ing … I don't even know. They must be plants. They have to be plants. That's the only explanation. How else do you explain comments like these?

Read more

 

[Sven]

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Interesting comment about the number of teams that have been acquired through inheritance. I've been doing some research into the franchise value, ownership, and where the owners money came from and its surprising how many teams were acquired this way

 

[drd23]

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Interesting comment about the number of teams that have been acquired through inheritance. I've been doing some research into the franchise value, ownership, and where the owners money came from and its surprising how many teams were acquired this way

If you include both those who inherited money and then bought the franchise and those who inherited the franchise I'd guess that its at least a 1/3 of the franchises. I can name at least 9/31 franchises off the top of my head - PIT, CIN, CLE, NYJ, NYG, CHI, DET, STL, ARI - that were not acquired using the owner's own self made money and only 3 that were (ATL, BAL, CAR)

 

[drd23]

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Looks like we might get some football on Sunday's (Monday's Aus time) if the lockout keeps going into September

If lockout lingers, Pac-10 eyeballs Sundays

In a recent interview with KTAR in Phoenix, Pac-10 Commissioner Larry Scott said his conference will be ready to play on Sundays, if the NFL isn’t. “We certainly have an eye on it, and I think we’ll be flexible and opportunistic if the situation presents itself,” Scott said.

“But we’re not spending a lot of time on it,” Scott added. “I personally expect that the NFL is gonna settle if not by the beginning of their season early into their season. So I don’t think that’s a long-term strategy for us, but I think, yeah, we’ll be nimble and we’ll be opportunistic if there’s any opportunity to get big exposure on Sunday, why not?”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/if-lockout-lingers-pac-10-eyeballs-sundays/

 

[Abaddon]

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the bye week for clubs is at different times during the middle of the season... the whole middle part of the schedule would have to be reshuffled

at worst, 8 games season, just divisional match-ups, then a final 16 playoffs, division champs get to host games in Week 1.

??? so?
reality is they have 3 weeks up their sleeve if the start of the season was delayed...

 

[FootyJunkie]

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??? so?
reality is they have 3 weeks up their sleeve if the start of the season was delayed...

pain in the arse for the fixture people, can be done i suppose...

as you said, they have the pre-SB break and Colts ground booked for the week after the SB (2 weeks in reserve) before having to resort to severe schedule changes

 

[Sven]

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The NFL’s lockout stays, a federal appeals court ruled Monday. That means the league likely won’t get back to business until next month and maybe for much longer.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the lockout can remain intact until a full appeal is heard on whether it is legal. That hearing is scheduled June 3 in St. Louis, and it is before the same panel that issued this 2-1 decision.

Not a suprising decision by the 8th circuit court given their original decision a couple of weeks ago. The pro-business stance of the court is exactly the reason the NFL appealed to them in the first place.

Looks like we're headed to stalemate in the courts, so the players and owners better start making some progress on a new CBA otherwise we're not going to see any football at all this year.

Peter King has a very disturbing artilce on how the NFL could look if it becomes open slather on contracts etc.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/05/15/mmqb/index.html

There is no way I want the NFL to go down the path of the English Premier League where 4 teams dominate and the rest just make up the numbers....

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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Not a suprising decision by the 8th circuit court given their original decision a couple of weeks ago. The pro-business stance of the court is exactly the reason the NFL appealed to them in the first place.

Looks like we're headed to stalemate in the courts, so the players and owners better start making some progress on a new CBA otherwise we're not going to see any football at all this year.

Peter King has a very disturbing artilce on how the NFL could look if it becomes open slather on contracts etc.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/05/15/mmqb/index.html

There is no way I want the NFL to go down the path of the English Premier League where 4 teams dominate and the rest just make up the numbers....

Too pessimistic a view imo. Parity has made this one of the world's great Leagues, why on Earth would they risk all that? Surely even money should not prevent them from seeing the harm the baseball strike had on the game, something like this scenario would do far worse damage. Most teams would be cutting their own throats if this happened.

Intersting King article though, it really is a game of who will blink first. Unfortunately it's looking more and more like a delayed season at best.

 

[Woodson]

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Lots of reason to think there is minimal hope for any resolution to have a CBA worked out if the parties refuse to work it out together.

Here is what Goodell said last week:

"The only thing I'm going to say in regards to any of these rumors -- there's all kinds of reports -- is that we're considering a variety of different alternatives based on the court decisions," Goodell said. "We'll have to do that, and we're prepared to do that, and we're going through that process."

source: NFL.com

But to better translate the Goodell comment: Here's the late George Carlin (who btw would of been on the Mustangs front office staff if he was alive )...

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[Ram-Man]

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Lots of reason to think there is minimal hope for any resolution to have a CBA worked out if the parties refuse to work it out together.

Here is what Goodell said last week:



source: NFL.com

But to better translate the Goodell comment: Here's the late George Carlin (who btw would of been on the Mustangs front office staff if he was alive )...

