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This came up in my newsfeed today which I'm only posting because I thought it would be pertinent to the current topic of discussion.

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...ian-meal-there-s-more-animal-blood-your-hands

*Note: this isn't an attempt at derailing any opinions or ways of life, it's just something that was brought to my attention today that I thought would be relevant to the thread. Having been on both sides of the fence dietwise, I'm able to keep an open mind about the practicality of both lifestyles and their associated benefits and downfalls, having said that I don't believe in ignoring an article simply because it conflicts with my current ideology - i've always tried to be open to new information, even if it conflicts with my current dietary lifestyle. Having said this, the article above provides some good food for thought!
 
Nickos66 said:
This came up in my newsfeed today which I'm only posting because I thought it would be pertinent to the current topic of discussion.

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...ian-meal-there-s-more-animal-blood-your-hands

*Note: this isn't an attempt at derailing any opinions or ways of life, it's just something that was brought to my attention today that I thought would be relevant to the thread. Having been on both sides of the fence dietwise, I'm able to keep an open mind about the practicality of both lifestyles and their associated benefits and downfalls, having said that I don't believe in ignoring an article simply because it conflicts with my current ideology - i've always tried to be open to new information, even if it conflicts with my current dietary lifestyle. Having said this, the article above provides some good food for thought!
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I was about to post this myself.
 

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Bazzar said:
Curious to know how the vegans here get their B12 and Omega 3
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I doubt the lack of b12 would be noticed over everything else they lack being a Vegan.
I understand why they are against eating meat but do they also not wear leather or own leather furniture?
Yeah they way some animals are treated isn't very humane but how about how the workers are treated n under paid over seas that work at companies manufacturing n supplying Vegans their food, do they condone that?
How many food items do they eat that contain gelatin from animal bones?
Most store bought breads contain chicken feathers (enhancer) which is listed as a protein.

Any as I've mentioned before , the more Vegans/Vegenterians there is the more meat for me!
 
B12, Omega 3, Iron and strangely Vitamin D are all lacking big time in Vegans. Goes to show how smart Vegetarians are.

Nut job Durianrider who is the Vegan spokesman is a classic example, after his first six years as a Vegan his B12 was tested and at the time was noted as one of the lowest clinical levels seen at 78 (by the lab in Sydney)
 
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This is why I hate being associated with the word "vegan".

People make it out to be something that it isn't.

I don't give a s**t about cows. I think the world would probably be much better if you killed most of them off.

Leather and fur is a big part of human history. In some parts of the world they still rely on having it.
 

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showdownhero said:
Vegans are by far the most outspoken, critical and aggressively judgmental people when discussing other peoples diets.
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Militant vegans can be self richeous and annoying, that is for sure. However you have to be careful about delivering information that contradicts their lifestyle and ethical choices if you want to be a decent human being about it. At the end of the day vegans are trying to do the right thing for their health, animal welfare and environment. I happen to think their good intentions miss every one of those marks but am reluctant to get into a conversation with them about it because I know how i feel when i believe in something and someone comes along and tells me that it's wrong or not true.

My advice when dealing with vegans and vegetarians is to be gentle. Their hearts are in the right place.
 
Bazzar said:
"Given carte blanche to take advantage of all that medicine has to offer, I would aggressively consume antioxidants during my training (10-20,000 ORAC units per day), I would increase the amount of healthy fats (omega 3-rich) in my diet to 50% of total calories and I would only consume quality complex carbohydrates during my training. In fact, I would calculate my carbohydrate requirements on a daily basis and not exceed them. I would use simple sugars (e.g., gels) during long rides and races only to the extent they are necessary. That means I would do most of my training without them, saving them for races. I would work closely with a trained anti-aging doctor to monitor my fasting glucose, fasting insulin, free and bound testosterone, liver enzymes, cortisol, DHEA, hematocrit, ferritin and other parameters.
I would incorporate therapeutic amounts of testosterone (yes, I know it's illegal, but I'm giving you the best-case scenario), to balance out high levels of cortisol when I have gone to the well too much."
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You can get pregnenalone and testerone online. When you're over stressed your body steals pregnenalone which is a pre-cursor hormone DHEA which is a pre-cursor to testosterone.
 
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I watch a good clip last night mentioning human beings evolved as carnivores hence why we are created with stomach acids to break down meat.
 
Lach72 said:
Awesome stuff.

And what was the reaction form the medical people you were seeing?
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Apologies for late reply mate, was travelling last week. Appreciate your positive comments, appears to be lost on some others in this thread.

The reaction from my doctor was brilliant actually. But remembering I had deliberately chosen to see a new specialist as I was in NYC at the time. Looking back now, this was a blessing in disguise. As if I was in Melbourne at the time, automatically I would've seen the same Oncologist I saw during my first bout in my teens. And he would've had a very firm view on the best method of treatment....ie, cut me open, then pump me full of chemotherapy again.

Its fair to say I kept it on the downlow from my specialist in Melbourne until I returned. By that stage, I was almost recovered anyway. His reaction was one of disbelief - and since that time, he too has enlightened and informed himself to the point of converting to veganism about 6 years ago. He's never been healthier he tells me. Brilliant stuff. He's a Hawks man too, so recently caught up during some during some premiership celebrations.

Juggalo Balla said:
I'm interested to know what sort of meals you eat.

