Luenberger a risk?

[marcmurphy3]

I just been thinking that there are a number of big risks involved in taking Luenberger over Gibbs.

Firstly Luenberger still needs to put on another 15 kg to be able to be first ruck at AFL level. Could this extra weight make him lose much of the agility that he has been renowned for?

Also it is highly unlikely that he will be able to make much of an impact at AFL level next year. Ruck is the most physically demanding position on the field and he simply won't be big enough to handle first ruck next season which is what we really need.

He hasn't really even been outstanding in the WAFL yet and the AFL is a big step up. He has averaged 14 hitouts and 6 disposals a game opposed to Gibbs who has averaged 20 possesions and a goal a game in the SANFL. Yes I know big guys take longer to develop but can our club really wait this long.

To be honest Carlton can't afford to use their no.1 draft pick on someone who probably won't have much of an impact next season. Another poor season will see the end of Paigan and a number of club officials and we may even lose a number of young guns in the turmoil.

At this point Luenberger has shown a lot of potential but Gibbs has really performed well in Senior football oppossed to Colts where the standard is much lower.

In conclusion Gibbs is a much safer bet and is definately the one we should take if he is deemed the best player which I believe he is. He will be able to perform well at AFL level next year and will really help out our troubled midfield. He is a player we could really regret not taking if he becomes a star because he was the obvious choice in the first place. We should still take a young ruckman like Renouf though even if we do take Gibbs.

If the club believes Luenberger is the best and take him they should do so taking the following things into consideration:

1. Luenberger will not solve our current ruck problem as he won't be able to handle first ruck next year. He will be a developing young ruckman.

2. Luenberger still has to fill out a lot so there is a chance some of his attributes may change.

3. Luenberger won't be able to make that much of an impact next year.

Lastly the club should also realise that it is best to take the best player as our midfield needs just as much work if not more than our ruck division. We have got hammered out of the middle numerous times this year even when French has performed well.

So what are your thoughts on all of this?

 

[mini_me316]

Gibbs isn't built like a brick ****house either.
Gibbs would still need to put on about 5-10kg before he would be able to match it completly with the players in the AFL.

There is always risk with any pick a team makes thats why its so damn interesting.

 

[Hawaii 5 0]

Gibbs isn't built like a brick ****house either.
Gibbs would still need to put on about 5-10kg before he would be able to match it completly with the players in the AFL.

There is always risk with any pick a team makes thats why its so damn interesting.

I'm tipping you thought Murphy and even Deleidio matched it in their debut years even with undersized bodies. However far more demanding on a ruckman with clashes and wrestling. Need the weight, that's why talls need time to develop.

 

[mark73]

No, no and no.The bloke is going to be a superstar of the competition, and quickly.If you like Cox, think of him but with more natural ability.However, its a defunct argument because Carlton will take Gibbs who will also be a superstar.Alternatively, it would depend a lot on what the recruiting staff see as the immediate need.But I would be seriously flabbergasted if they didn't take Gibbs.

 

[RiCHii]

CARLTON WILL TAKE GIBBS , they must take gibbs .. and you are right if carlton do take leunberger he will have to but on ATLEAST 15 - 20 kg looking at his picture in the Herald Sun , he looks like a match stick if carlton put him in first match straight into the ruck it would be like a comedy movie ..

 

[Jeremias]

Carlton will not take Leuenberger unless we get another pick high enough for him, which is highly unlikely.

Not only is he a big risk to take, we need Gibbs more than Leuenberger.

 

[Effes]

Where's Pafloyul?

 

[marcmurphy3]

Carlton will not take Leuenberger unless we get another pick high enough for him, which is highly unlikely.

Not only is he a big risk to take, we need Gibbs more than Leuenberger.

Agree. I'm sick of people saying we need ruckman more than midfielders. We are in desperate need of a skilled mid with good decision making.

 

[*VInSaiN*]

Gibbs for me. It is a fact that ruckman dont mature till their mid 20's. Take Gibbs and try to pull of a trade for someone like Moran. North have too many talls as is and might be willing to offload a few.

 

[Effes]

Agree. I'm sick of people saying we need ruckman more than midfielders. We are in desperate need of a skilled mid with good decision making.

We are in need of gun players. Doesn't matter about position. We have so many holes all over the ground

And you don't want us to pick the burger cos he might not play many games next year? What a stupid comment to make. You pick them for the next decade, not to make sure they play a few games in their first year.

 

[Melbdave81]

We are in need of gun players. Doesn't matter about position. We have so many holes all over the ground

And you don't want us to pick the burger cos he might not play many games next year? What a stupid comment to make. You pick them for the next decade, not to make sure they play a few games in their first year.

And Gibbs wont play for the next decade? We pick the best player in the draft which is Gibbs, not a tough decision at all!

 

[Effes]

And Gibbs wont play for the next decade? We pick the best player in the draft which is Gibbs, not a tough decision at all!

What I'm saying is that he doesn't want us picking Leunberger because he won't be ready to play straight away next year. That shouldn't matter.

Whoever said Gibbs won't play for the next decade?

What is it about Gibbs that makes him the best available? The hype on internet message boards? If the recruiters think he is the best then I'll support them.