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lol ... awesome .. thanks woodson never heard that before ... god bless george !!

 

[Ram-Man]

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NFL Lockout: See you in November.

Now, would the players be willing to capitulate to some degree and take a lesser deal during the months that would be training camp? Possibly. But I don't know what's in it for the players from that point of view, because all they'll be missing is training camp. And remember, they dont' get paid during training camp. They may get $1,000 a week or something, but obviously, for those guys who make that much money, it's not much to speak of. So now there's no motivation to have to give in until they have to get a paycheck, which is opening day. If opening day comes and there's no deal struck, let's pick a number. Let's say it takes three, let's say it takes four weeks, and maybe they come to a settlement. So that takes us somewhere close to the end of September, first of October. - Chris Collinsworth

 

[Ram-Man]

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Decrease in FOOTBALL = Increase in EVIL

 

[exe ex machina]

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I'd feel awkward and claustrophobic in a room with Ray Lewis.

Leaning over....preaching about life and religion, attentive of me, touching me, invading my personal space....."just chill man, geez"

If Ray was a girl carrying on like that, i'd probably say to myself, "she couldn't get naked fast enough"

 

[Dagless]

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Decrease in FOOTBALL = Increase in EVIL

Is this a warning about what he gets up to when hes bored?

 

[exe ex machina]

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Scott Fujita one of my new favorite players after this interview. He nailed so many questions with great answers. I dont think anyone else could've answered better.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22825103/vp/43170291#43171444

 

[Woodson]

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I'd feel awkward and claustrophobic in a room with Ray Lewis.

Leaning over....preaching about life and religion, attentive of me, touching me, invading my personal space....."just chill man, geez"

If Ray was a girl carrying on like that, i'd probably say to myself, "she couldn't get naked fast enough"

He's an emotional guy GG. He may have prevented other crimes by taking down those alleged troublemakers a decade ago. I think that America will be the Big Losers if the owners can't come down to an agreement. Ray is spot on.. he'll be telling the media & NFL owners 'told you so' until the media realise that the Owners stubborn actions are triggering such 'evil acts'.

Good on Ray for being a spokesperson for NFL rapture.

Also thanx for the link to Scott Fujita. Sounds like the owners are just being unreasonable with their 'cop out' party lines. To have the players wanting to throw chairs thru the window just makes us appreciate how frustrating it must get for the players.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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Pretty impressive from Drew Brees on why he thinks owners had been planning for a lockout for some time, and how he thinks they tried to take advantage of Gene Upshaw's death.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/05/26/lockout/index.html?sct=nfl_t11_a0

 

[exe ex machina]

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A very good and non-verbose article on the lockout as it stands and the chances of games being missed and the fall-out, etc.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nfl-labor-20110530,0,7739899.story

just one point touched on....

Final thought: This case will help decide what happens with the NFL in Los Angeles. Team owners haven't said they're losing money, just that they aren't making enough of it. (Of course, they refuse to open their books, either way.) They say the deal they opted out of didn't allow them to make enough money to justify the investment in new stadiums — and every L.A. stadium proposal has included the assumption of NFL money. In other words, if the deal isn't sweet enough for the owners, they're unlikely to contribute to a new stadium in the L.A. area.

 

[Jirahax]

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I really want football, I hope that the CBA is resolved soon.

 

[Tassie19Cairns20]

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He may have prevented other crimes by taking down those alleged troublemakers a decade ago.

You mean where he and two friends were involved in a fight with two men, who both ended up getting stabbed to death in said fight. Yet neither Ray nor his two friends were convicted because prosecutors couldn't precisely figure out which one actually performed the stabbing. One thing I know is that the knife didn't magically wield itself, or that Ray's clothes that he wore that night didn't magically disappear as he claims.

I've never liked Ray Lewis. His claims of average citizens starting crime sprees because of a lack of football is the stupidest thing I've heard since Rashard Mendenhall's tweets praising Bin Laden and saying September 11 was a conspiracy. Leave it to Ray Lewis the criminal to talk about crime.....

 

[Woodson]

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You've totally misunderstood both stories here T19C20. Be more open minded to other options.

Firstly, Mendenhall, does not praise OBL. Just questions why people have to celebrate his death without knowing him (open to interpretation) and how building 7 collapsed without being hit by plane which most Americans don't want to know (the alleged truth) anyway.

Ray Lewis isn't as nasty as many care to make him out.
Sure the murder plea bargaining got him off but consider that police details were too sketchy and implications of other persons involved, whether they were more a threat to society is what seems to the investigation arriving to a sound conclusion. No point jumping to conclusions because a player you don't like was within the vicinity of the crime scene.

That's where I'm saying that Ray Lewis is warning the media and whoever cares to understand the situation that a Lockout can have serious consequences. No point bundling two separate allegations of perceived wrongs as bad as each other.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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It was a silly statement by Lewis though. Most people just think he's more concerned about his own pocket than any social issues.

Keeping the discussion to the relevant points as players like Brees have done is what is required, not hyperbole.