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[dr nick]

Originally posted by Thrawn
What, and get little pay? Not a chance!

 

[Bomber Spirit]

Originally posted by nicko18
how is schedule supposed to be pronouced??

i say "skedule" but my dad swears it is "shedule"

Your dad is correct.

As for spelling, on a message board like this where there's no time limits and the bandwidth is already excessive, I'll usually use correct English - although I do tend to overuse the dashes when I probably should use a semicolon. And also overuse the emoticons probably.
In a chat room where I've got to post fairly quickly (especially since most computers are faster than my old dinosaur) I'll dispense with capital letters and go easy on the punctuation. Same on MSN.
On an SMS where characters are limited I'll abbreviate a lot and sometimes use wrong spelling and punctuation. For example, on a message board I'd never write "s&don by 36 gr8 2 b back in form" but it's perfectly acceptable for an SMS. Horses for courses.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Originally posted by Thrawn
What, and get little pay? Not a chance!

Depends where you are working Thrawn. One of my English teacher mates over here made AUD$12,000 in one month not long ago.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Mr Q
Also remember that IMO and WTF etc are traditional Internet usage from the early days of the Internet, while "r" and "u" are transferences from common SMS messaging conventions; IMO not acceptable as it really isn't that hard to type a three letter word on a keyboard.



But one of the important things about the written (or typed) word is that it must clearly send the intended message. Relaxing the style is OK, we all do that. But you need to draw a line somewhere before it relaxes to the point where it is illegible.

So using acronyms like WTF,STFU,UFI,NFI,RTFM,etc are perfectly acceptable because they derive from the early days of the internet?
and this makes reading a sentence easier? where as u, r etc dont? hmm...interesting theory there.

language is dependant on situation, and common reference points. For instance if i was to translate otaku, i would get " pathaogical-techno-fetishist-with-social-deficit", wheras someone else may simply give the translation as "geek".

This means that while you have every right not to use this style of language, it doesnt give you the right to be anal and bitch about other people using it. If you dont like to read it, dont. Use the Power of Discretion, Luke.

But like it or not, it has been integrated into the vernacular of the internet.

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by otaku
So using acronyms like WTF,STFU,UFI,NFI,RTFM,etc are perfectly acceptable because they derive from the early days of the internet?
and this makes reading a sentence easier? where as u, r etc dont? hmm...interesting theory there.

It's not that, you're confusing acronyms (IMO etc) with shorthand ("r", "u" etc). Traditionally acronyms, when used in writing are defined in the document before they are used. However once that acronym is in common usage, the definition is dropped. A good example of this would be the use of WMD for Weapons of Mass Destruction on the Society and Culture Board.

Traditionally though, upper case is used (and hence most people use "IMO" instead of "imo"), the capitalization of the word clearly defining the non-word nature of the word. Full capitalization is usually only discarded after many years where the original acronym is lost (ie Qantas).

However, "r" and "u" are not acronyms (otherwise they'd be "A" and "Y". They are not clearly marked in a sentence because they are not traditionally capitalised (unless of course the whole sentence is written in capitals). Hence they are harder to spot, read and understand, especially given that many people on this forum may be unfamiliar with SMS conventions. Notably also messages on forums tend to be much longer than other similar types of messages (chat rooms, SMS etc.), so correct use of puntuation and spelling becomes much more important for the readability of the message.

Originally posted by otaku
language is dependant on situation, and common reference points. For instance if i was to translate otaku, i would get " pathaogical-techno-fetishist-with-social-deficit", wheras someone else may simply give the translation as "geek".

This means that while you have every right not to use this style of language, it doesnt give you the right to be anal and bitch about other people using it. If you dont like to read it, dont. Use the Power of Discretion, Luke.

But like it or not, it has been integrated into the vernacular of the internet.