 

[sput1956]

Gibbs for me. It is a fact that ruckman dont mature till their mid 20's.

Leuenberger is an absolute gun and would not be a risk as you could play him off the bench from round 1 if you combined him with a harder bodied senior ruckman for a couple years (Gardiner?). You would then have the best ruckman in the comp, whilst you would not necessarily have the best midfielder in the comp. with Gibbs. It's all academic anyhow as I think you will cave in to public pressure and go with Gibbs.

Take Gibbs and try to pull of a trade for someone like Moran. North have too many talls as is and might be willing to offload a few.

If we pick up Leuenberger as is rumored then that could very well happen.

The only problem is that any of our talls are going to cost you one of your top 10 players or a minimal late first rounder/s. Hale is out of the picture as he is worth more than picks 17& 19, Picks 17 & 19 could secure McIntosh or pick 19 alone for Moran. Moran is probably over the odds but he is worth more than pick 35.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Posted this on another thread - anyone know much about Shaun Hampson .. would he be worth a look in ?

 

[Melbdave81]

Totally agree with you mate, it shouldnt matter but it does as we suck at the moment.

It terms of Gibbs not being the best, it has been stated by managers, media, football clubs and Kevin Sheehan that Gibbs is the best player in the draft this year, good enough for me. I would think that any guy who can rack up 37 touches and kick 6 goals in a game (at 17 playing against men) and average around the 30 touch mark all year would be a pretty good number 1 pick.

Murphy, Walker, Gibbs and Simpson in the middle sounds pretty damn good to me. Big blokes will always be available later in the draft and we still need to wait and see what we can pick up in trade week. Gibbs all the way for me

 

[Melbdave81]

The only problem is that any of our talls are going to cost you one of your top 10 players or a minimal late first rounder/s. Hale is out of the picture as he is worth more than picks 17& 19, Picks 17 & 19 could secure McIntosh or pick 19 alone for Moran. Moran is probably over the odds but he is worth more than pick 35.[/quote]

You are joking arent you. Pick 17 & 19 for McIntosh, haha! We arent you, we wont be giving up HIGH draft picks for good ordinary players like you guys did with Hawthorn

 

[HBF]

Posted this on another thread - anyone know much about Shaun Hampson .. would he be worth a look in ?

Gilly1972 would be the man to ask about Hampson. I haven't seen enough of him to really know what i'm talking about.

 

[marcmurphy3]

What I'm saying is that he doesn't want us picking Leunberger because he won't be ready to play straight away next year

That's not true at all but it does contribute to the decision. I just don't want them picking Luenberger just because he's a ruckman as he won't be able to ruck much next year anyway. He does not solve our current problem.

 

[*VInSaiN*]

Leuenberger is an absolute gun and would not be a risk as you could play him off the bench from round 1 if you combined him with a harder bodied senior ruckman for a couple years (Gardiner?). You would then have the best ruckman in the comp, whilst you would not necessarily have the best midfielder in the comp. with Gibbs. It's all academic anyhow as I think you will cave in to public pressure and go with Gibbs.



If we pick up Leuenberger as is rumored then that could very well happen.

The only problem is that any of our talls are going to cost you one of your top 10 players or a minimal late first rounder/s. Hale is out of the picture as he is worth more than picks 17& 19, Picks 17 & 19 could secure McIntosh or pick 19 alone for Moran. Moran is probably over the odds but he is worth more than pick 35.

The only problem is we have no ruck at the moment and we cant trade off pick 19 as it is a priority pick.
No doubt Leuenberger will be a gun but we need a ruckman and we need one NOW.

 

[HBF]

If we pick up Leuenberger as is rumored then that could very well happen.

Can't imagine the roos taking Leuenberger with the ruckman they already have. My tip is that he'll end up at Essendon or Hawthorn.

 

[*VInSaiN*]

Think the situation we're in it might be worth taking he punt on Gardiner through the PSD

 

[sput1956]

You are joking arent you. Pick 17 & 19 for McIntosh, haha! We arent you, we wont be giving up HIGH draft picks for good ordinary players like you guys did with Hawthorn

McIntosh is a number 9 draft pick with 3 good years of developement in him. he is going to blossom next year, so if you think that pick 17 alone would get him then you are being delusional. Many North fans regard him a better tap ruckman than Hale.

 

[sput1956]

Can't imagine the roos taking Leuenberger with the ruckman they already have. My tip is that he'll end up at Essendon or Hawthorn.

Essendon may indeed snap him up but the strong mail from scottywiper on the North board (a journo with connections) is that North are going to grab him. I will be astounded if he lasts until hawthorns pick 6.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Think the situation we're in it might be worth taking he punt on Gardiner through the PSD

I think we should take Gardiner but we won't. There probably aren't many better options in the PSD. Go on the WAFL website and look at his stats. They are pretty impressive. He would solve a lot of these problems we're talking about in relation to having no first ruck for next year. He could ruck while our younger big men develop. No kid we draft this year will be able to handle first ruck for a few years.

Does anyone think there's any chance of us taking Gardiner?

 

[Effes]

He didn't even ruck at the centre bounces in the WAFL.

Thankfully Smorgon has ruled out recruiting him to the club.