Banana smoothie for breakfast? Bowl of rice for dinner? Something like that is what the Rawtill4 plan seems to be.
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Is the raw till 4 plan something you've tried before? I see the benefits of this but to be honest, its not for me. I do prefer to eat things that are hot (especially at colder parts of the year). So whilst I do smash a large volume of fruit everyday, I tend to do this in the mornings. A typical 'breakfast' would be 8-10 bananas with other fruit (seasonal depending of course, like magoes, apples, pears etc) mixed together with some greens. A vitamix is the best investment I've made in this regard.

Most mornings though I train, so I would have something like the vitargo generate post workout and then eat food at my desk mid morning. Breakfast and lunch would be my biggest meals of the day, aside from fruit then yes oats would be a common choice. Brown rice, or basmati rice, or quinoa/amaranth would all be on rotation. I live very close to South Melbourne market which is great as load up there every weekend (and sometimes before work). All meals would include a sh*tload of veggies, same as dinner. Mushrooms, spinach, brocolli, potatoes are all staples of mine.

For example, on a weekend where I've scored 6 avocados for a dollar, I would then eat massive salads evernight for dinner. Sometimes during the day I'll have a sunwarrior protein shake or some nuts or whatever. There's no typical day I would find, I consumer a wide range of food and every day is a little bit different. Hope that helps a little bit?
 
Juggalo Balla said:
This is why I hate being associated with the word "vegan".

People make it out to be something that it isn't.

I don't give a s**t about cows. I think the world would probably be much better if you killed most of them off.

Leather and fur is a big part of human history. In some parts of the world they still rely on having it.
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Totally understand your point, wearing animal skins was a part of history and in some areas today, its still important. But the same doesn't have to apply to the developed world. Just because something played a part in our history doesn't mean it should still stand today. Slavery, for example. Anyway, I know what you are trying to say.

Even to most ardent meat eater today, surely something like the cruelty involved with the Angora fur industry in China would perhaps cause them to re-consider wearing rabbit fur.
 
glenferry23 said:
Is the raw till 4 plan something you've tried before? I see the benefits of this but to be honest, its not for me. I do prefer to eat things that are hot (especially at colder parts of the year). So whilst I do smash a large volume of fruit everyday, I tend to do this in the mornings. A typical 'breakfast' would be 8-10 bananas with other fruit (seasonal depending of course, like magoes, apples, pears etc) mixed together with some greens. A vitamix is the best investment I've made in this regard.

Most mornings though I train, so I would have something like the vitargo generate post workout and then eat food at my desk mid morning. Breakfast and lunch would be my biggest meals of the day, aside from fruit then yes oats would be a common choice. Brown rice, or basmati rice, or quinoa/amaranth would all be on rotation. I live very close to South Melbourne market which is great as load up there every weekend (and sometimes before work). All meals would include a sh*tload of veggies, same as dinner. Mushrooms, spinach, brocolli, potatoes are all staples of mine.

For example, on a weekend where I've scored 6 avocados for a dollar, I would then eat massive salads evernight for dinner. Sometimes during the day I'll have a sunwarrior protein shake or some nuts or whatever. There's no typical day I would find, I consumer a wide range of food and every day is a little bit different. Hope that helps a little bit?
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I haven't tried rawtill4 myself. I like eating cooked food too much.

I ate a chicken breast 2 weeks ago and now I'm looking at giving the meat a miss for a while. Mostly I eat oats, beans, bread, rice, potato chips. I like eating potato wedges but they are around 5% fat so I'm sure if they're that good for me.

I've certainly been a little lazy on the bananas recently but hopefully I can find a good source and stock up. It's hard to find good sweet fruit. I was eating tons of strawberries but now the QLD season has passed I need to find something else.

I don't have a super blender but it's on the list of things to buy.

I find the less fat I eat the more hungry I am but I think that's just to do with digestion not being stalled due to my liver saying "whoah, too much fat stop eating while I process it all".
 
Juggalo Balla said:
I haven't tried rawtill4 myself. I like eating cooked food too much.

I ate a chicken breast 2 weeks ago and now I'm looking at giving the meat a miss for a while. Mostly I eat oats, beans, bread, rice, potato chips. I like eating potato wedges but they are around 5% fat so I'm sure if they're that good for me.

I've certainly been a little lazy on the bananas recently but hopefully I can find a good source and stock up. It's hard to find good sweet fruit. I was eating tons of strawberries but now the QLD season has passed I need to find something else.

I don't have a super blender but it's on the list of things to buy.

I find the less fat I eat the more hungry I am but I think that's just to do with digestion not being stalled due to my liver saying "whoah, too much fat stop eating while I process it all".
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Hey JB,
I'm just trying to get my head around your stance on fat? I'm not trying to pull any fast ones over you or anything, i'm just trying to figure out your angle on what should be avoided and why? The part that made me wonder was above where you mentioned your concerns about fat in the wedges you were eating? Is it just a gut feel going by how you might feel when you're conscious of having eaten something fatty?
 
Nickos66 said:
Hey JB,
I'm just trying to get my head around your stance on fat? I'm not trying to pull any fast ones over you or anything, i'm just trying to figure out your angle on what should be avoided and why? The part that made me wonder was above where you mentioned your concerns about fat in the wedges you were eating? Is it just a gut feel going by how you might feel when you're conscious of having eaten something fatty?
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Heart problems, liver problems. Slow digestion. All things that have been linked to eating too much fat.

When you eat high carb it's not good to eat too much fat. Doesn't matter which side of the health debate you are on it is agreed that 50/50 fat carb diets are the worst of all.
 
This is the sauce for those wondering.

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I'd rather eat this type of processed food than a burger or a meat pie.
 
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