That's where I would argue with you. It has been integrated into the vernacular for use with services that require an instant or compressed reply (see Bomber Spirit's post a few up). A forum such as this gives you time to accurately form your post so it conforms to standards of the written language. In reality it would probably add maybe 30 seconds tops to a post to use correct grammar and English. For me that would be about one minute a day. Not too hard, nor too much to expect.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Mr Q
It's not that, you're confusing acronyms (IMO etc) with shorthand ("r", "u" etc). Traditionally acronyms, when used in writing are defined in the document before they are used. However once that acronym is in common usage, the definition is dropped. A good example of this would be the use of WMD for Weapons of Mass Destruction on the Society and Culture Board.

Traditionally though, upper case is used (and hence most people use "IMO" instead of "imo"), the capitalization of the word clearly defining the non-word nature of the word. Full capitalization is usually only discarded after many years where the original acronym is lost (ie Qantas).

However, "r" and "u" are not acronyms (otherwise they'd be "A" and "Y". They are not clearly marked in a sentence because they are not traditionally capitalised (unless of course the whole sentence is written in capitals). Hence they are harder to spot, read and understand, especially given that many people on this forum may be unfamiliar with SMS conventions. Notably also messages on forums tend to be much longer than other similar types of messages (chat rooms, SMS etc.), so correct use of puntuation and spelling becomes much more important for the readability of the message.



That's where I would argue with you. It has been integrated into the vernacular for use with services that require an instant or compressed reply (see Bomber Spirit's post a few up). A forum such as this gives you time to accurately form your post so it conforms to standards of the written language. In reality it would probably add maybe 30 seconds tops to a post to use correct grammar and English. For me that would be about one minute a day. Not too hard, nor too much to expect.

seems you missed the point slightly....although, i can see how you thought i meant u' and 'r' are acronyms, it wasnt intended that way.

"Traditionally" speaking, our language is always evolving. If u think it is static, then why arn't u still speaking old english?

most importantly, no language exists in a grammary, or dictionary, but in teh space between interlocutors - and if those interlocutors use a signifier that both understand relates to a particular significant, then it is legitimate

The fact that "u" and "r" are substituted in a sentence doesnt make that sentence any harder to read. Even if u dont know what they represent, u should be able to figure it out frm the context (and lets face it, who cant undersdtand that "u" and'r" are simply shorthand???)

this was the whole point of my argument. "proper" grammer and spelling dont exist. They have just evolved to their present state, and are continuing to evolve. It is only traditionalists and english teachers who disagree.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Originally posted by Mr Q
OK, I'll abuse the next person who suggests using "u" or "r". ..............Also remember that IMO and WTF etc are traditional Internet usage from the early days of the Internet, while "r" and "u" are transferences from common SMS messaging conventions

No, that's wrong. 'R' for 'are' and 'U' for 'you' have been being used from the first days of the 'net, long before the first suitcase-sized 'mobile' phone was even a twinkle in a geek's eye. Believe me, I used to use the 'net back in 1987, possibly even earlier (telnet and usenet).

 

[scmods]

Originally posted by otaku
The fact that "u" and "r" are substituted in a sentence doesnt make that sentence any harder to read.

I say it does. It gives a mental jolt every time you get to a word which your brain doesn't recognise as a real word. Which. Makes. The. Sentence. Very. Disjointed. And. Stuttering. To. Read. Rather than allowing it to flow in your brain. Whenever I encounter such a sentence I find I have to read it more than once to get the meaning, as the first read is just finding all the abbreviations. I also don't believe it is any faster to type on a keyboard - in fact it's slower as you have to consciously think to type "u" instead of just automatcially hitting y-o-u. I think people only do it because they think it makes them look cool.

Back to what I was originally going to post: -

A newer one I've noticed on BigFooty recently is "his" for "he's" or "he is" - as in "I've been watching Buckley closely and I think his playing better than ever."

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by scmods
. I also don't believe it is any faster to type on a keyboard - in fact it's slower as you have to consciously think to type "u" instead of just automatcially hitting y-o-u. I think people only do it because they think it makes them look cool.

those of us who have not mastered the "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" tutorials find it much easier and quicker to type "u".

i am pretty much a four finger typer. i used to use one finger but have got better. unless you are a real pro, i think abbreviations are much easier. having said that, i don't like using them because IMO, they make the sentence harder 2 read as u said b4.

 

[dr nick]

just read any of spidergirl's posts and u will understand what i mean about sentences being 2 hard 2 read without full stops commas abbreviations and and other things that give breaks to the passage i mean i reckon i have 2 read her posts twice sometimes 3 times or more 2 get what she is trying to say and the fact that her posts go on 4 usually a few sentences worth means people trying 2 read her posts just ignore them more often than not

 

[scmods]

Originally posted by nicko18
those of us who have not mastered the "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" tutorials find it much easier and quicker to type "u".

i am pretty much a four finger typer. i used to use one finger but have got better. unless you are a real pro, i think abbreviations are much easier. having said that, i don't like using them because IMO, they make the sentence harder 2 read as u said b4.

your a looser whose bias against people like me who can tipe proper.

I'm probably a four or five finger typist (I'm now trying to count which ones I use as I'm typing this - I think it's actually six) which has only developed from years of doing it not from ever learning how to type properly.

As far as easier goes, I'm also talking about the mental process of thinking "I need to find the 'y' key, oh no I don't I'm going to abbreviate so find the 'u' key instead"

 

[dr nick]

when i'm reading along, the word "u" has me mentally beginning to pronounce a word that starts with u, whereas if someone types "you" i think it is much quicker to read (but slower to type)

BTW: i used 8 fingers in typing this message, much more than i thought i used. the right pinkie got a severe workout from the backspace key!!

 

[beckybiglands]

Originally posted by Kenny_01
The most misspelt word is definitely.

truth is i can't spell it so i just type "def"
*giggles*

 

[rfctigerarmy]

possessions or posessions... which is right? I always say possessions.

 

[Mobbs]

I'm actually a two-finger hunter and pecker, but since I've been using a computer since 1986, I actually am a very fast typist ... albeit my accuracy isn't too flash.

 

[BeCcA]

Originally posted by Mr Q
Easy. The most misspelt word on Bigfooty is YOU closely followed by ARE

Note how they have three letters, not one. Y-O-U and A-R-E. Not very hard, but they seem to cause a few problems around the place.

HAHAHA that reminds me of year 12 In some of my essays I would write u or r Just so used to typing them like that on here

 

[Katthawk]

Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
I'm actually a two-finger hunter and pecker, but since I've been using a computer since 1986, I actually am a very fast typist ... albeit my accuracy isn't too flash.

Hmm. I hate to admit it but one of the most useful things I have learnt was to be able to type using ALL TEN FINGERS.

 

[Mobbs]

In checked it out more closely and found that I told a furphy.

I actually use three, my left index and middle fingers, and my right index.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by Katthawk
Hmm. I hate to admit it but one of the most useful things I have learnt was to be able to type using ALL TEN FINGERS.

it would be very handy. unfortunately i can't look at the screen when i'm typing, so i'll often make mistakes without realising them. if spell check doesnt find them, i only realise they are there when i'm reading a final essay copy ready to hand in!! if i could learn to look at the screen whilst typing it would be very handy indeed.

something i'll eventually find the time to practice i hope. there are some pretty good typing programs that get you using the right fingers, and they make you do it without looking at the keys

 

[Katthawk]

Originally posted by nicko18
something i'll eventually find the time to practice i hope. there are some pretty good typing programs that get you using the right fingers, and they make you do it without looking at the keys

It really is something worth learning. Once you do learn it, you never forget it and also you wonder why you didn't do it in the first place. Makes things a hell of a lot quicker and you don't have to look at the keyboard at all.

 

[scmods]

Confession time

I have a confession to make.

After participating in this thread and feeling smugly superior to the great unwashed of the internet, I earlier today posted about the Western Bulldogs, and referred to "there" position on the ladder.

I think I managed to edit it before anyone saw it, but it was still a shock!